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Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1162
thought that would increase survivability, increase utility (mainly in dealing with invulnerability mobs) and provide a more automated and simple way to cull.

empires grasp and suckwave totem culling strike IIR faster casting (maybe knockback? can see if it works in a 4l)
wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1163
Y'all read about the new controversy?

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3hqun1/an_extensive_recap_of_the_voc_knowledge_bomb/

Chris Wilson's statement: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804

Apparently people lots of people are buttsore about this, I'm too ignorant to feel anyway about it. Though apparently this ties into why exalts have been going up and up.
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1164
They'll continue going up.

I "hedged" my currency yesterday by buying 2 Ex. Other than that, no big deal.

Not sure I like the new meta of having to throw fuses at a 6s base in order to get your 6L staff, but I guess the good thing is +3's are readily available (amongst other good rares).
SteveHouse
trys hard, loves the game
Join date: Dec 2005
40 IQ
#1165
why did people get mad about this? (although i guess a high-frequency indexer is kind of exploitative, it only is because there's an accepted standard which is itself third-party, so you're still not exploiting PoE)

also thank you for link to much clearer explanation than rynnas had to offer

[IN PHIL WE TRUST]


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Last edited by SteveHouse at Aug 21, 2015,
Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1166
Quote by SteveHouse
why did people get mad about this? (although i guess a high-frequency indexer is kind of exploitative, it only is because there's an accepted standard which is itself third-party, so you're still not exploiting PoE)

also thank you for link to much clearer explanation than rynnas had to offer

The biggest thing people got mad about is when Ventor lied to the community about the interaction of the mods with scours and Qarl responded with "that's not how it works" and then subsequently deleted the comment without context. That lent a massive mountain of credibility to a deliberate lie (the assumption was that he deleted the comment upon realizing that Ventor's bold claim was right) and combined with the very high cost of testing the interactions essentially ended all speculation on strange interactions such as what was revealed yesterday. This allowed the few people who did know about the interactions to make massive amounts of currency and presumably RMT them.

The logic behind removing the comment was that GGG are against influencing the community with information related to the crafting system. But in practice that's exactly what they did and that's where a lot of the salt is. Plus most of the people who we know were abusing these mechanics are grade-a basement douches.
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1167
Quote by SteveHouse
why did people get mad about this? (although i guess a high-frequency indexer is kind of exploitative, it only is because there's an accepted standard which is itself third-party, so you're still not exploiting PoE)

also thank you for link to much clearer explanation than rynnas had to offer


Most of what Voc said is a bunch of BS anyway. I doubt anyone is using neural networks for this. It is much simpler to just figure out valuable searches and code them yourself.

I am very intent on making an indexer to do exactly the same thing in beating out xyz. Just waiting til the dire straits of the oil patch leave me unemployed again so that I have incentive to work on it.

One problem the other guys are having is acquisition is made by the same guy that runs xyz, so he has an acquisition "auto-update" link for only himself. Most indexers rely on detecting post bumps to determine when something is updated, but xyz is able to do it using the acquisition notify link. He's in a sense given himself complete marketshare of the trade programs by doing this as acquisition is used by 2/3 PoE players and Procurement by 1/3.

If I was in his boots, I would start charging a premium for a more advanced version of acquisition. GGG would be forced to act decisively else the xyz guy makes a ton of money off of people that are just "supporting" a community dev and not RMTing.

Edit: I've been wondering about where the line between what is RMT and what isn't is drawn, though.

For example:
I have over 100 stash tabs. Not only do I have ~15 tabs allocated for my owner personal trading, I have another ~15 tabs allocated for doing trades for Thrashtastic15.

I have a domain for my own indexer which I have paid something like 10 dollars to register and 10 bucks a month afterword.

What is the difference between me just putting this money into a mirror? I'm still spending money on the game in order to receive an (in game) economic benefit. The only difference is I'm not doing it explicitly in the money for currency sense. I am doing it indirectly.

The whole game gets reduced to a whole RMT-but-anti-RMT circlejerk. The richest players are still benefiting from their ability to spend money on things like private servers and indexers, as well as abundant amounts of stash tabs. I'm not even rich, yet it still has benefited me to the point where I've easily made 30 ex this league while still managing a full time job.
Last edited by CaptainRon at Aug 22, 2015,
SteveHouse
trys hard, loves the game
Join date: Dec 2005
40 IQ
#1169
i didnt see anyone say anything about neural networks lol, just that they have quick, specific searches on their indexers
Quote by Thrashtastic15
The biggest thing people got mad about is when Ventor lied to the community about the interaction of the mods with scours and Qarl responded with "that's not how it works" and then subsequently deleted the comment without context....
The logic behind removing the comment was that GGG are against influencing the community with information related to the crafting system. But in practice that's exactly what they did and that's where a lot of the salt is.

okay. gotcha. that makes sense.

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SteveHouse
trys hard, loves the game
Join date: Dec 2005
40 IQ
#1170
i found a nearly-2k evasion chest, in Junk if you guys think is worth anything

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CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1173
Hey Lark, remember how I told you how I was going to die?

