21xanadu12
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I've been having a lot of trouble getting a distorted tone I'm happy with using pedals through my current amp, so I'm looking to get an upgrade. I stopped following gear reviews and whatnot while in college though, so I feel kind of out of the loop and wanted recommendations of amps to look into. Thanks in advance!

Budget - ~$1500

Genres - I'm looking for something specifically for metal as I already have an amp for a lot of the other stuff I play. Tone-wise I really like the sound's from Between the Buried and Me (Colors, Parallax II), Mastodon, Trivium (Shogun), Avantasia (The Metal Opera).

New or Used - Either is fine

Home or Gig - Home use. I'd like to do some recording with whatever I get down the road.

Closest City - Indianapolis

Current Gear - I'll mostly be using my Jackson Kelly with Dimarzio D-Activator's to play through whatever I get. I don't know the exact model unfortunately. If it makes a difference my old amp is a Fender DeVille 410.
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Somehow I feel you're gonna get a lotta 6505+ recommendations.
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Quote by ragingkitty
Somehow I feel you're gonna get a lotta 6505+ recommendations.


They are great amp...

For his budget he can afford to look at something more flexible.

6505/+, dual rectifier, road king, 5150 III, Mesa Mark IV, a few ENGLs, Krankestein +
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it's hard to not recommend a Peavey 6505, since regardless of the price range they are one of the finest sounding metal amps money can buy. I'm sure Mastadon use JCM800's, Trivium using Marshall JVM + 6505 and BTBAM using Mesa Dual Rects.
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Quote by 21xanadu12
I've been having a lot of trouble getting a distorted tone I'm happy with using pedals through my current amp, so I'm looking to get an upgrade. I stopped following gear reviews and whatnot while in college though, so I feel kind of out of the loop and wanted recommendations of amps to look into. Thanks in advance!

Budget - ~$1500

Genres - I'm looking for something specifically for metal as I already have an amp for a lot of the other stuff I play. Tone-wise I really like the sound's from Between the Buried and Me (Colors, Parallax II), Mastodon, Trivium (Shogun), Avantasia (The Metal Opera).

New or Used - Either is fine

Home or Gig - Home use. I'd like to do some recording with whatever I get down the road.

Closest City - Indianapolis

Current Gear - I'll mostly be using my Jackson Kelly with Dimarzio D-Activator's to play through whatever I get. I don't know the exact model unfortunately. If it makes a difference my old amp is a Fender DeVille 410.


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I 2ed the 5150iii. It's a great amp. It has a great metal tone, and also cleans up a lot better then the 6505. I was actually able to get a pretty sweet clean tone out of it in the studio.
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Thanks for all the suggestions! I didn't realize the Peavey amps were so highly regarded. I'll definitely look into them along with the Mesa Boogies and some of the others mentioned.

Edit: Are the Peavey cabs generally considered ok as well, or is it just the head people like?
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Quote by 21xanadu12
Thanks for all the suggestions! I didn't realize the Peavey amps were so highly regarded. I'll definitely look into them along with the Mesa Boogies and some of the others mentioned.

Edit: Are the Peavey cabs generally considered ok as well, or is it just the head people like?


The cabs themselves are extremely well built (but very heavy as a result, based on my old 5150 cab) but the Sheffield speakers are not the most loved shall we say. Nothing wrong with them but often people buy a seperate cab because they want different speakers (more often than not V30s).

A Peavey 6505 with a Mesa cab (V30s) is a more popular combination, and would get my recommendation.
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Quote by Bigbazz
The cabs themselves are extremely well built (but very heavy as a result, based on my old 5150 cab) but the Sheffield speakers are not the most loved shall we say. Nothing wrong with them but often people buy a seperate cab because they want different speakers (more often than not V30s).

A Peavey 6505 with a Mesa cab (V30s) is a more popular combination, and would get my recommendation.


x2.

Mesa cab with V30's is a classic combination.
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I ran the 5150iii into a mesa 412 with V30's, and I alos tried it with my randall 212+115 cab thats loaded with legends.

