dazzzer30
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I am hoping to pick up a new guitar next week so far I like the look of the- ESP Horizon NT-II - . I want something i can play fast and learn to shred, really fast alternate picking ,hard rock and metal . I have long hands big fingers i am hoping the NT II has a big scale but i have only seen pic until i go to the shop to see it for real .
Just wondering what people think of the guitar or anything else that you think might be a better choice or I might like to try before i go to a guitar shop -
Velcro Man
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it'll have the same scale as most guitars, 25.5, but any ESP is a complete waste, there's literally no difference between ESPs and LTDs. If you're just learning, look for something affordable, mid-range LTDs and Schecters are excellent
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Quote by Velcro Man
it'll have the same scale as most guitars, 25.5, but any ESP is a complete waste, there's literally no difference between ESPs and LTDs. If you're just learning, look for something affordable, mid-range LTDs and Schecters are excellent

I am not just learning played guitar for years , I am just looking to improve in soloing and my picking speed ,
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OK, we know you want something suitable for harder rock genres, and you want something with a little extra specs for your large hands.

What's your budget?

Where are you located and are you only willing to buy what you can try? If so, what is available where you live?

Are you wanting new or will you consider used?
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Velcro Man
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Well, changing guitars isn't really going to make THAT much difference, it'll feel better, but won't improve anything. If you're looking for something to shred, the most comfortable necks are thin necks from companies like ibanez and jackson, from my experience, LTDs and Schecters are a bit meatier.

Ibanez RG/S series guitars, Jackson Dinky/Soloists/RRs are shapes I would look at. Just try to find a guitar with good hardware and a thin neck and you'll be happy, but I wouldn't expect any kind of improvement to your technique, that comes from practice. People like Paul Gilbert can shred on a Les Paul just as well as an Ibanez, it just comes down to what you like.

Don't let big hands turn you off from small necks, it doesn't really matter, people with sausage fingers play the **** out of mandolins and violins, once you give your hands about a week to adjust, it feels so nice.
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dazzzer30
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
OK, we know you want something suitable for harder rock genres, and you want something with a little extra specs for your large hands.

What's your budget?

Where are you located and are you only willing to buy what you can try? If so, what is available where you live?

Are you wanting new or will you consider used?

I am in the UK , I want new guitar , i will try the guitar shops if they don't have at lest the ones i want to try i can order online too. price range 1500.00p pounds -
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The Horizon is an excellent guitar. Very very light if you're into that. Neck is quite thin and would do just fine for shredding. The other guitarist in my band uses one, he won't play anything else now (FYI he switched from a high end Schecter)

Quote by Velcro Man
it'll have the same scale as most guitars, 25.5, but any ESP is a complete waste, there's literally no difference between ESPs and LTDs. If you're just learning, look for something affordable, mid-range LTDs and Schecters are excellent


Completely false, the fit and finish, the build quality, heck even down to the factory setup are completely different. Would I go as far as to say that they are FAR superior to an LTD? No, but there definitely is a very noticeable difference between the two brands and its for the better.
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Quote by RCA1186
The Horizon is an excellent guitar. Very very light if you're into that. Neck is quite thin and would do just fine for shredding. The other guitarist in my band uses one, he won't play anything else now (FYI he switched from a high end Schecter)


Completely false, the fit and finish, the build quality, heck even down to the factory setup are completely different. Would I go as far as to say that they are FAR superior to an LTD? No, but there definitely is a very noticeable difference between the two brands and its for the better.


Build quality is perfect on LTDs, their ESP line is just redundant, finish might be more limited, but that's hardly worth paying for, maybe if they were $25 difference, guitars aren't meant to be played, they're not furniture. Factory set up is completely irrelevant, we should all know how to set up a guitar and everyone has different action preferences.
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Yeah, try for an older Ibanez, they have good necks, don't cost a lot, and have decent electronics. I cannibalized my GAX70 after I played it into the ground, took a pick-up and the potentiometers and put them into a Telecaster Deluxe body, I use it for crust-punk, so the sound is good for loud music. Ibanez's necks are thin enough to make all you squeelies and diddalies.
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Oh, and Ibanez is based out of Spain if I remember correctly, so, it's still in a different country, but closer.
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But regardless of the brand, don't get a weirdly shaped guitar, they are often more expensive just for a different shape, which won't resonate as well, eventually ending up being a regret after the novelty of a crazy shape wears off..
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Ibanez = Japan

The only reason a guitar would resonate and unpleasant way is because it's made of wood, tonewood is a complete and total myth, body material and shape only affects the sustain.
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Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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I have to admire your persistence. I've gotten to the point where my eyes roll back in my head when I see another "what guitar should I buy?" thread. Usually it's "I'm thinking about buying this _____________ and just want to see what the consensus is." And that's followed up eight hours later by, "Well okay, there are some _____________haters here, but I went ahead and bought the ____________ and it should be here in three days."

