jjfeu662
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I have my Ibanez RG421 with EMG81 in the bridge and tuned in C#, plugged into my Peavey Vypyr 15 and into my computer via a cheap 3.5mm aux adapter, recorded with Audacity.

Is it normal that it sounds like shit?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pier8x8az4y2ffg/Bewitched.mp3

Sorry about the sloppy playing, that was just a test to see if it would work.
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TheNameOfNoone
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Yes, Peavey vypyr has very bad headphones output. I recommend you to record with a microphone, since the speaker makes much difference in sound.
I recorded both of the songs on my profile with a cheap microphone and Vypyr 15, you can listen to them if you want.
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chatterbox272
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Yes it's totally normal for it to sound like shit. Get an interface, even one of those cheap unbranded versions of the Behringer Guitar Link and free amp sims will kick the crap out of the headphone out of a Vypyr (I'd even say it'd kick the crap out of the USB out of the bigger Vypyrs).
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Yep, it's normal. Get some real recording gear. Focusrite Saffire 6's go for pretty cheap used. Got a Scarlett 2i4 myself and it's one of the best investments I've made, surely lives up to it's hype.
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Well, no offence but you have the following signal chain.

Low end guitar -> Low end amp, with cheap electronics/preamp and power amp -> Port of computer not designed for high quality audio recording, with no preamp for the signal/poor A/D conversion, via a cheap lead not designed for that task -> A program which, at best, should be used for stereo signal analysing, not as a DAW.

You're doomed before you play your first note, even if your low end guitar has a bridge and machineheads capable of holding it in tune properly

If you just want to record guitar demos, don't worry too much about quality and just get a cheap guitar USB interface and use free amp sims etc. to record them. If you're serious about getting a great sound, prepare to join many on a long journey of education and discovery, considerable financial investment, and lots of trial and error
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Quote by TheNameOfNoone
Yes, Peavey vypyr has very bad headphones output. I recommend you to record with a microphone, since the speaker makes much difference in sound.


With a shitty amp like a Vypyr, you're going to spend more than the amps worth on just a Mic. Throw in an interface and its 2-3 times the price of a shitty amp thats not worth micing.

Just go buy an audio interface, grab Reaper (Audacity is for dumb shits & idiots) & use free VST amp sims like the many listed in the VST amp sim sticky thread. You'll end up with much better results than you'd get from micing your vypyr
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Quote by DisarmGoliath
Well, no offence but you have the following signal chain.

Low end guitar -> Low end amp, with cheap electronics/preamp and power amp -> Port of computer not designed for high quality audio recording, with no preamp for the signal/poor A/D conversion, via a cheap lead not designed for that task -> A program which, at best, should be used for stereo signal analysing, not as a DAW.

You're doomed before you play your first note, even if your low end guitar has a bridge and machineheads capable of holding it in tune properly

If you just want to record guitar demos, don't worry too much about quality and just get a cheap guitar USB interface and use free amp sims etc. to record them. If you're serious about getting a great sound, prepare to join many on a long journey of education and discovery, considerable financial investment, and lots of trial and error


Ibanez RG4xx are no Gibsons, but they're hardly low-end (especially the MIJ ones). Other than that I'd say you're right. So I need more money before I can expect to get anywhere. Off to job-hunting!
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Quote by lockwolf
With a shitty amp like a Vypyr, you're going to spend more than the amps worth on just a Mic. Throw in an interface and its 2-3 times the price of a shitty amp thats not worth micing.

Just go buy an audio interface, grab Reaper (Audacity is for dumb shits & idiots) & use free VST amp sims like the many listed in the VST amp sim sticky thread. You'll end up with much better results than you'd get from micing your vypyr

Dude. You're mean and are giving biased information ("Audacity is for dumb shits & idiots").
I'm not saying you are wrong, but at least be objective when you are talking and give the reasons why to do something you said.

Also, I used a microphone on the 10$ headphones, and I have recorded this, which, in my opinion, can be used as a pretty good demo track. I also used Audacity.
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Dude. You're mean and are giving biased information ("Audacity is for dumb shits & idiots").
I'm not saying you are wrong, but at least be objective when you are talking and give the reasons why to do something you said.

Also, I used a microphone on the 10$ headphones, and I have recorded this, which, in my opinion, can be used as a pretty good demo track. I also used Audacity.

