Dewill666
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#1
I was going to post in the existing thread, but haven't found it...

What do you expect from live shows? What is important to you? Rate live performance ( 0- 10) ! Feel free to post videos and comment what exactly you like and don't like...

Here's the first example!

What do you think about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H6wVbq4hEE

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Last edited by Dewill666 at Mar 26, 2013,
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I expect to enjoy it. Basically.

It all depends on different factors. If I go to see Rammstein, I expect simple but effective songs with some insane pyro and lighting as well.

If I go to see Opeth, I expect the perfection of all the songs to stand out as I would expect them on the album.

I haven't yet been to a bad gig and I've been to many bands that I like and ones my Dad likes. Sometimes, I enjoy my dads bands live over my own because some just turned out to be terrible live.

Was looking forward to seeing Testament with Judas Priest a few years ago. They sucked arse. Majorly. Sounded crap live and the singer did nothing but air guitar with his mic stand. I then saw ZZ Top whom my Dad wanted to see and absolutely loved them.
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I'm finding myself increasingly apathetic towards live music. Last year I can count on two fingers the number of bands who stood out to me (Falloch and Old Corpse Road). Even bands I adore who I saw were just ok, but better or record.
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I'm finding myself increasingly apathetic towards live music. Last year I can count on two fingers the number of bands who stood out to me (Falloch and Old Corpse Road). Even bands I adore who I saw were just ok, but better or record.


Black metal's a recorded form, really. Seen plenty who are good but only a few that really stand out, and most of the time those aren't the ones with the best albums (see: Watain)
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Uni's pretty much eaten my social life, plus I've been less and less tolerant of large crowds,.. or any crowds. But the last gig I've been to actually restored some of the enthusiasm. The Black Conjuration lineup at an Adelaide gig, namely:

Oath of Damnation (missed them, never heard them before, so can't really say)

Intellect Devourer (good, solid old-school death metal. not original, really, they just play straight up DM, but with lots of conviction and drive, so it's still enjoyable to listen to)

Rote Mare (essentially the same as ID, but a trad. doom band instead. You could hear bits and pieces of every patch the band members were wearing, basically, hahah... Good band, but again didn't step beyond the perimeter of "solid performance")

Innsmouth - good band but wasn't able to watch all of their set

Mournful Congregation - now this is where things started to get genuinely interesting. The live lineup, for those who haven't had the pleasure of seeing them perform - is three guitarists, bassist and a drummer; mind you, without any typical "atmospheric" instrumental inserts, these guys manage to construct a completely different world around you. There isn't much movement going on stage, yet the presence is overwhelming and for some time you can forget you're standing on a sticky floor with beer glasses bouncing around your feet, and just immerse yourself in the soundscapes. Much heavier than on record, and the tension build up and release from the harmonic interplay between the three guitars has lots more space to breathe, hence has far greater impact.

Inverloch - essentially a transmutation of the old dISEMBOWELMENT, earthy and bleak. Just as much presence as MC had, but the atmosphere they evoke is something more of a graveyard vibe. Absolutely crushing sound, phenomenal musicianship, and some really weird facial expressions on behalf of the bassist... couldn't decide whether he was just taking the piss, having fun or it was something from the depths of his own black black soul :P

And to close off the night, Portal played what is probably one of their strongest sets. A truly suffocating, relentless barrage of dissonance and ugly music, it draws you in like a whirlpool or a swamp, but by the time they're done, your mind has completely disintegrated.

A bit dramatic for a recount, but I figured I'd mention some of the impressions. On topic, I can highlight very high level of musicianship from all bands, and an experience that went beyond a simple music performance for the three acts in the second half. Certainly a gig of a high caliber that I haven't had a chance to witness in a while, - but as far as expectations go, it's exactly what I'd like to get from a live show.

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Inverloch - essentially a transmutation of the old dISEMBOWELMENT, earthy and bleak. Just as much presence as MC had, but the atmosphere they evoke is something more of a graveyard vibe. Absolutely crushing sound, phenomenal musicianship, and some really weird facial expressions on behalf of the bassist... couldn't decide whether he was just taking the piss, having fun or it was something from the depths of his own black black soul :P


Mmm I love the way they captured the room when I saw them. They you feel like the stage is the only thing that exists
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Mmm I love the way they captured the room when I saw them. They you feel like the stage is the only thing that exists


Indeed - that is essentially what I could say about all three bands I mentioned, and certainly true in regards to Inverloch. You forget about everything else around you.

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Have they officially retired Transcendence now? I think I saw one of their last shows doing those songs...I feel very very lucky.
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Not really man, at least at the Adelaide show we got The tree of life and death, and excoriate... don't know what their long term plans are but it's still in the set for now.

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They are pretty special. Such a powerful wall of sound considering there's only 5 of them, Alan as such a commanding stage presence. I'm sure I mentioned it before, but despite Alan's voice going they still managed to be one of the best bands at the festival when they were at bloodstock despite being instrumental for most of the set.
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I definitely don't expect this anyway - Deicide with Glen refusing to sing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfVrbTMDOtA
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Just got my tickets for the Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax, Sabaton, Overkill show. It'll be my second time seeing all those bands, except for Sabaton. Never seen them before. If I had to rank the shows for the ones I've already seen it would go:

Iron Maiden
Anthrax
Overkill
Megadeth
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So, people are posting "that was a great performance!" or "I'd rate them top out of the ones I've seen"... But what made that performance actually worth while for you lot?