By the time I'm ready to buy a guitar, I *know* what I'm getting. I'm nearly laser-focused on it, and only a truly crap example of one will thwart things. I don't go somewhere and try a bunch of them (usually there aren't a bunch of any of what interests me around and besides, I usually buy used); playability is a matter of my handing the guitar to a particular tech who knows how I want it to play. Doesn't matter much what the guitar is. Unless the guitar is so poorly built or so badly bent out of shape, it'll play beautifully when he's done. I long since know what the pickups sound like. I don't wait for something to "speak to me."

And the very last thing I'd do is ask a forum for "consensus." I'm the only one who has to play the darned thing, and what in the world would I care what anyone else thinks of it? [/RANT]
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I have to admire your persistence. I've gotten to the point where my eyes roll back in my head when I see another "what guitar should I buy?" thread. Usually it's "I'm thinking about buying this _____________ and just want to see what the consensus is." And that's followed up eight hours later by, "Well okay, there are some _____________haters here, but I went ahead and bought the ____________ and it should be here in three days."

By the time I'm ready to buy a guitar, I *know* what I'm getting. I'm nearly laser-focused on it, and only a truly crap example of one will thwart things. I don't go somewhere and try a bunch of them (usually there aren't a bunch of any of what interests me around and besides, I usually buy used); playability is a matter of my handing the guitar to a particular tech who knows how I want it to play. Doesn't matter much what the guitar is. Unless the guitar is so poorly built or so badly bent out of shape, it'll play beautifully when he's done. I long since know what the pickups sound like. I don't wait for something to "speak to me."

And the very last thing I'd do is ask a forum for "consensus." I'm the only one who has to play the darned thing, and what in the world would I care what anyone else thinks of it? [/RANT]



For me, shopping is a hobby. Helping others shop for things I know about lets me play around with money that isn't mine, and occasionally, I actually help someone find something they really love. "Bonus points" for me if it was something that the purchaser didn't know about before I started helping.

When I help others shop for things I know little or nothing about, I generally learn something. Sometimes, I learn that I don't give a damn about what we're shopping for.

With guitar shopping in particular, I get even more of a kick. I'm in Texas, and when I started shopping for my first electric- knowing nothing, guided by no one- I was presented with all the Gibsons, Fenders and Ibanez guitars I could ask for...and not a one really grabbed me. When I finally found what I wanted, I had to special order it. (That store now sells more guitars of that brand than most others in the region.)

So when I find someone wondering and wandering in he world of guitars, I try to offer the help that I didn't have.
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Fernandes is another company to consider. They cater to hard rock musicians with higher output pickups and nice necks. These three models are all 25.5" scale.

http://www.fernandesguitars.com/classic-series/revolver-classic.html
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/revolver.html
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/vulcan.html
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So when I find someone wondering and wandering in he world of guitars, I try to offer the help that I didn't have.


I usually do, too. My medication has now kicked in and I'm back in helpful mode <G>.
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I vote for schecter: well built, neck feels great. Mine is a bit heavy but I don't really care about it.
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I loved my Schecter XXX until it was stolen but for that "shred" feeling, I like the Ibanez and Jackson's. Maybe its just showing my age...
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I know this might not be an issue for some but i would prefer a nut size of 43mm / tried 42mm and i was a bit cramped having big hand and finger don't help , I noted ESP have mostly 42mm nuts I think Ibanez do 43mm so I think i might get an Ibanez for the fact it will have a wider nut its a shame really cuz i was going to get the ESP Horizon NT-II . I am not sure what Ibanez model to get
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Quote by dazzzer30
I am in the UK , I want new guitar , i will try the guitar shops if they don't have at lest the ones i want to try i can order online too. price range 1500.00p pounds -


Yeah as has been said, ibanez prestiges (or j customs if you're very lucky) and USA Jacksons would be the main rivals to ESP from the big guys.

Vigiers are very nice too, some of the cheaper Suhrs might be under budget, too. Maybe USA charvels as well. French-made Lags as well (though I've only tried the cheaper Chinese-made ones). A USA BC Rich Gunslinger might be under budget too, but whether you'll actually find one in the UK, I dunno. You'd probably have to import from the USA (and again, like with Lag, I've only tried the cheaper ones).

Probably some other very obvious ones I'm forgetting

EDIT: if you're worried about the nut then Vigier has the smaller 42mm nut. Lag maybe too, I'm not 100% on that. The USA Jacksons should be 43mm. The vast majority of the Ibanezes are 43mm but an odd model here and there over the years has been 42mm so that's worth bearing in mind. Charvel normally is 43mm I think. Suhr you normally have the option of nut width so it just depends on which one you come across. I think the BC Riches are normally wider too (but again, check to be sure).

Almost any of the Ibanez prestiges should be good. If you see one you like the look of post it here and we can confirm.
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dannyalcatraz
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Can you actually get a Vigier for £1500?

I'm in the USA, and I've been lusting after their Surfreter for at least a decade. Those cost @$3000, last I checked...
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^ Yeah the cheaper models are under £1500. At least if you get luckyish.

I got my bass for £500
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