You're quite right that he is harsh in the way he speaks, but if lockwolf's user title wasn't enough to tell you... he's the harsh dick we all love, in the classic 'anti-hero' way

And no offence, but your recording doesn't really offer what TS is after if he wants a decent quality recording - sure, yours is fine as a demo of your guitar work, but if I was to listen to that as a band's demo/EP (assuming it wasn't just guitar) there is clipping all over the place, and even without other instruments to compete with the tone is quite thin and shrill. For a $10 mic built into a headset I can't fault you, but it's certainly nothing releasable or even worth a band using to promote themselves at a beginner level.


Btw, TS - I didn't mean any disrespect calling your guitar low-end... it refers to price-point; there are some great low-end guitars out there, and some absolute stinking rip-offs in the higher-end price points. But would you compare a £250 entry-level guitar, to (for example) a £2,000+ handmade guitar with all the fancy trimmings?
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Ok....just opened it up in a DAW and this shouldn't be too difficult to improve.


1) Turn your input levels down!
It's clipping like a mother****er, which is why you get that horrible distorted edge to the sound. Using a 1/4" adapter is hardly the best choice but you can get some ok results with it, turn down the volume either on the amp or in the Windows volume panel.

2) Get your tuning and playing right
Seriously, if this clip had been recorded through a £3000 Bogner it'd still sound like shit. The tuning is way off and the playing is loose. If you're fairly new to guitar...learn to play well in standard tuning before you take on this muddy drop-tuned metal craziness.

3) Use cabinet emulation
The speaker cabinet simulator on most amps' recording outputs is pretty shitty. Run your recordings through a cab emulator like LeCab, Mercuriall or the free version of Amplitube. You'll need to use VST-compatible software, which you should be doing already.


Quote by TheNameOfNoone
Also, I used a microphone on the 10$ headphones, and I have recorded this, which, in my opinion, can be used as a pretty good demo track. I also used Audacity.

Er....no. Sorry.

That sounds like one of John Frusicante's awful taped improvisations when his mind was almost destroyed by heroin, but without the redeeming quality of John Frusciante. Or the drugs. I feel like my ears have been raped.
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jjfeu662
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Quote by kyle62
Ok....just opened it up in a DAW and this shouldn't be too difficult to improve.


1) Turn your input levels down!
It's clipping like a mother****er, which is why you get that horrible distorted edge to the sound. Using a 1/4" adapter is hardly the best choice but you can get some ok results with it, turn down the volume either on the amp or in the Windows volume panel.

2) Get your tuning and playing right
Seriously, if this clip had been recorded through a £3000 Bogner it'd still sound like shit. The tuning is way off and the playing is loose. If you're fairly new to guitar...learn to play well in standard tuning before you take on this muddy drop-tuned metal craziness.

3) Use cabinet emulation
The speaker cabinet simulator on most amps' recording outputs is pretty shitty. Run your recordings through a cab emulator like LeCab, Mercuriall or the free version of Amplitube. You'll need to use VST-compatible software, which you should be doing already.


1) OK
2) The tuner on my Vypyr seems to be broken, so the tuning is probably off. As for the playing, I have been playing seriously for about a year, have not had a formal lesson, and looked up those tabs within about 5 minutes of recording. As I said in the OP, I was admittedly playing poorly but I just wanted to test the setup.
3) I will see what I can do about that, but I still need some kind of interface (I think). Would that Behringer Guitar Link be passable for not HD quality but at least listenable recording?
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Would that Behringer Guitar Link be passable for not HD quality but at least listenable recording?

Yeah, I still use one for doing little home demos when my interface is unavailable. Most recent thing I did with a Guitar Link: https://soundcloud.com/rightontime/tunnel-vision-demo

People get way too fussy about this stuff, by the time you've slapped a big dirty amp and cab sim on there you'll struggle to hear a difference.

Bass DIs are a different story, mind.
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Yeah but you know how to put that polish on guitars which still alludes me to this day!
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Yeah but you know how to put that polish on guitars which still alludes me to this day!

Haha...I am NEVER happy with guitar tones!

The only polish I generally use is a nice analog-style EQ (SonEQ is my weapon of choice) - lowpass to between 8 and 11kHz, highpass anywhere up to 110ish, maybe a little saturation to soften out the transients.
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I feel like my ears have been raped.


