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Hey guys

I'm going to cut it short. I got less than one week to learn highway to hell solo. I've got it down in slow speed, but I need to be able to play it in full speed, in front of a audience in less than a week.

What advices do you guys have to tackle this problem?

Thanks in advance
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Go out and find cider vinegar, rub it on your hands before you learn the solo. This multiplies the effect of muscle memory and you should have the solo down within 15 minutes.

However, before you go to sleep tonight night you must shave the left side of your face otherwise the effects will wear off

Tomorrow practice the solo again for around 15 minutes without any cider vinegar, if it has worked you should be able to nail it!


If not.


Just keep practising it
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I actually don't know the highway to hell solo believe it or not. I'm one of the few people in this world who can't stand ACDC but anyways..

Depends how much faster the solo is compared to what you're used to.. If it's much faster than you're comfortable with then there's no way you'll be able to play it up to speed properly within a week. It's just not gonna happen. Sure you can take shortcuts, change some parts up a bit to make it easier on yourself which i wouldn't recommend anyways, but with the time you have if it's too beyond your abilities then i'd say there's no hope of you doing it justice in a week.
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Otherwise just play the **** out of the solo to a click track and don't be a pussy.


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Quote by mark.bark
Go out and find cider vinegar, rub it on your hands before you learn the solo. This multiplies the effect of muscle memory and you should have the solo down within 15 minutes.

However, before you go to sleep tonight night you must shave the left side of your face otherwise the effects will wear off

Tomorrow practice the solo again for around 15 minutes without any cider vinegar, if it has worked you should be able to nail it!


If not.


Just keep practising it


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Yeah i didnt think id nail it within a week but im going to give it a shot without shortcuts anyway.

But most efficient way is going slow until its good, then up the tempo and repeat right?
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put your fingers in your bum for 15 mins each

you'll be able to play anything fast then
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don't overpractice. if you feel like you're hitting a wall, come back to it in half an hour or something. spread out your practice sessions like this if possible.
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Doomball, ignore some of the comments above, they seem to have escaped from The Pit.

But when I want to learn something quickly, I just lock myself in a room I'm really comfortable being in. Then I concentrate on repeating the solo slowly, but flawlessly, certain number of times (I usually go in laps of 50). Try to repeat that as many times as you can.
You can also try to imagine some kind of abstract connection to the guitar, because it can make the practicing less boring.


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Keep practicing it at the fastest pace that you don't make any mistakes at, do this like 15 times then increase your tempo gradually till it becomes hard again, practice the crap out of it till you can play it perfectly another 15 times, rinse and repeat till you are at the desired tempo. I learned the solo from Whole Lotta Love in 5-6 days doing that, now it just feels natural.
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Thanks for the tips guys. I'll try practice it flawlessly until I'm ready to up the tempo.

Never practised bends that much, and this solo is killing me but anyhow, back to practice!
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Quote by Doomball
Thanks for the tips guys. I'll try practice it flawlessly until I'm ready to up the tempo.

Never practised bends that much, and this solo is killing me but anyhow, back to practice!


Don't worry about JUST being able to play it at the right tempo/speed... work on your bends. that's another thing that typically takes a while to get right. If you bend to the wrong note you can destroy an entire solo. There's alot of muscle memory in being able to bend to the right pitch all the time.
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Just go on YouTube and find a video that breaks it down for you. I'm sure some eight year old is out there with a vid for you to learn from.

I haven't heard the song in awhile, but its AC/DC, how difficult can it be?
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Ok, just watched it. It appears to be pretty simple in the key of A. Just some minor pentatonics played in a few different positions. My advice, seriously (and I know its difficult to take me serious sometimes), is to break it down into the three or four parts that make it up and work it out. Keep it simple, like Angus does. Good luck.
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yep, im currently having trouble with 3 or 4 locations (about 1 bar each) which im slowing down and practising. The rest is ok at the moment, but i think the shit will hit the fan once i go live :p

Thanks for the tips
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Try practicing it to a faster tempo than the recorded version. Yeah it'll sound like ass, but this method works fairly well. It's called "Pushing the Envelope". You need to get used to playing at quicker speeds and it's a great way to get a head start. Again, it'll sound like ass at first, but after you play it faster than normal for a bit, try going back to the normal temp again.
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You can totally learn an AC/DC solo in a week. Just practice consistently.

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Try practicing it to a faster tempo than the recorded version. Yeah it'll sound like ass, but this method works fairly well. It's called "Pushing the Envelope". You need to get used to playing at quicker speeds and it's a great way to get a head start. Again, it'll sound like ass at first, but after you play it faster than normal for a bit, try going back to the normal temp again.



That's actually great advice.
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Quote by RR24Metul
Try practicing it to a faster tempo than the recorded version. Yeah it'll sound like ass, but this method works fairly well. It's called "Pushing the Envelope". You need to get used to playing at quicker speeds and it's a great way to get a head start. Again, it'll sound like ass at first, but after you play it faster than normal for a bit, try going back to the normal temp again.

I honestly think that's crappy advice.