Well, I got to Ledge in cruel, came across a rare box, ID'd it, saw the freeze, and for some stupid reason figured I could flask my way through the freeze. Rip.

So while I was wrong about dying to an unid box, I still died to a freeze box, and it's much worse, because I knew it was a freeze box and still opened it.

The worst part is I died really slowly. Slowly enough that I hit escape, had my mouse over "log out", then panicked and accidentally exited out of the menu instead of logging out, and then still almost managed to log out again afterword.

This is why I don't hardcore.

I realized that my build wasn't going to work out anyway, which kinda ruined things for me around the time I got to dominus.
Last edited by CaptainRon at Dec 13, 2015,
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1175
Ye.

I'm just running a braindead arc witch on softcore because I can't be bothered to try to figure out a build with the current state of Shadow and I just want something I can build up without playing PoE like it's a second job. Decided to give hardcore a shot now that they've removed a lot of the burst damage by making it so things like packs of goatmen and rhoas can only damage you 1 at a time. It didn't work because I do stupid things.

Trying to keep things under control given that I have less discipline than a meth head and have to still have to do work 3 days a week.
Last edited by CaptainRon at Dec 13, 2015,
wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1176
Quote by CaptainRon
Hey Lark, remember how I told you how I was going to die?

Well, I got to Ledge in cruel, came across a rare box, ID'd it, saw the freeze, and for some stupid reason figured I could flask my way through the freeze. Rip.

So while I was wrong about dying to an unid box, I still died to a freeze box, and it's much worse, because I knew it was a freeze box and still opened it.

The worst part is I died really slowly. Slowly enough that I hit escape, had my mouse over "log out", then panicked and accidentally exited out of the menu instead of logging out, and then still almost managed to log out again afterword.

This is why I don't hardcore.

I realized that my build wasn't going to work out anyway, which kinda ruined things for me around the time I got to dominus.


Oh shit I didn't realize yall were using this thread haha. Well that's a bummer man, fucking freeze boxes will do it. I haven't considered trying to log out before death, but I think I just get too cocky to the point where I'm convinced I'm going to live up until the very moment I die, hahaha.

I've lost three toons in hardcore now but last night's death hurt the worst, particularly because I could tell the build was actually going to work (you know, if I didn't play stupid).

Two shadows in their 40s dead in act 4 norm both running blade vortex - way too squishy of a build.

And last night's death was my 59 non crit arc templar in cruel. Was stacking crazy amounts of hp nodes. Died to a ghosted teriskakriai or w/e that fucker's name is in koam's area - the unique rakango thing. I almost had him but that fucker was pumping out some hurt.

I bet the mapping process in hardcore is stressful. I just flat out wouldn't even attempt some bosses, which sucks cause I know a part of me would be pushing me to rush in and do it.
Last edited by wafflesyrup at Dec 21, 2015,
wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1177
Anyways I'm getting on now to roll another HC toon. Bladefall witch this time w/ Vaal pact. The new support controlled destruction is freaking tits for making non crit spellcasters since it uses the More dmg modifier instead of Increased. Gonna link that up with conc effect. Should be a heavy hitter.
nanna_guy414
misanthrope
Join date: May 2006
187 IQ
#1178
So, is this game any good?
SANDBLAST YOURSELF.


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Wake up sheeple.

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wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1179
Quote by nanna_guy414
So, is this game any good?


I really like it, one of my favorites. But I suppose it depends what you're into.
wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1180
Son of a fucking bitch. Finally got into mapping on hardcore with my new build. Shit was absolutely rocking. Non crit arc templar. Arguing with my dad while I was mapping, not paying attention and RIP on the three boss fight in the Arena map at level 75. That's 5 characters dead in hardcore. Taking a break.
Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1182
i'm actually pretty excited waiting for the download to finish. there's a lot of new things and they are exciting. stepping away was a good move i think, the poe tolerance break seems to have been a success in more ways than one. didn't know how much i missed playing this game at least in the context of a few maps a day until just now. gonna casually play a ranger and just enjoy relearning the game. =)
Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1183
Quote by Thrashtastic15
i'm actually pretty excited waiting for the download to finish. there's a lot of new things and they are exciting. stepping away was a good move i think, the poe tolerance break seems to have been a success in more ways than one. didn't know how much i missed playing this game at least in the context of a few maps a day until just now. gonna casually play a ranger and just enjoy relearning the game. =)

nvm cunt game wont work properly connection issues that only exist in this game
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1184
It's over a month in, so I'm sure whatever economy-breaking exploit that they've added to the game has been revealed by the noble streamers and the economy ruined for regular players that aren't so blessed to have discovered the exploit. If I'm right, then that means we're within 2 weeks of them announcing the end of the leagues and effectively killing off whatever player base remains.

