#1
Well, It's another one of those gear moments - One that makes me think I'm just too much of a tone %*#)@, and can't seem to stop tweaking with stuff!

I'm possibly considering more speaker experimentation w/my new cab already. I ordered an Avatar contemporary 4x12 with greenbacks in it not too long ago. I had 2x2 combo of WGS Veteran 30's and ET-65's I was gonna put into it, and sell the GB's w/my old 1960A cab. I ended up really liking the GB's, and selling the Marshall w/the WGS stuff in it.

Although I've had my fun playing around w/the GB's in my new cab, I finally got a chance to actually turn my amp up with them a bit (ENGL Fireball 60). I absolutely LOVE the rich, musical tone, and aggressive mid-range bark that they have, but I'm finding that when the volume goes up, that they break up a bit too early for me - The low and high characteristics end up changing quite a bit, and while it's awesome for some things, it's not what I'm looking to have color my high gain metal tones.

The real question I have, should I give the GB's more time? (They're not what I'd call fully broken in yet), or should I consider yet another swap? I'm not looking to go back to Veteran 30's or ET-65's (Both nice speakers, but not to my preference w/the ENGL - The Veteran 30 is pretty different than a real Vintage 30 IMHO. The ET-65 is nice, but is more balanced to my ears/lacking mid-range bark), but was considering the following options..

- Switch to G12H30's? (Not much more wattage, but I hear they handle lows better/tighter than a GB at higher volume)

- Switch to WGS Reaper 50's? (My favorite WGS Speaker from what I remember, but it's been awhile since I've played through them - and it was w/a different amp when I had one).

- Other options? (Recommend me something! )

Overall, I guess I'm after something rich and musical/mid-rangey like a GB, but that can also handle high gain/modern tones a bit cleaner/tighter, with higher wattage. I suppose the Vintage 30 is the "go-to" choice in my situation, but to me, the GB/G12-H style speakers (from what I've heard), have a different character/warmth to them that I prefer.
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#2
you could maybe try a mix of g12h30s and greenbacks? i like that combo. I only play at lower volumes, though, so bear that in mind.
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#3
It sounds like you want Splawn Small Blocks. They are more or less GB clones, but higher wattage. I have some and they have the exact characteristics you are after: rich midrange, "musical" as you call it, and they definitely won't break up as quick as standard GBs (they are rated for 55 watts)
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you could maybe try a mix of g12h30s and greenbacks? i like that combo. I only play at lower volumes, though, so bear that in mind.

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#5
Sounds like I'll have to try the whole speaker mixing thing again! Oh, the never-ending quest for tone..

Dave, you own a cab with the GB/G12-H30 combo? I heard that the H30 has less mid bark, but tighter lows/smoother highs. Just trying to get a bit more info there if possible before I throw a pair of GB's up on CL.
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#6
Hey dude. Good to see ya again. You're description of the H30 seems valid. That is why I got one at one point because I wanted tighter low end and less mids. I paired it with a Classic Lead 80 for my Splawn Quick Rod. That was a good combination for down tuned heavy bass type stuff that I like.

I sold that cab to gregs1020 to fund my Splawn cab - which has Small Blocks. I can highly recommend those too
#7
*cough* Scumback M series *cough*

In all honesty though, I enjoy a good v30/greenback combo for metal.
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Dave, you own a cab with the GB/G12-H30 combo? I heard that the H30 has less mid bark, but tighter lows/smoother highs. Just trying to get a bit more info there if possible before I throw a pair of GB's up on CL.


not currently, i still have the speakers but they're paired up with different things

i'm not sure about the smoother highs (it really depends on how you describe it), but tighter lows and fewer mids sound about right for the g12h30.

i also have a cab with a tayden high brit and great brit, which is a bit like a greenback/g12h30 combo, but not exactly.
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#9
Buy some Splawn Small Blocks.

Seriously, VERY underrated speaker - They're like Greenbacks on steroids. They're basically a Heritage G12M with a bigger lowend and a more round top end. Great speakers, and you can get 2 for a little more than one G12H30, they're also 55w, so you have more headroom
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Buy some Splawn Small Blocks. Seriously, VERY underrated speaker - They're like Greenbacks on steroids. They're basically a Heritage G12M with a bigger lowend and a more round top end. Great speakers, and you can get 2 for a little more than one G12H30, they're also 55w, so you have more headroom



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#12
a reaper is a g12h30 clone...with whatever mods WGS did to it
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#13
I have a 2x12 cab with a Eminence GB128 and a WGS Reaper HP and they sound really good. I was skeptical at first, but they ended up working really nice with my amps
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#14
Thanks for all the replies everyone!

In a bit of a dillema of sorts. Those Splawn small blocks sound like they're probably pretty awesome speakers. However, I also have the chance to score two H30's for about the same price (way under normal retail). I'm guessing since they're Celestions, I could probably flip 'em for what I'd be able to buy them for if I ended up not liking them? (Guessing that probably isn't the case w/the small blocks).

EDIT: Jumped on the deal for the G12H30's. Should be here sometime next week for me to try them out. Getting kind of curious on the idea of a G12H30/Small block combo too...
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Last edited by FlightofIcarus at May 25, 2013,
#15
Bringing back this thread, only to let anyone curious know how things played out. Was definitely interested in the Splawn small blocks, but had to jump on a deal for G12H30's (i.e - cheap enough that I'd be able to recover my losses if I didn't dig 'em).

The G12H30's definitely live up to the "greenback on steroids" description I've heard quite a bit in the past (I had never hear an actual Celestion G12H30 in person until now. The low end is much stronger/tighter, and there is more clarity in the highs. They have slightly less mid bark than the greenbacks, which is a good thing with the G12M/G12H mix, because the G12H's are slightly louder than the G12M's (The mids of the G12M help out w/it's lower Db rating)

My overall impression for now? I think I prefer the tone of the greenbacks over the G12H for most things (Medium magnets = sweeter tone?), but the G12H wins when it comes to handling the heavier/more modern stuff (But still has some vintage vibe to it). I'll have to play around with this combo for awhile/possibly tinker around with other mixes in the future. I used to think I was too much of a pickup junkie - But I now know that speaker swapping has proven to be quite the Pandora's box of tone hunting for me!
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Last edited by FlightofIcarus at May 30, 2013,
#16
^ yeah speaker swapping is addictive nice score, and thanks for keeping us updated.

yeah that sounds like a g12h versus g12m in a nutshell. It's probably worth pointing out that the anniversary isn't quite as sweet-sounding (IMO) as the heritage version (i have the 55Hz version) or the tayden great brit, at least out of the box.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?