F*ck you.
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#16
Quote by kyle62
I feel like my ears have been raped.


May I remind you of my setup? I'd say NameofNoone is doing a fairly good.

I might record a Black Metal album with the Vypyr headphone jack.
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#17
Never use Peavey. Best amp is Egnater Armageddon, you can turn all of the mids off so they can't get through and ruin your tone. For my price range though, I prefer Line6 Spider's, they have the most lights and therefore the most tone. Similar to how a guitar with more points on it has more tone, the amp with the most lights is the best. Keep on rockin'!

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Inventive, albeit blatant, troll account there. 3/10.
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Yeah, what an idiot. Everyone knows tone quality depends on how cool the inlays are, and whether it has some entry-level metal guitarist's signature photocopied onto the headstock. Not the number of sharp edges! Silly goose.
There's not much else to say here, other than plugging my explanation of when not to use Audacity one more time, and saying- wait, you were using the line-in for this? Doesn't the Interfaces sticky say not to do that, right at the beginning?
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wait, you were using the line-in for this? Doesn't the Interfaces sticky say not to do that, right at the beginning?

Actually it doesn't. It says not to use those damn useless 1/4" jack adapters. Theoretically, if it was a half okay line in port and the headphone output of a vypyr wasn't terrible then this should work okay. Not great, but the line in is designed to take input from a jack intended as a headphone out so you should be alright.
But the vypyr headphone jack is pretty much arse and most of those integrated line ins aren't exactly great even by PC soundcard standards.
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#21
I have a vypyr tube 60 and the USB out on that is shit. Nothing like the speaker. It would be far better, as has been said, to get an interface and an amp sim. They really do sound much better, and with the right software and tweaking, you can actually achieve some really nice tones.
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#22
people are so quick to hate on vypyrs. it makes me so sad.

this was recorded a few years ago on a vypyr 100 using the headphone jack into the line in on my computer. line in, not the mic jack. even the bass was recorded like that. i use the krank model for all distortion and the twin for all cleans. ezdrummer for drums.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lj0z1aq6g650r2k/MyAngel.mp3

this was recorded last year using the usb out on that same vypyr. i dont think the 15 has a usb out, but the headphone out is supposedly just as good on all models.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gso1qm8y4fo75a0/Lost.mp3

and this was recorded this past december with a vypyr tube 60 through usb after my 100 kind of died.(i got it fixed when the tube 60 wasnt loud enough for metal shows). i cant really tell the tube difference through the usb port. it sounds way better through the speaker though.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dp52u4so35kq7rp/ToHate.mp3

i dont think they sound that bad. i think the main sound problem is that i tend to use too much gain. most people think it sounds amazing for an amp with such a bad rep.

in the recording that you posted, it sounds like clipping is happening, which is your fault, not the amp's. make sure youre using a blue line in and not the pink microphone jack. the line will be much better. the 1/8th cable also matters as i had 2 back then, but one of them would hum when recording. if you are clipping, turn the volume on the amp down, or go into the control panel>sounds>recording>line in> and remove any boost that might be enabled. volume and boost are 2 different things. you can have the volume at 100, but make the gain boost as low as possible. high gain on the line in will work just like gain on an amp and distort the sound.

this is how you can tell that youre clipping in audacity.
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those other guys were right about your guitar though. the intonation is pretty bad. it sounds like the strings actually change pitch when you hit them hard. that naturally happens to an extent. but it shouldnt be that obvious. im gonna guess that your string gauge is too small for that tuning.
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DisarmGoliath
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Does nobody know how to use Dropbox? You're not posting the right links for us; you need the 'Copy Public Link' link, that will start with 'https://dl.dropbox...'

I'm not downloading the files just to listen to it (assuming that other browsers also won't play the music from the above links, and only work for ones with dl.dropbox... in, which is as I presume).
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#24
Quote by ciano16
people are so quick to hate on vypyrs. it makes me so sad.


Because there was nothing impressive about any of the clips you posted. They were all thin, fizzy & only worked because they had a terribly mixed drum & bass behind them. The first clip is a good example. The guitar is very thin and to compensate, the drums are mixed WAYYY too boomy even for my taste (I'm the guy who takes the already compressed Chris Lord-Alge SSD Samples and compresses them even more).
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I've not tried it with the CLA stuff, but I almost always compress the base SSD stuff. The punch you get is incredible.
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