Speed is irrelevant here as it's not the issue. The issue is being able to play it correctly, and the only way you can do that is by starting slow and building gradually. Playing fast and incorrectly isn't going to benefit you in any way, it's just a waste of valuable practice time. You might think that's it' somehow made things easier but any percieved benefit is just a placebo effect.
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Regarding practising speed: I've seen some people say that staying on a very slow speed, without gradually increasing the speed, is a good way to learn. It sounds good for practising muscle memory, but would it not be hard to play it fast later on if that was the only way to practice?
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Regarding practising speed: I've seen some people say that staying on a very slow speed, without gradually increasing the speed, is a good way to learn. It sounds good for practising muscle memory, but would it not be hard to play it fast later on if that was the only way to practice?


Slow and fast are relative terms.Precision on the other hand isnt though....So practise as fast as you can but without making mistakes.The whole point is to not to send mixed signals to your nervous system.You have to train it to respond in a certain way and that requires repetitions without mistakes.Speed is the byproduct of accuracy...end of story .
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Slow and fast are relative terms.Precision on the other hand isnt though....So practise as fast as you can but without making mistakes.The whole point is to not to send mixed signals to your nervous system.You have to train it to respond in a certain way and that requires repetitions without mistakes.Speed is the byproduct of accuracy...end of story .



However you DO have to develop muscles too that enable you to play fast in the first place. They do not get workout by doing stuff slow all the time.

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However you DO have to develop muscles too that enable you to play fast in the first place. They do not get workout by doing stuff slow all the time.


Read carefully what i wrote...i said...play as fast as you can play without mistakes.And i say as fast, cause speed is a relative term.I didnt say play slow or play fast cause for me that sentence is incomplete.

As far as the muscles that you have to develop that is not relative to the speed of your repetitions....Those who play at the speed of light ll tell you that you really dont move a lot when playing fast or use strength of any kind.Its all about economy of motion and finger independence...your fingers arent moving faster than those of a total begginer but more efficiently and that gives you the speed ....
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Read carefully what i wrote...i said...play as fast as you can play without mistakes.And i say as fast, cause speed is a relative term.I didnt say play slow or play fast cause for me that sentence is incomplete.

As far as the muscles that you have to develop that is not relative to the speed of your repetitions....Those who play at the speed of light ll tell you that you really dont move a lot when playing fast or use strength of any kind.Its all about economy of motion and finger independence...your fingers arent moving faster than those of a total begginer but more efficiently and that gives you the speed ....



Oh errr my bad. I get what you are saying.

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However you DO have to develop muscles too that enable you to play fast in the first place. They do not get workout by doing stuff slow all the time.

You don't really, we're not doing weights here.

Being able to play well, and ultimately quickly, comes down to control not strength. The better you can control your fingers the more efficient you'll be in your movements and THAT'S where the real gains lie as far as being able to play faster, strength has nothing to do with it.

Going back to the matter in hand i reckon Highway to Hell in a week is feasible, it's the first solo I learned and I picked it specifically because it wasn't that long, wasn't that fast and wasn't that complicated. It falls nicely into a few sections that each fit into a different part of the fretboard so you only really need to change hand position a couple of times.
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You don't really, we're not doing weights here.

Being able to play well, and ultimately quickly, comes down to control not strength. The better you can control your fingers the more efficient you'll be in your movements and THAT'S where the real gains lie as far as being able to play faster, strength has nothing to do with it.



With strength I do not mean it in weight lifting sense, raw power. We dont want muscle mass. But it is muscles that do the moving and they do have to be capable of doing so relaxed. There is also stamina. No matter how relaxed you are the muscles will get tired from constant motion. I have hard time believing it all comes from control.

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i think "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" is somewhat applicable since we're talking about practicing slowly. playing fast generally shouldn't feel like a struggle for speed if you're doing it well.
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I honestly think that's crappy advice.

Speed is irrelevant here as it's not the issue. The issue is being able to play it correctly, and the only way you can do that is by starting slow and building gradually. Playing fast and incorrectly isn't going to benefit you in any way, it's just a waste of valuable practice time. You might think that's it' somehow made things easier but any percieved benefit is just a placebo effect.


I can tell you from personal experience it is not "crappy advice" Speed IS relevant. He can play the solo accurately at a slower tempo, he's practiced like that before... he stated that. Sitting there and waiting to gradually build the speed does not always work. Again, I know from personal experience. It's about getting your mind and hands used to playing at something you're not comfortable with yet.
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I had to do that same exact thing few years ago for a cover band,
Honestly unless you're used to playing live you're gonna probably be nervous as hell so my advice would be take tidbits from the original solo but then make it your own and use licks you already can play well, most licks in A minor pentatonic shape are gonna sound great with it. With your time frame of only a week, would you rather go onstage and screw up trying to play something that's not ready or make it sound good with what things you already know. Then after the performance keep hammering away at getting it right if you want. Most people aren't gonna care if it's the exact solo they are just gonna notice if you rock it or not.
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i've found that most times i don't get faster just by simply playing slowly many times, I have to play slowly but consiously being aware of what my fingers are doing are they moving away from the neck more than they need to, am i relaxed or using unnecessary tension. Hope it helps and good luck at your performance!
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Concentrate on making the sounds good and clean on every note, not on the speed. Speed will come once you master the dynamics cleanly.
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Well, sometimes it's good to some bursts of playing fast when practicing slow all the time, to get some sort of shock effect, if that makes any sense. I believe vai said that once, not too sure.

Also, if you want to play something performance-level, it would be even better to be able to play the song even a little faster than the original speed, say 102% or something like that. When you actually perform the song at the normal 100% it will be a piece of cake every single time. Stole that from someone else, too.
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