A live performance is a certain translation of the energy of the songs themselves, and the band's energy at a given time. If the band's sick or exhausted from touring, the music probably still sounds good, but the show feels flat... Some shows you watch and they just feel ordinary, where as others compel you to charge up the front and exhaust every ounce of energy in the pit, or whatever...

Secondly, the musicianship of the band is pretty much on open display, so there's something else to pay attention to. Thirdly, when you see someone perform for a first time, especially if you've listened to their music for a long time, and it carries more than a surface meaning - seeing the band perform can be a life changing experience; and so on.

So, - for those that posted or were going to post, - why were these shows so good?

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I was going to post, but now you're making me answer questions and I don't feel like it.


But as far as live shows go, it's all about energy for me. Manilla Road, Midnight and Venom were easily some of the most energetic acts going. For what little Manilla Road did for theatrics, they made up in content alone, absolutely amazing performance. Not even a hiccup, nothing.

Midnight were just intensity incarnate, they have that great punk vibe on stage but they mix it with the crudeness and blatant forcefulness of early metal acts. People doing their whole moshing thing or whatever it's called were going absolutely nuts when they played You Can't Stop Steel, and I can't really blame them.

Venom were just one of those bands that brought experience with on stage, and that's about it. They were late and then complained that they weren't allowed to do anymore songs because they took twenty minutes for their fog machines.

They were Venom on stage though, a heavily endearing act that doesn't let how obviously old they are, get in the way of their playing. True metal act if you ask me, if not a little fussy.

Agalloch were great too. There was actually a lot of Agalloch material I hadn't heard, and Andrew (Riffmast) kept naming the songs and I just stood there like a total ******, but it's like being caught between the folk aspect, and the metal aspect of their music. They played it off beautifully, at least Don Anderson did. The guy is a showman and has precise playing.

I really find a lot of good aspects about bands on stage. Grand Magus definitely weren't that interesting, however. Didn't even play Iron Will. Solid performance, but lacked delivery.

I love Iron Will. Why didn't they just play it so I could leave and get a beer after it's done.
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#23
Suffocation and Napalm Death are two of the best live acts I've seen personally. Great front men with a lot of energy all around. Maybe throw Converge in there too.
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#24
Beyond a good performance, I think a factor that elevate a show from great to completely amazing can be the external factors. The venue plays a huge part, obviously acoustically but also the ambiance. I have seen some outdoor shows where the setting elevates the performance to another level. And indoor shows can be improved or otherwise by the venue. Some times everything just seems to conspire to make the show a bit more magical.
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Quote by Emenius Sleepus
So, people are posting "that was a great performance!" or "I'd rate them top out of the ones I've seen"... But what made that performance actually worth while for you lot?

A live performance is a certain translation of the energy of the songs themselves, and the band's energy at a given time. If the band's sick or exhausted from touring, the music probably still sounds good, but the show feels flat... Some shows you watch and they just feel ordinary, where as others compel you to charge up the front and exhaust every ounce of energy in the pit, or whatever...

Secondly, the musicianship of the band is pretty much on open display, so there's something else to pay attention to. Thirdly, when you see someone perform for a first time, especially if you've listened to their music for a long time, and it carries more than a surface meaning - seeing the band perform can be a life changing experience; and so on.

So, - for those that posted or were going to post, - why were these shows so good?



The best shows definitely have an element of Serendipity about them. Argus live last year was probably one of the greatest performances I've seen on these shores. It was a perfect mix of all aspects of what I love about gigs - the crowd was drunken and many, the band were excited to play Ireland for the first time, and they had been visiting Irish rock bars and various sites of Thin Lizzy memorabilia for the day.

The musicianship and vocals obviously were killer, but the main thing I take away from that gig is that Argus had been humbled to have Irish promoters have them over for gigs, and the reception from the crowd egged them on further. Finishing with a cover of 'Black Rose' was the icing on the cake!

And then some bands like GOTH or Destroyer 666 simply live for playing metal - and this shows through each every time they play. They're the type of bands that can inject energy into a lacklustre crowd without fail, from pure passion (and great songwriting too).
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Energy. The band doesn't need to roam around and go nuts, but that definitely helps. Havok puts on a killer show and they hardly move, but it's obvious they're into it and have energy. Diamond Plate was a huge surpriser for me in this regard, both times I've seen them they were among the best bands on the bill. They enjoy themselves, and if they are, I am.
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#28
When I was a youngling I saw Children of Bodom live, they were pretty dissapointing. They're the sort of band that tries to entertain people with pretending to be drunk all the time and treating the word 'Fuck' as if they're 10 year olds who have just discovered the word for the first time. I really used to love them back in the day but once I saw them live I was kinda put off them forever. I sorta saw them headline bloodstock too (lost interest) it was the same story but on a larger scale, it just seems so forced.

So yeah I think forced/ungenuine performances are the worst. You really need to be genuine to put on a good show if you ask me.

Saw Gojira at that same festival and they blew me away how good they were. They had the right energy, the right setlist, nothing forced about them! Just authentic metal right there!
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I know I already posted here, but I've re-thought my opinion.

A live show is all about chemistry. Chemistry within the band, with the band and the audience, with the music and the lights, etc.

Call it chemistry, atmosphere, whatever, everything in a live concert is about the complete package. The setting, the lighting, the sound, the crowd, the band.

The best live band can be ruined by a horrible sound guy, or a shitty crowd, and a shit band can be a huge blast to watch if the crowd and sound guy are on the ball.

The true skill of a live band is to adapt and do what they can to get the energy flowing in all aspects of a live show. They do what they can to get the crowd going, they do what they can to get the feeling of the entire environment just right to turn the concert into an awesome EXPERIENCE.

That's what a good live show is.