Jayerrr
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#1
hello guys, I used to play the acoustic guitar when I was 11-13 and then I stopped because the instrument didn't play the music i like (metal, rock). Now I'm 16 and I would like to start again. A friend of mine (who does not play the guitar btw) says that first I have to learn the acoustic before I learn the electric guitar. But having to learn something that we don't like is just horrible. Isn't the electric guitar easier because of it's thinner cord and thinner design?
Help me out guys!
jma1111
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Do you mean strings by "cord"? If so, yes, when I moved from a cheapo acoustic to a low end strat (not a fake one), the difference was crazy, the action is usually lower and just much easier playing, but then again my old acoustics neck was bowing and the strings were pretty high, had no adjustable truss. Keep in mind you could have an electric, but that won't instantly make you a rock and metal cover master. Though a decent modeling amp and a guitar with humbuckers would be good for a metal beginner, practice is what will really make you sound like your favorite bands. I started on a strat, single coils, pretty bad 15 watt 3 knob SS amp... Just my 2¢, would wait for more replies...
Also try other music. If you like metallica, of course learn them, but a few hendrix licks, Led Zep here and there really couldn't hurt, shurely will help though! Good luck
Last edited by jma1111 at Apr 24, 2013,
W4RP1G
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#3
There is no reason to learn on an acoustic first. And and electric is easier to play in my experience.
Jayerrr
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#4
thanks for the replies guys!
yeah sorry for cords I ment strings!
Just to understand, how difficult for a beginner is it, to play for example paranoid or enter sandman? I listen to band like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, In Flames, Children of Bodom, Amon Amarth, Soilwork and many others!
How much does a entry level guitar cost? The amp?
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Depends really. For amps, a modeler would probably be the best for a good price, and versatility. Check out the peavey vypyr and the line 6 amps. I suggest the vypyr for good distortion. I have a fender Mustang II, but it doesn't have the best distortion, but it's cleans are great. But if you want good cleans and drive, vypyrs are good. As far as regular combos go, there are some nice marhalls, but they will probably cost more and have less versatility. As for guitars, I don't have the bet reccomendations, but check out Epiphone, Ibanez, and LTD. Could get a good amp for $100-300 depending on wattage amd speaker in a modeling amp, and an entry level guitar could cost from $200-400, depending on brand mainly. I suggest a used mid range ibanez RG or S. Also try out, or get your friend to try out some gear at a GC, if you like the sound, consider buying something like it.

When I started playing Metallica, Enter Sandman was one of the first songs I learned, at this point I had like 3 years of on and off guitar playing experience. It isn't too hard to learn, but the solo will take time. And remember the Sandman is one of their easier songs.
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#8
Start on acoustic if you want to play acoustic.
Start on electric if you want to play electric.

Don't start me on the action (string height) thing. There are electric guitars that have higher action than some acoustics, and vice versa. Also, suddenly switching from finger-bleeding high action to silly low action won't make you play like a golden god.

Muting. Muting is where it's at. Whenever people compare acoustics and electrics they always talk about action - Shut up shut up shut up! Action is something you get used to.
So you can shred on acoustics? Cool story bro. Try it on the "eashierur elctruc gitur" and you will fail horrendously, because your muting technique is complete rubbish.

Take my advice, and just start on electric if you want to play electric. String height is your first minor obstacle when playing guitar, but it will become completely futile after about 3-6 months of playing.


Oh and don't even start me on 'distortiuhn hides misthakes". Come back at me when your sweeps are clean because you've used some distortion.

Note: All the "" are not directed to you, but more towards all those "acoustic is better to start on than electric"-people in general. Happy playing!
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#9
Quote by My Last Words
Start on acoustic if you want to play acoustic.
Start on electric if you want to play electric.

Don't start me on the action (string height) thing. There are electric guitars that have higher action than some acoustics, and vice versa. Also, suddenly switching from finger-bleeding high action to silly low action won't make you play like a golden god.

Muting. Muting is where it's at. Whenever people compare acoustics and electrics they always talk about action - Shut up shut up shut up! Action is something you get used to.
So you can shred on acoustics? Cool story bro. Try it on the "eashierur elctruc gitur" and you will fail horrendously, because your muting technique is complete rubbish.

Take my advice, and just start on electric if you want to play electric. String height is your first minor obstacle when playing guitar, but it will become completely futile after about 3-6 months of playing.


Oh and don't even start me on 'distortiuhn hides misthakes". Come back at me when your sweeps are clean because you've used some distortion.

Note: All the "" are not directed to you, but more towards all those "acoustic is better to start on than electric"-people in general. Happy playing!

This so much. I don't get people who say you need to start on acoustic to become good. If it doesn't inspire you, you'll never get good. If distorted guitar inspires you, you'll learn much faster than you would learn on an acoustic. Also, if you want a guitar that is harder to play on, just raise the action and buy heavy gauge strings. And voila, you have a similar feeling guitar as your crappy acoustic. But why would you want to buy a guitar that doesn't feel good in your hands?