I'll feel more inclined to grind it out again when they can guarantee me that a league won't be abruptly ruined by some flawed decision-making by GGG and when they can guarantee me that a league will be playable for more than a month.

tl;dr: Still salty about the stupidity with ghost busting and not fixing what was obviously going to be a problem before the league started. Also still a bit salty about the metacrafting decisions. Salty about 3 month leagues after a major release because they fucked up the economy so bad.
Last edited by CaptainRon at Jan 14, 2016,
Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1186
so, this league is actually pretty good. not quite as good as ambush but its definitely a similar feel. started a day behind but already got my character ready for maps comfortably and working well on my way towards picking up a kaoms and 5 linking my bow. playing ea and its pretty cruise

i bought a tabula for like nothing with these coins u get as drops and sold it for 20c was great

i also bought these nice gloves for 8 chaos and they have an enchant from the ascendency maze shit that shoots out like an arctic breath style nova chilled ground on hit. so its like having a free chill ground cwdt its pretty sick
Last edited by Thrashtastic15 at Mar 6, 2016,
Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1188
Quote by CaptainRon
Mark the date.

Today I found a 6L Imperial Bow.

congatulations on your 6 link lioneyes
Thrashtastic15
socialist cuz bernie xd
Join date: Mar 2009
10 IQ
#1189
when your hideout is so clean a guy adds you as is friend during a trade and periodically joins your hideout to just chill
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1190


Coward's Trial.

Remember how I wanted to stick to one build the entire league?

...yeah

So, what can I do now that involves a 6L Shav's, Skyforth, and (probably) a Void Battery?

I'm thinking Ice Spear + CoC + something to give more pack penetration. I would either do a Shadow for the crit ascendancy or witch for prolif ascendancy. Just my first thoughts - I have no idea what kind of builds can be done now.

I fully anticipate selling my vuln helm for some serious loot... probably enough to cover the Void Battery. My one totem jewel will easily yield 2 ex+ if I can find a buyer.

Edit:

This also might mean I'm going for 100 this league. Depends on what kind of build I can do (if it's playable to 100) and if it will constantly need upgrades (I want something to continually upgrade so I have reason to keep playing). My problem with what I have now is even if I traded the Skyforth for 25 ex, there's pretty much nothing I could do to make my current build better.

Alternatively, suggestions on a GG Mara build are also good. Preferably taking advantage of the fact that I have a 6L Carcass + 25 ex boots + 3 ex jewels + 4 ex currency.

Edit2: Is there a such thing as a low-life bow build?
Last edited by CaptainRon at Mar 23, 2016,
wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1192
Hello?

Someone come play POE with me.

Got my first uber atziri kill this league with the bladefall poison mine shenanigans.

Thinking about jumping over to the hardcore league to restart though.
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1194
It has changed quite a bit over the last 2 years. The passive tree is significantly different and mapping has changed a fair bit. I haven't played the current league, so I can't comment on any of the recent stuff.

I would wait until a new league. I think they started the current one June 2 and they tend to go 3 months now, so I imagine the next one will be in a month or so. I believe there have also been hints towards a new expansion, but I haven't really paid any attention in a while.
Last edited by CaptainRon at Aug 5, 2016,
gonzaw
UG's Secret Agent
Join date: Mar 2007
4,771 IQ
#1195
I always got a little frustrated with PoE because I always got stuck in Act 3 Cruel (got only 2 characters up to that point).
It feels like at that point the game forces you to spend lots of time trading or A HUGE lot of time grinding, mostly for new gear (it's at that point that I feel self-found gear fails). It's too much of a change of pace IMO and I never got enough time for the grinding nor enough motivation to get into that whole trading stuff (which seems exhausting, at least considering I want to spend 100% of the time slashing monsters, not haggling, waiting hours for a dude to show up to trade, painstakingly check every single stat on every single gear to decide which one to get, etc).

It's too hardcore for me ;_;
Last edited by gonzaw at Aug 6, 2016,
wafflesyrup
Registered User
Join date: Aug 2011
60 IQ
#1196
It's got a bit of a learning curve. I still love the game my self. Rumor is the new expansion (Atlas of Worlds I think they're calling it) is to be announced pretty soon here, like within a week or something.

As far as clearing content up until end game, a lot of the difficulty boils down to your build. Some builds will shit on pretty much all the content up until they start mapping with minimal gear ( firestorm comes to mind), others, not so much.

However there does quickly come a point in the game where, if you're unwilling to participate in trading ( not to mention the grind it self), you will definitely lose steam and soon after motivation to continue playing unless you enjoy flipping over to a new toon/making new builds. The game is definitely built around player trade, with little in-game assistance to facilitate such.

I've taken 4 toons so far into mapping this league. Just started what's going to be a crit based elemental spectral throw Raider. I'm excited to level it.
Last edited by wafflesyrup at Aug 6, 2016,
CaptainRon
UG Newbie
Join date: Aug 2008
10 IQ
#1197
They added trading to premium tabs which effectively replaced 3rd party inventory tools for me last league. The tabs were P2W when I was playing but maybe they give a free one now? Not sure.

You still have to rely on poe.trade though.
Last edited by CaptainRon at Aug 6, 2016,