Shadowofravenwo
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Hey Folks,

I'm looking at the 59 style PAFs by both companies, and the number rating system is confusing me.

It seems that the SD ones have far more bass and treble with more scooped mids. The Dimarzio ones seem to be more balanced.

Is that the case or are the numbers arbitrary?
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Quote by Roc8995
The numbers are arbitrary.


That is what I was afraid of. Are the more reflective of the ratio of tones within the pickup, or completely pointless?
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A little of both, really. They're meant to convey a bit of what the pickup sounds like, and they are somewhat useful for comparing pickups of the same brand (since the same person ostensibly rated them all, in relation to each other). They're a very basic idea of the balance of the pickup. I wouldn't put too much stock in them.
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Quote by Roc8995
A little of both, really. They're meant to convey a bit of what the pickup sounds like, and they are somewhat useful for comparing pickups of the same brand (since the same person ostensibly rated them all, in relation to each other). They're a very basic idea of the balance of the pickup. I wouldn't put too much stock in them.


Ok. That is more or less what I assumed.

Thanks for your help.
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#6
To be fair, you can't go wrong with either Seymour Duncan 59 or Dimarzio 36th Anniversary are both good pickups in there own right
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Quote by barnesybaby
To be fair, you can't go wrong with either Seymour Duncan 59 or Dimarzio 36th Anniversary are both good pickups in there own right


So do the 36th anniversary pickups have a more balanced or less scooped EQ?

How do they differ from the Pro or the SD's?
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#8
Both great companies. Obviously if you have a chance to hear them in person, do that first. That will be hard though, so research a bit and pull the trigger on your favorite. You can always EQ your amp to account for the differences. Either company wont dissapoint.
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Quote by shredder3386
Both great companies. Obviously if you have a chance to hear them in person, do that first. That will be hard though, so research a bit and pull the trigger on your favorite. You can always EQ your amp to account for the differences. Either company wont dissapoint.


True, forgot about the EQ.

I'm looking for a nice clean pickup, nicely balanced EQ (plenty of mids on tap), that also gets a nice growl on when distorted (will probably need help, given low output).


I'm totally biased to SD as Slash and Billy G play those.
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Well, plenty of mids isn't what you'll find in an "authentic" PAF repro. PAFs were for the most part rather scooped pickups.

Might want to look into the Duncan Custom or the '59/Custom Hybrid. They've got more mids and a bit more output and crunch very well. The Custom was designed for just what you want, which is a PAF with more output and mids. The hybrid is a bit of each pickup (literally one coil from each) so it's a nice middle ground between the PAF cleans and "honk" and the Custom snarl. Here's a video with the 59 and the 59/Custom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ72VKJo9b4
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#11
Those sound nice, and I considered the hybrid custom, but I've heard neither pick up completely cleans up.

Ok, that is the sound I am going for. Scooped mids not an issue. I was worried about getting buried in the mix when I jam.

I wish I knew the output of the pickups ont Washburn MG-44. It does what I want. The Ibanez is the one getting the new pickups for sure.
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#12
As far as neck pickups go I own both, a Duncan 59 & DiMarzio 36th Ann. PAF, and I prefer the DiMarzio. It is more balanced and a little warmer sounding than the Duncan 59. Both are good though.
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Quote by zakkwyldefan79
As far as neck pickups go I own both, a Duncan 59 & DiMarzio 36th Ann. PAF, and I prefer the DiMarzio. It is more balanced and a little warmer sounding than the Duncan 59. Both are good though.

Just saw a Guitar World Review for the 36th PAF. Sounds like what I am going for. Now Zakk, very important question, how are the pinch harmonics?
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#14
I'm not sure it will make much difference with a Vox VT40 - assuming that is the amp you will be using.

+1 to what Colin said on the Custom. I have not tried the 59/Custom Hybrid personally but I own a Custom Custom TB11 and have used it in several of my guitars. Love it!
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
I'm not sure it will make much difference with a Vox VT40 - assuming that is the amp you will be using.

+1 to what Colin said on the Custom. I have not tried the 59/Custom Hybrid personally but I own a Custom Custom TB11 and have used it in several of my guitars. Love it!


I know they will. The Washburn has far better pickups than the Ibanez.

I'm just worried the 59/Custom Hybrid won't clean up completely.
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