Distortion does hide some mistakes, though. But it takes skill to be able to play cleanly with really high gain. Also, you can play with clean/low gain sound, and there you go, it won't hide your mistakes.

And @ TS: Learning basic riffs of basic rock and metal songs is pretty easy. You'll learn riffs like Paranoid, Smoke on the Water and Enter Sandman pretty fast (solos will take a lot longer). But you need to practice! It takes time to learn something. You can't learn anything instantly. It's good to learn the basic chords first because you need them everywhere. If you don't have the patience to practice, then guitar is not for you.
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yeah just learn the electric, it'll be fine. I disagree completely with people who say you have to learn acoustic first. Eff that, I'll learn what I want, when I want.
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I started to learn on the acoustic for a few weeks, only because I found one in my attick and was waiting until christmas for my electric guitar, from there on I learned on electric, no reason to do it any other way, if you want to pick up acoustic you can do it later.

If you want to play electric guitar, why would you need to learn acoustic first? Seems silly to me!
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#12
If you want to learn to play the guitar, you need to learn the piano. All the great guitarists play the piano.
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#13
^ +1
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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#14
Quote by My Last Words
Start on acoustic if you want to play acoustic.
Start on electric if you want to play electric.

Don't start me on the action (string height) thing. There are electric guitars that have higher action than some acoustics, and vice versa. Also, suddenly switching from finger-bleeding high action to silly low action won't make you play like a golden god.

Muting. Muting is where it's at. Whenever people compare acoustics and electrics they always talk about action - Shut up shut up shut up! Action is something you get used to.
So you can shred on acoustics? Cool story bro. Try it on the "eashierur elctruc gitur" and you will fail horrendously, because your muting technique is complete rubbish.

Take my advice, and just start on electric if you want to play electric. String height is your first minor obstacle when playing guitar, but it will become completely futile after about 3-6 months of playing.


Oh and don't even start me on 'distortiuhn hides misthakes". Come back at me when your sweeps are clean because you've used some distortion.

Note: All the "" are not directed to you, but more towards all those "acoustic is better to start on than electric"-people in general. Happy playing!


I agree with all of this 100%.
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^ yeah. I mean- don't get me wrong, distortion does make certain things easier, for sure. But it also makes certain other things harder. Also, I don't think it's really a crutch if you're using that extra distortion to let you play things that would be impossible (or at least much, much more difficult) to play with little or no distortion.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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agreed- i mean i played piano and drums first before i played (electric) guitar. Did they help? For sure. Did they help as much as starting the (electric) guitar first and putting concerted effort into learning (electric) guitar would have done? Nope.

There's some overlap, but it doesn't make much sense to me to learn the thing where there's some overlap which may help when you can just learn the thing in question where there's 100% overlap and which'll definitely help.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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I pretty much did the same thing you did... started around 10 with acoustic and dropped it quick because I lost interest, then picked up and electric around 16 and have played ever since then.

Play what you want to play because it inspires you to play, that's the main factor that will keep you going and striving to get better and better... The biggest advantage that learning acoustic "first" has is that you will build finger strength faster (imho).
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I was in the same boat as you and decided to go with an electric but let people convince me into starting with a cheap electric because everyone said I should. They convinced me to go with a grx20 and, while it is good for the money, it just wasn't what I wanted or what made me happy.

I found myself watching a ton of YouTube videos and wishing I could play like that so finally I said screw it, got a $2000 budget, picked up a 2013 SG Standard, a micro cube, rocksmith, and some necessities like strings and picks and finally started playing what I WANTED to play and I have improved SO much more and I found my passion for it. Not to mention I can't really outgrow a SG Standard.

The way I see it if I really want to play acoustic right now I can unplug it and pretend or play clean/acoustic on the micro cube for close enough sounds. It won't be exact but it will be good enough haha.
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You decided to get a micro cube with that budget?

Okay.

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The way I see it if I really want to play acoustic right now I can unplug it and pretend or play clean/acoustic on the micro cube for close enough sounds. It won't be exact but it will be good enough haha.


It's not close at all, in any way.
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You decided to get a micro cube with that budget?

Okay.


Guitar, picks, strap, cable, Micro Cube, headphones, and strings = $1500
Software, books, and other random accessories/payments = $500

I practice mostly in my bedroom and the Micro Cube is a good, portable, practice amp that is plenty loud enough for use in a bedroom.

I have been looking at the mini rectifiers lately so one may end up in my collection in the near future.


It's not close at all, in any way.


I have no real need for an acoustic and for learning purposes playing unplugged or on the acoustic setting is plenty good enough. It isn't like I am playing it for anyone but myself so I don't think I will mind much.

A good acoustic may be my next purchase but for now the SG is just fine.
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#22
To be fair, people have mistaken the neck pickup of my SG for an acoustic. It's obviously not going to fool anyone who knows guitars, but it's good enough for the odd strum. The different feel of acoustics is as bigger deal as the sound when pretending with an electric.
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