gambit1983
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I'm considering getting a warmoth build with these tone woods. I'm trying to see if there is a guitar that is made with these woods so I can maybe hear it before I get one made. Haven't had any luck. Is this a bad combo? Any responses with a link to a guitar would be appreciated.
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Some versions of the Parker NiteFly were made with swamp ash body, mahogany neck, and an ebony fretboard:

http://gtroblq.blogspot.com/2011/08/oh-wise-guy-eh.html

The Strat Genius = Parker NiteFly SA. Specifically, I am thinking of the relative handful that rolled off the lines during the golden days between Krog and Music Corp ownership (the "Ken Era").


The SA had a two-piece swamp ash body, a mahogany neck sheathed in a carbon glass fiber composite, a compound radius neck ('conical'), low mass headstock, locking tuners, and, among other innovations, stainless steel frets. The guitar is light, sustains 'for days' and, stays perfectly in tune despite all kinds of vibrato use, is rugged, and with a pickup swap, sounds great. The cool thing about the old NiteFly model was that, unlike the upscale Fly models, the NF was for 'guitar guys' that liked to modify stuff and swap out electronics. The frets were taller on the NF as well and the neck carve was in the vintage realm (chunkier) making them better players than the Fly. As futuristic as they look the NiteFly retains the vibe of a great old Tele or Strat.


And scroll down here:

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Builder_Profile_Gene_Baker_and_Premier_Builders_Guild

Dennis Fano’s PBGbuilt Alt de Facto PX6 is available with an alder, swamp-ash, or mahogany body (a flamed-maple top is optional), a maple or mahogany neck with a graduated 10"–16" radius, Lindy Fralin pickups, and aged-nickel hardware.


I didn't find any sound samples, but if makers like Parker and Fano are willing do use that combo, there probably isn't anything wrong with it,
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stormin1155
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Even if you were able to find a guitar with that wood combination there is no way of knowing if it would sound like the one you are putting together. I'm sure it will sound fine. If it doesn't, put the neck up on ebay and try something different.
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Swamp Ash is absolutely fantastic depending on what you're looking to play. If it were me, though, I'd get a Rosewood neck with an Ebony fretboard.

Rosewood necks give me really bad GAS.

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Quote by stormin1155
Even if you were able to find a guitar with that wood combination there is no way of knowing if it would sound like the one you are putting together. I'm sure it will sound fine. If it doesn't, put the neck up on ebay and try something different.



yeah, i'm just trying to get a better idea
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Quote by JustRooster
Swamp Ash is absolutely fantastic depending on what you're looking to play. If it were me, though, I'd get a Rosewood neck with an Ebony fretboard.

Rosewood necks give me really bad GAS.


rosewood ebony was my 2nd choice and again, i cant find any audio samples of it.
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If there was a sound difference between a mahogony and rosewood neck through your amp, I highly doubt it'd be noticable.

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I agree that it wouldn't really matter unless it was the exact pieces you were going to use.

Wood choice is much more important in terms of sustain and resonance than tone (in an EQ sense). Your pickups, scale length, and hardware will make leaps and bounds more difference there than wood will. I have personally found that species can vary more within themselves than they do with other species.

Pick wood based off of the weight, resonance, sustain, and of course visual aesthetics. Don't worry about the tone. Get an EQ pedal.
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Why would the tone wood matter to an electric guitar? I mean if the pickups are potted how exactly is the guitar going to project the tone of the wood after it's plugged in and has gone through pedals/pickups/amp/distortion etc... ???? You think you will hear some of the tone of the ash wood through potted pickups and all that electrical noise?
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Why would the tone wood matter to an electric guitar? I mean if the pickups are potted how exactly is the guitar going to project the tone of the wood after it's plugged in and has gone through pedals/pickups/amp/distortion etc... ???? You think you will hear some of the tone of the ash wood through potted pickups and all that electrical noise?


Yes?
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Quote by Offworld92
I agree that it wouldn't really matter unless it was the exact pieces you were going to use.

Wood choice is much more important in terms of sustain and resonance than tone (in an EQ sense). Your pickups, scale length, and hardware will make leaps and bounds more difference there than wood will. I have personally found that species can vary more within themselves than they do with other species.

Pick wood based off of the weight, resonance, sustain, and of course visual aesthetics. Don't worry about the tone. Get an EQ pedal.


yeah i thought about the pickups, scale length, and hardware before the wood
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what top should i get, mahogany, quilted maple or flame maple?
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Birdseye or burled maple.
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Birdseye or burled maple.


Genius.
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I was surfing the net one day and saw a burled maple LP style guitar with a cherryburst...it looked like the surface of the sun, complete with sunspots. The right piece can be simply gorgeous.
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Quote by gambit1983
what top should i get, mahogany, quilted maple or flame maple?



Well, there's also flamed koa, claro walnut and black walnut, burled mahogany, maple burl, spalted maple, birdseye maple, Australian Myrtle burl, tulipwood, magnolia, Maracarpra, Bubinga and Lava Bubinga, Shedua, Spalt Beech, White Limba, Zebrano, Amboyna Burl, Wenge, and much more.

Why not get creative?
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Wood is...beautiful. I know some good sites, if you're looking.
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gambit1983
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Quote by dspellman
Well, there's also flamed koa, claro walnut and black walnut, burled mahogany, maple burl, spalted maple, birdseye maple, Australian Myrtle burl, tulipwood, magnolia, Maracarpra, Bubinga and Lava Bubinga, Shedua, Spalt Beech, White Limba, Zebrano, Amboyna Burl, Wenge, and much more.

Why not get creative?


I want whats best for the tone of the guitar. As of now I'm actually thinking of keeping the whole body swamp ash. I think 4 different woods is too much.