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#41
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But what if Obama pulls a NDAA on us and signs it while telling us that he's doing it reluctantly.


Then in true NDAA fashion, everyone will make a huge deal out of nothing and proceed to dramatically misinterpret a simple piece of legislature.

But lawl, I don't know much about this CISPA thing.
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#42
Quote by Eastwinn
most of you will have inadvertently (or not lol) downloaded child porn at one point

i feel like most of us haven't.
#43
For the people OK with the bill...the real problem here is that there is no need for a reason behind the transfer of information. There was an amendment that would have required a warrant, but it was trashed...this is basically staring into the eyes of 1984.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this week has shown me that the government has forgotten that they are elected and represent us. They are not predestined or entitled to anything. They are our voice, and they are clearly not listening to we the people. This is a broken system staring down the barrel of complete foregoing of rights.

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EDIT:
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it sounds all nice and perfect on paper, but everything about it, including its goals, are gonna get lost in translation to reality.


Exactly...there are no safeguards. It proposes to do one thing, but in essence can be (ab)used in myriad ways.
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#44
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For the people OK with the bill...the real problem here is that there is no need for a reason behind the transfer of information. There was an amendment that would have required a warrant, but it was trashed...this is basically staring into the eyes of 1984.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this week has shown me that the government has forgotten that they are elected and represent us. They are not predestined or entitled to anything. They are our voice, and they are clearly not listening to we the people. This is a broken system staring down the barrel of complete foregoing of rights.

Ministry of Culture soon to be established...

EDIT:


Exactly...there are no safeguards. It proposes to do one thing, but in essence can be (ab)used in myriad ways.

You're going to be called a right wing nutjob gun crazy Alex Jones conspiracy theorist insane person. Calling it now.
I agree with you fully, by the way.


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#45
It's funny because I'd say I'm more left than right, but I see both sides on different issues...I'm for gun control for example. It's just...you get too close to that boundary line that separates mainstream media-fed knowledge and individual thought and your called a conspiracy theorist these days
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#46
Quote by FoolOnThePlanet

Exactly...there are no safeguards. It proposes to do one thing, but in essence can be (ab)used in myriad ways.

So can search warrants. So can arrests. So can pretty much everything involved in the legal system. Just because some kids on the internet told you that people could go to jail for looking at porn doesn't mean that you should actually listen to them, because the chances are that they heard it from some other internet kids, who heard it from some other internet kids, who heard it from some guy who lightly skimmed the bill and saw the word internet and saw a chance to get his shitty blog a whole lot of views with some keyboard warrior controversy. Honestly, I'm pretty sure I'm probably the only person on this forum who's actually read the bill and it's absolutely nothing to get riled up about. Any of you can feel free to disagree but I'm going to continue trolling and not getting into a real discussion until one of you actually reads it.
#47
I'm not worried. I know that the government is more than likely not going to waste time randomly searching histories and stuff of random ass people on the off chance that they are doing something illegal.

But the facts stand. I have enough knowledge on the topic, so I'm not gonna engage in a debate over it...if you're all for living under the watchful eye have fun, I just don't understand the logic in allowing legislation like this to even exist in which it is clearly a willful handing over of freedoms.
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#48
apart from it's actually not wilfully handing over freedoms. you'd be doing yourself a great favor by actually finding out what the bill says.
#49
Quote by FoolOnThePlanet
I'm not worried. I know that the government is more than likely not going to waste time randomly searching histories and stuff of random ass people on the off chance that they are doing something illegal.

But the facts stand. I have enough knowledge on the topic, so I'm not gonna engage in a debate over it...if you're all for living under the watchful eye have fun, I just don't understand the logic in allowing legislation like this to even exist in which it is clearly a willful handing over of freedoms.


Isn't not debating a topic that you feel will severely limit one's rights and you also claim to "have enough knowledge about" counter-productive to your entire point?

Also, I'm reading the recent revision of the bill in full, so I'll have an opinion on it once I'm done.

Read it EDIT: Well, that's nowhere near as bad as people are claiming it is. It doesn't seem like it will really do anything, to be honest. It also feels like the bill is aimed at child trafficking that is set up through online means. I'm not use to reading bills, though, so everyone should give it a good read. Here's what I read:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr3523rfs/pdf/BILLS-112hr3523rfs.pdf
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#50
Read the bill.

(1) IN GENERAL-
(A) CYBERSECURITY PROVIDERS - Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a cybersecurity provider, with the express consent of a protected entity for which such cybersecurity provider is providing goods or services for cybersecurity purposes may, for cybersecurity purposes-
(i) use cybersecurity systems to identify and obtain cyber threat information to protect the rights and property of such protected entity; and
(ii) share such cyber thread information with any other entity designated by such protected entity, including, if specifically designated, the Federal Government.
(B) SELF-PROTECTED ENTITIES - Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a self-protected entity may, for cybersecurity purposes-
(i) use cybersecurity systems to identify and obtain cyber thread information to protect the rights and property of such self-protected identity, and
(ii) share such cyber threat information with any other entity, including the Federal Government.

