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What is the sonic/tonal/quality difference between, say, the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 and the Vypyr 75 (the 2 amps I'm looking at)?

I'm not very experienced with tube amps, but the Vypyr Tube amps have tubes in the post-gain section, correct? What exactly does this do for the sound compared to the non-tube counterparts?

I've tried the Vypyr 75 in a store recently and it sounds pretty good to my ears, and have tried the Tube 60 and Tube 120 in a store also (though almost a year ago so I can't make a proper comparison). The main difference I noted is that the Vypyr 75 has more bass at lower/bedroom volumes...am I right here?

I just want to know, essentially, if the significantly extra money for the Vypyr Tube 60 over the Vypyr 75 would be worth it, and what sonic/tonal benefits would I get for the extra $$?
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its def worth it. vypyr tube the best budget tube amp in the world. watch some videos on youtube.
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YouTube videos can't tell you anything. Even when you know how the audio was recorded (and you rarely do) the sound gets recorded, processed, compressed, mixed with the video, compressed again, uploaded, compressed again, streamed to you and played out through whatever computer speakers or headphones you have. It renders sound clips utterly useless.

As for the subject, there's only much of a difference when turning the amp up loud. Even then, it's minimal. When you make a jump from a truly shit amp like a Spider IV to its valve big brother, you notice a huge rise in quality. With the Vypyrs, the regular one already sounds a little better and the valve version isn't such a huge leap.

Is it better? Yes, for most people. Is it a gigantic improvement? No. Is it worth the jump in price point? Depends what you need and what you value.
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I think that the Tube has a much warmer midrange, especially once you start playing it at louder volumes.

Turned down, I wouldn't say the difference is super significant, and depending on the volume I doubt you would here one, but I haven't done the extensive testing to definitely say that.
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If you are doing more than playing with yourself in your bedroom, buy the Tube.
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I think that the Tube has a much warmer midrange, especially once you start playing it at louder volumes.

Turned down, I wouldn't say the difference is super significant, and depending on the volume I doubt you would here one, but I haven't done the extensive testing to definitely say that.

This.

I find the regular Vypyrs a bit shrill but still great for what they are. I waited a year for the tube Vypyrs to come out and thought the tube power section made a big difference. Warmed that amp right up. At higher volumes it may seem a bit looser to some or saggier but I personally like that kind of ebb and flow. Even with that the Diezel model is tight as **** and the Recto model is even tighter. That and the fact that the tubed Vypyrs basically have 6505+ power section.

Therefore, I do not consider it a minimal change. I bought my Vypyr 60 for $315 used at Guitar Center and I've seen them as low as $250. They sound good at low volumes too. Call me full of shit - I don't care.
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311, you are so full of shit.



Seriously though, they're both very good. I would say the 60 is better to my own ears but if someone said they sound different instead of one being better, I wouldn't argue. The Vypyrs are pretty F'n awesome. It's a shame they didn't give them an FX loop because then they'd be WTFPWN.
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If you are doing more than playing with yourself in your bedroom, buy the Tube.


Why exactly is this? btw I plan on using it for both bedroom practice and jamming with a band.
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I also want to get a few pedals, like a Zvex Fuzz Factory and a Big Muff Fuzz (along with using the various delays and reverbs on my multi-effects processor), maybe even an EQ pedal to push the bass more on the Vypyr. Would the Vypyr's handle these effects well given there is no effects-loop?
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The Vyper Tube has a 6505 power amp. If you are in a band that is well worth it's weight in yak fat. At drummer levels it's chalk and cheese.
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If you are in a band that is well worth it's weight in yak fat. At drummer levels it's chalk and cheese.


No idea what you're saying here, LOL.
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At drummer volumes the Vyper Tube 60 will sound massively better than a Vyper 75.
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The Vyper Tube has a 6505 power amp. If you are in a band that is well worth it's weight in yak fat. At drummer levels it's chalk and cheese.


Cath, stop speaking Australian, you're confusing people
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I also want to get a few pedals, like a Zvex Fuzz Factory and a Big Muff Fuzz (along with using the various delays and reverbs on my multi-effects processor), maybe even an EQ pedal to push the bass more on the Vypyr. Would the Vypyr's handle these effects well given there is no effects-loop?

I think the Vypyr handles pedal very well up in front of the amp if you ask me. I did a little demo with a delay/phaser/wah in my profile.
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At drummer volumes the Vyper Tube 60 will sound massively better than a Vyper 75.


Why? Is this in your personal experience? Or are you guessing?
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One is an oversized practice amp and the other is the power amp out of the 6505. Isn't it obvious?
I have heard them but really, I didn't have to - the Tube has a 6505 power amp. Do the math.
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Because competing with a drummer with a 75W solid state is like pissing in the ocean. With the tube you actually will hear yourself, as will the rest if the band
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Because competing with a drummer with a 75W solid state is like pissing in the ocean. With the tube you actually will hear yourself, as will the rest if the band


What about the 2x12, 100 watt solid-state Vypyr?
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What about the 2x12, 100 watt solid-state Vypyr?


Let's simplify this.

Do what you want.

You've been given advice, it's up to you to either follow or ignore it.
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Let's simplify this.

Do what you want.

