danyal92
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#1
i want to upgrade my amp and effects. i want to know if i can get a good sound from the POD HD500 (metallca gne etc) or should i buy a pedal board and stompboxes of my choice? how much of a sound difference will there be? which pedalboard would u recommend?
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What is your current gear? What kind of situations are you playing in?
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jpatan
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What amp are you using? Unless you're going direct into a PA or using headphones, you'll still need an amp.

The HD500 is pretty nice, but I wouldn't bother if you're plugging it into a spider or something.

Also, max budget?
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I'd much prefer to have a board full of stomp boxes, seems like a smarter investment.
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Tell us some more about what gear you currntly have.

I went thorugh a multieffects processor phase, and I'm glad I ditched it and went back to stompboxes.

You will likly spend quite a bit more on stompboxes, but IMO your tone will be 1000x better.

I find that processors just kill the amps natural tone. It makes it sound fake.
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danyal92
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#6
i have a boss me 25 and an mg15fx. i want a peavey valveking 112. i have a budget of $500. i want a multifx because i dont think ill be comfortable with a pedalboard when live? wont i have to jump around to control it?
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#7
If you are wanting to switch multiple effects simultaneously and use lots of different settings on those, get the pod. If you don't use a lot of effects and only need to switch one or maybe two on and off occasionally go for pedals.
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fatgraymatt
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#8
I'm betting that most people will recommend stompboxes over a multi but for my part, I prefer the control and variety of a multi. The sheer amount of effects a multi offers would cost a ton more $ buying individual stompboxes (even considering you' ll probably only use a fraction of the ones a multi contains) and there's also the extra control you get programming patches. I like the fact that you can change so much- guitar tones, effect combinations/parameters, EQ & volume changes, etc- with one stomp. The learning curve is steeper with a multi but, nowadays,the difference in sound quality is pretty negligeble IMO. Plus, there's no reason you can't use individual pedals in conjunction with the multi if you so desire. I use a Morley wah anda Boss delay with mine, for instance. I used to use a Line6 podXTlive but switched to a Vox TonelabLE because the Vox sounded more organic to my ears. I haven't tried the HD Line6 units but hopefully they're less digital sounding than the older stuff. To a lot of players the whole multi idea is heresy but I'd put my sound up against individual stompboxes any day and actually do every time I play since my band's other guitarist has about 12 stompboxes on his board. IMO the key is taking the time to learn the unit properly, pairing it with the right amp (a tube amp with a lot of clean headroom in my case, since I also use the amp models) and tweaking everything till your happy with the sounds. I've been playing in bands for 25-plus years and I'm happier with my sound using my ToneLab into a Peavey valveking (an extremely economical setup) than I've ever been using far more expensive conventional amp/stompbox rigs. Plus, I don't have to do the pedal-dance anymore. In any case, experiment and use what works for you. There are no rules!
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Quote by Cathbard
If you are wanting to switch multiple effects simultaneously and use lots of different settings on those, get the pod. If you don't use a lot of effects and only need to switch one or maybe two on and off occasionally go for pedals.


This.

Also, I'd ditch the MG and put that pedal budget towards a new amp. That will improve your sound a lot more than a few pedals.

EDIT: I personally prefer multi-FX units / rack FX. I want to interact with my pedalboard as little as possible, so hitting one switch to change amp channels and turn multiple effects on/off at the same time is a major plus for me.
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#10
Can you not use a pod with Powered Monitors? That's always another option, especially if volume is an issue if you can.
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I agree with the Llama- no matter how good the effect unit you use, it won't sound right without a decent amp. For someone on a budget, Valvekings are tough to beat. Powered monitors will work but running a multi into the clean channel of a tube amp sounds much better to my ears. The Valvekings have a surprisingly good clean channel so I think he's on the right track there. My only complaint about those amps are the stock speakers. I picked up a valveking 112 with an Eminence Man O'War for practice and it sounds really good with my ToneLab. Honestly, my recommendation would be to grab a ToneLabLE (usually around $100 used on Ebay) and a valveking combo. Replace the stock speaker with a good Eminence or Celestion, use the Tonelab's models of the Soldano SLO-100 + the Klon Centaur overdrive into the Valveking's clean channel and you have a killer Metallica/GnR-type sound for under $500. I'd imagine the HD500 would work also but it's gonna be quite a bit more expensive. This setup works well for me, anyway. Danyal92, if this interests you, let me know, I'd be happy to share my settings for rhythm/lead sounds to start you off.
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Quote by HammerParty
Can you not use a pod with Powered Monitors? That's always another option, especially if volume is an issue if you can.


Bingo, only get the HD500 if you plan on doing it like this IMO. No point in grabbing a unit like the HD500 if all you want is just the effects.
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Quote by jpatan
I personally prefer multi-FX units / rack FX. I want to interact with my pedalboard as little as possible, so hitting one switch to change amp channels and turn multiple effects on/off at the same time is a major plus for me.
I've been a rack man for most of my career but lately I've just been using a simple pedalboard. We are playing pub rock (think ACDC) and old school punk so I don't use a lot of effects; two overdrives, chorus, delay and reverb. I've been using my modded JCM900 and a 6x12. With these styles of music I've been quite enjoying the simplicity of it to be honest.
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Quote by azn_guitarist25
Bingo, only get the HD500 if you plan on doing it like this IMO. No point in grabbing a unit like the HD500 if all you want is just the effects.


I actually thought about doing this, especially when I move if the walls are thin. Can't crank up a tube amp in an apartment sadly.
danyal92
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Quote by fatgraymatt
I agree with the Llama- no matter how good the effect unit you use, it won't sound right without a decent amp. For someone on a budget, Valvekings are tough to beat. Powered monitors will work but running a multi into the clean channel of a tube amp sounds much better to my ears. The Valvekings have a surprisingly good clean channel so I think he's on the right track there. My only complaint about those amps are the stock speakers. I picked up a valveking 112 with an Eminence Man O'War for practice and it sounds really good with my ToneLab. Honestly, my recommendation would be to grab a ToneLabLE (usually around $100 used on Ebay) and a valveking combo. Replace the stock speaker with a good Eminence or Celestion, use the Tonelab's models of the Soldano SLO-100 + the Klon Centaur overdrive into the Valveking's clean channel and you have a killer Metallica/GnR-type sound for under $500. I'd imagine the HD500 would work also but it's gonna be quite a bit more expensive. This setup works well for me, anyway. Danyal92, if this interests you, let me know, I'd be happy to share my settings for rhythm/lead sounds to start you off.


Thank you, ill definetly let you know if i get the valveking.

Thanks alot everyone!
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Quote by HammerParty
I actually thought about doing this, especially when I move if the walls are thin. Can't crank up a tube amp in an apartment sadly.


Yup I've got my HD500 running through a set of headphones while my Fireball and cab sit next to it doing jack shit. The good thing about the HD500 is that you can run it however you want. Whether it be through headphones, frfr speakers/monitors, guitar cabinet, computer, etc.
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#17
I picked up a pod hd500 for those gigs that i didn't think warranted bringing the main or backup rig down for. I kept the pod for twenty days and still didn't get what i thought was an acceptable tone from it. I even tried 4 cable method with my half stack and was left unsatisfied. I did like the interface and everything else basically about it, just not the sound. YMMV so pick one up and make sure you understand the return policy.
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