There's obviously a lot more, and all of it is equally confusing to read. I'm picking this bit out because it tl;dr's my issue with it. Notwithstanding (Preposition - In spite of) any other law, (including the fourth amendment) a cybersecurity provider can see what you've been doing on the internet. And share it with other "protected entities" (which the bill defines, cba to go back and see what that refers to) and the Federal Government. I understand it's aimed at hackers, child pornography distributors, etc., but it still supersedes freedom from unwarranted search and seizure as guaranteed by the 4th amendment, more specifically the search part. I'm not okay with that.


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#51
yuo realize the boston bombing was to distract everyhone from this
SOPA failed because everyone fipped shit about it, this time they kept everyone occupied
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#52
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yuo realize the boston bombing was to distract everyhone from this
SOPA failed because everyone fipped shit about it, this time they kept everyone occupied

Yeah the reptilian Illuminati global Jewish banking conglomerates want to see what porn I watch. Alex Jones said so, duh!


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#53
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Yeah the reptilian Illuminati global Jewish banking conglomerates want to see what porn I watch. Alex Jones said so, duh!

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#55
Quote by Butt Rayge
Fixed.

It might not be permanently saved on you hard drive, but you even downloaded this page.

I was thinking more along the lines of media players.
#56
Quote by Morphogenesis26
Is that some sort of globalist code? ARE YOU APART OF THE GALACTIC FEDERATION!?



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#57
Quote by cho0onger
Read the bill.


There's obviously a lot more, and all of it is equally confusing to read. I'm picking this bit out because it tl;dr's my issue with it. Notwithstanding (Preposition - In spite of) any other law, (including the fourth amendment) a cybersecurity provider can see what you've been doing on the internet. And share it with other "protected entities" (which the bill defines, cba to go back and see what that refers to) and the Federal Government. I understand it's aimed at hackers, child pornography distributors, etc., but it still supersedes freedom from unwarranted search and seizure as guaranteed by the 4th amendment, more specifically the search part. I'm not okay with that.

Glad we have some discussion about to get down yeyeyeye

Ok, so CISPA is an act of congress aimed to be an amendment to Title XI of the National Security Act of 1947. Both the NSA and CISPA are acts of congress, which make them both statutes. This makes CISPA part of statutory law which is subordinate to a constitutional law (a la 4th amendment). Any provision inside of CISPA is subject to every article and amendment of the US constitution and no provision inside of CISPA has the power to over rule any constitutional law. "Notwithstanding any other law" only applies to statutory and all subsidiary functions of governance.
#58
Welp. I lose.


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#59
Quote by beefcake122
if you worked for the government I'd gladly comply and help in any way I can

If we're talking about the UK government, then we are talking about a government who are actively taking money from the vulnerable, via it's discriminatory crackdown on illness-related benefits, which they then give to the rich, via tax breaks. It's just like Robin Hood but in reverse. Seriously, why would you trust such a moraly deficient government?
#60
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Welp. I lose.

I actually did some research to make that look smarter.
#61
Well, I still take issue with it, albeit in a much more minor way if what you say is true. Beyond my previous gripes, it just strikes me as superfluous regulation.


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#62
C'est la vie. What would any modern government do if they couldn't churn out endless amounts of nitpicking and regulation?
#63
They could accurately represent their people, that might be fun to try once in a while.


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#64
They accurately represent some people. It'd be pretty hard to get an accurate representation of the people's views without a total overhaul tho, i think. You have your whole two party problem, which leads you to have one of the lowest voter turnouts in the first world (something like 60% I think. NZ and Aus have like 90-something), and the voters that do turnout are usually the ones that are just voting down party lines so why bother changing to meet your constituents if they're not even going to vote. Just play the tried and true method of getting your previous fans to continue voting for you.
#65
So Universal Background Checks, which are supported by 90% of the country, can't pass but this thing might? **** off, Congress.
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#66
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Like the government doesn't already know my name, how old I am, and where I live.

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#67
won't get out of the senate.
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#68
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won't get out of the senate.

Obama has promised to veto IIRC
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#69
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Obama has promised to veto IIRC

He has.
House has sent similar legislation to the senate twice before and it never even got to the floor for a vote. Same thing will happen again.
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#70
Surely the issue here is not that they can see what you're doing; they've always been able to do that. The issue is that they don't need a warrant, which rather injures the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' foundation of our legal system. 'Suspect until proven innocent' doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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#71
Quote by beefcake122
if you have nothing to hide what are you afraid of?

That's a slippery slope to slide down, my friend.

Hopefully it doesn't get through Senate, this time. If it does and Obama vetos I'm interested in if they'll override the veto or not.

Assuming it gets to him.
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