I've got to say that it sounded good with the V30's, but sounded muchhhhh better with the legends!
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Outside of typical Peavey recommendations, also take a look at Engl Powerball and Blackmore amps.

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5150III would be my suggestion, no doubt.

I'd also take a look at the Burgera 333XL. Cheap and very tight metal tone.
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Quote by 6505fiz

I'd also take a look at the Burgera 333XL. Cheap and very tight metal tone.


With his budget he should take the real thing that amp is a clone of, meaning Peavey JSX. Bugera is a good sounding choice for people on the budget willing to gamble with warranty but if you afford it, getting the reliable one is safest.

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I'm pretty sure one of the guitarists for BTBAM uses a Mesa Roadking

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I'm guessing you need either a combo or head and cab with that budget.

Krank 1980/Rev+/Kstein+
Laney VH100r/GH50/100
Splawn QR/Nitro
Marshall JCM DSL50/100
Mesa Dual recto
Mesa Mark III/IV
Mesa Stiletto
Peavey Ultra/XXX/JSX/3120
Orange TH30/100
Sovtek MIG 50/100
Soldano HRA

And then grab a decent 2x12 or 4x12 cab
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Quote by Robbgnarly
I'm guessing you need either a combo or head and cab with that budget.

Krank 1980/Rev+/Kstein+
Laney VH100r/GH50/100
Splawn QR/Nitro
Marshall JCM DSL50/100
Mesa Dual recto
Mesa Mark III/IV
Mesa Stiletto
Peavey Ultra/XXX/JSX/3120
Orange TH30/100
Sovtek MIG 50/100
Soldano HRA

And then grab a decent 2x12 or 4x12 cab


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Imo the Orange Thunderverb 100 with a matching cab, either 2x12 or 4x12, would great for what you want.

Also look into the Laney Ironheart they are quite aweome.
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I know I sound like a broken record, but check out Stiff Amplification. The Fistpump or Dirthead can do what you want. 500 for the twenty watt, 600 for the fifty and that leaves cash left over for a sweet cab and some to put back in the bank.
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Quote by Remnest
Imo the Orange Thunderverb 100 with a matching cab, either 2x12 or 4x12, would great for what you want.

Also look into the Laney Ironheart they are quite aweome.

You mean TH100 since the Thunderverb is only available as 50 and 200.

Also, if you can't swing a RoadKing MKII, go with the original RoadKing or Roadster.

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Quote by Ippon
You mean TH100 since the Thunderverb is only available as 50 and 200.

Also, if you can't swing a RoadKing MKII, go with the original RoadKing or Roadster.



Correct, the TH100 my mistake. Though the TV50 wouldnt be a back choice either imo.
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#21
Is your budget flexible at all? You should get a 2 channel Dual Rectifier and a 6505+ or 5150 II - you could realistically get both of those amps for $1500 with some thrifty shopping, but you wouldn't be able to get a cab.

Otherwise, look at the 5150 III Mini. It would be a pretty good middle of the road option, I think.

As far as cabs go, any of the usual suspects will run you ~$500 (Mesa 412, Orange 412, Marshall 1960AV, Avatar 412)

EDIT: A 3ch Rectifier or a Roadster might also do just the trick, as long as you're okay with the fact that you're not going to get the 6505 Trivium sound out of anything but a 6505/5150. All these other options are great if you're okay with not nailing Trivium tone.
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For the record the bugera 333 sounds almost nothing like the xxx/jsx and is a dreadful amp and should be avoided like the fat drunk at the end of a party.
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#24
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blackstar ht is an eargasm and should be in your budget


Best get your ears checked.


Quote by losing battle
For the record the bugera 333 sounds almost nothing like the xxx/jsx and is a dreadful amp and should be avoided like the fat Girl drunk at the end of a party.


You forgot some thing..

Edit: and I put it in the wrong part of the sentence.
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Quote by losing battle
For the record the bugera 333 sounds almost nothing like the xxx/jsx and is a dreadful amp and should be avoided like the fat drunk at the end of a party.