You've been given advice, it's up to you to either follow or ignore it.


I can't ask questions about the advice? Geez bro get off your period.
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The 100W is just an even bigger practice amp. The Tube has a power amp used by pros the world over. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
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The tube will comfortably compete with a drummer; the solid state, even the 212, will not.

End of story, if you want to play with a drummer you need the tube.

Buy the Tube 60 combo, GC have them new at $380, used at $300, and CL may offer some even cheaper prices but no returns policy
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311 has some decent demos, it's true.

However I don't really like the delays in front of the Vypyr's dirty models. That's something you need to try for yourself.
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The 100W is just an even bigger practice amp. The Tube has a power amp used by pros the world over. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?


Okay got it. Thanks to yours and everyone's advice in this thread, it's appreciated.
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Personally, I'd go for for the 120 - but my drummer is very loud. That's a real, full blown 6505 power amp, not the baby 6505. The 60 is still good but I'd want the extra headroom for when I'm playing clean.
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Because competing with a drummer with a 75W solid state is like pissing in the ocean. With the tube you actually will hear yourself, as will the rest if the band


Have owned 75W Vypyr, can confirm.

Although I can and do play with a drummer with my Vypyr, I have trouble believing it's a 6505 power amp. I've owned a 5150, own a JSX now... my JSX easily drowns out my Vypyr. And the 5150 I had was one of the loudest, most gut rattling amp I've ever come into contact with. I'm not sure how much the preamp contributes in conjunction with the power amp, but it's definitely not ****ing ball massaging like a real 5150/6505 is.

Though the discrepancies are pretty moot - as I said, I can and do play my Vypyr 120H with a drummer.
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Let's simplify this.

Do what you want.

You've been given advice, it's up to you to either follow or ignore it.

Or maybe he doesn't understand what a 6505power amp is, and is asking for it to be explained.
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The 100W is just an even bigger practice amp. The Tube has a power amp used by pros the world over. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?


Jesus Christ, what is about Peavey Vypyr 60's that turn some people into touchy bitches?

Did you ever stop and think that he has no idea what a 6505 power amp is and needed it explained, not having isn't it obvious repeated to him?

Normally you are a helpful guy Cath, not in this thread. Go chase some kids off your lawn or something :p
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Have owned 75W Vypyr, can confirm.

Although I can and do play with a drummer with my Vypyr, I have trouble believing it's a 6505 power amp. I've owned a 5150, own a JSX now... my JSX easily drowns out my Vypyr. And the 5150 I had was one of the loudest, most gut rattling amp I've ever come into contact with. I'm not sure how much the preamp contributes in conjunction with the power amp, but it's definitely not ****ing ball massaging like a real 5150/6505 is.

Though the discrepancies are pretty moot - as I said, I can and do play my Vypyr 120H with a drummer.


Speaker differences perhaps?


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Or maybe he doesn't understand what a 6505power amp is, and is asking for it to be explained.


Then maybe you should explain it instead of ragging on Cath and myself?

His posts were argumentative, my response stands.
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His posts were argumentative, my response stands.


My posts they were mostly questioning whether people who responded were basing their opinion of personal experience of the two amps (SS vs hybrid tube 60) or simply guessing or using hearsay. With guitar gear I find there are a lot of opinions based on guesses or on what they've heard other people say rather than actual experience. I was just trying to get clarification.
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My posts they were mostly questioning whether people who responded were basing their opinion of personal experience of the two amps (SS vs hybrid tube 60) or simply guessing or using hearsay. With guitar gear I find there are a lot of opinions based on guesses or on what they've heard other people say rather than actual experience. I was just trying to get clarification.


Fair enough, it didn't come across that way to me but if that was your intent then my bad.

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Speaker differences perhaps?


Then maybe you should explain it instead of ragging on Cath and myself?

His posts were argumentative, my response stands.


That's ragging? Going to need a thicker skin kid, life's going to be rough if that is ragging. Again, what is about this amp that attracts such sensitive souls.

I didn't answer it because I am not sure myself. But I didn't keep saying it's obvious over and over when it clearly wasn't to the asker.

Sorry if this is "ragging"
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That's ragging? Going to need a thicker skin kid, life's going to be rough if that is ragging. Again, what is about this amp that attracts such sensitive souls.

I didn't answer it because I am not sure myself. But I didn't keep saying it's obvious over and over when it clearly wasn't to the asker.

Sorry if this is "ragging"


Wow. This post really contributed...


Offworld- keep in mind yours is a 60. It would be base off of the 6505 112. Might have a different volume taper as well. Could explain a little. Maybe later I'll see what I can dig up as far as the schematics go.
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It was straightforward answer and a simple google of 6505 would have clarified it. He wasn't offended so what's your beef? **** off and get off my lawn, precious.
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That's ragging? Going to need a thicker skin kid, life's going to be rough if that is ragging. Again, what is about this amp that attracts such sensitive souls.

I didn't answer it because I am not sure myself. But I didn't keep saying it's obvious over and over when it clearly wasn't to the asker.

Sorry if this is "ragging"


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Been a while since anybody's called you a kid, huh?
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Been a while since anybody's called you a kid, huh?


Longer than I want to admit!

Doesn't matter, shows me the character of the respondent for future reference.
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