Sure it wasnt the cheap-ass chinese tubes? I just have hard time figuring out how an amp that is almost 1:1 copy using cheap parts would sound that different from the original. But reliability, yeah....

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blackstar ht is an eargasm and should be in your budget

WTF?
with the budget TS has I'd put the HT series on par with the Marshall MG, both suck
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Hmm... I guess I'm the only one who has a positive experience in regards to the Bugera 333.

Logically if his budget is higher, getting a "better" amp is hard to argue... but I've always felt if you can nail a specific tone with a cheaper piece of gear, then you have more money left over for other equipment upgrades.

The funny thing is, the 6505+ combo is chinese made and uses chinese tubes... in fact, it's probably made by the same factory that makes the bugera 333.

Yet the 6505+ combo gets recommended here quite often.

Who knows, maybe I'm missing something.
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It's because 6505+ combos don't have a reputation for blowing up and catching on fire. They got the reputation not as a joke because it genuinely happened, I've been at more than one gig where one of the bands Bugeras die on stage, one of them was in sound check and he had to borrow a spare old Marshall MG the venue had stored in the back.

If you want to have to use a Marshall MG because your Bugera blows up on stage then sure go for it! They don't sound half bad, infact for the price those Bugera amps sound great, but you have to factor in the laughable reliability reputation they have built up.
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Quote by 6505fiz
Hmm... I guess I'm the only one who has a positive experience in regards to the Bugera 333.

Logically if his budget is higher, getting a "better" amp is hard to argue... but I've always felt if you can nail a specific tone with a cheaper piece of gear, then you have more money left over for other equipment upgrades.

The funny thing is, the 6505+ combo is chinese made and uses chinese tubes... in fact, it's probably made by the same factory that makes the bugera 333.

Yet the 6505+ combo gets recommended here quite often.

Who knows, maybe I'm missing something.

There is no way in hell Peavey MIC amps are made in the same factory as Bugera's. There is an average at best ratio of MIC Peavey problems imo. I'm pretty sure the 6505+112, the Valveking and the Vypyrs are all made in the same factory. I've owned the VK and the Vypyr.

It is fine to hear the good too on the Bugeras. I personally like their V22. But I've got a list a mile lone of UG'r threads having issues with their Bugera. A couple of years ago it was kind of funny and a popular joke to pick on people with a Bugera problem but now, due to the severity of the issue, it is just not funny any more.


I for one will not tolerate anyone poking fun at Bugera and will report them immediately.


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Hah, well I must admit... if they're prone to exploding into flames whilst being played on stage, then please, allow me to remove this amplifier line from my previously made suggestions.
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#31
5150/6505 + Mesa 4x12 = beast! and grab a tube screamer (or something similar).
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Quote by 6505fiz
Hah, well I must admit... if they're prone to exploding into flames whilst being played on stage, then please, allow me to remove this amplifier line from my previously made suggestions.


Bugera has their own factory... They can control their QC as they own it. It's not a pain in the ass contract out to some random Chinese plant.

What I am saying is they chose not to control it, or at least slow to fix it.
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Quote by 6505fiz
Hmm... I guess I'm the only one who has a positive experience in regards to the Bugera 333.

Logically if his budget is higher, getting a "better" amp is hard to argue... but I've always felt if you can nail a specific tone with a cheaper piece of gear, then you have more money left over for other equipment upgrades.

The funny thing is, the 6505+ combo is chinese made and uses chinese tubes... in fact, it's probably made by the same factory that makes the bugera 333.

Yet the 6505+ combo gets recommended here quite often.

Who knows, maybe I'm missing something.

I have had a 333 for 4 yrs now and I have had small problems when compared to others. But I would not gig with out a backup amp.

Bugeras do sound good, but build quality is shoddy at best. Now the 333 sits buried in my closet because I can not sell it at all. $250 for a tube amp with brand new tubes and still no one
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