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ali.guitarkid7
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#81
I won't pretend my English is better than yours, but I don't think that's what 'throwaway' means What was his original script? This I didn't know.


And I remember a lot more support for the move to sending the decision to congress, from both US parties (which I'm guessing is rare). A lot of the anger was mainly in the UK, although that might just be how they usually hold discussions there. Shit was foreign.
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homeless-john
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#82
To be honest, I'm stunned that Russia isn't a giant smouldering crater by now. Also Putin makes me laugh despite all the terrible stuff he does so why not?

It's not like it matters anyway.
Cianyx
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#83
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
I won't pretend my English is better than yours, but I don't think that's what 'throwaway' means What was his original script? This I didn't know.

To be fair, I used the word 'throwaway' in a throwaway manner.
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#84
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Because the use of drones isn't the ****ing same as military support, funding and training to people who execute babies at point blank?

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Killing babies point blank is worse than killing them by remote control?
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ali.guitarkid7
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#85
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Killing babies point blank is worse than killing them by remote control?

The part where it's intentional is what I find despicable. I'm not promoting or encouraging one loss over another. Don't twist my words around.
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xxdarrenxx
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#86
Maybe it's a (piss poor) attempt at making him more peaceful.

like; "you got the award, now act like it".

The "Re-incarnation of Plato" Award 2009
(most intelligent)
The "Good Samaritan" Award 2009 (most helpful)

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DardySon
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#87
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
Because the use of drones isn't the ****ing same as military support, funding and training to people who execute babies at point blank?

At least they have the balls to kill the babies face to face. They're not killing them anonymously from behind a desk on the other side of the world. Get off your fucking high horse.
Shredwizard445
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#88
Oh guys, every government in the world is driven by the economic structure of war and it's subsequent generation of industry. Alongside the lobbying interest of the economic powers that have invested in these industries

So saying that any particular nationality/allegiance is more or less ethical/peaceful is silly. Assuming that any particular figurehead/leader isn't operating with the interests of these economic/industrial powers in mind with his/her agenda is more silly.

You guys don't like Putin because he's like....the least identifiable of all of the mass murderers that decided that politics would be the way they should control people.

The Bush family has ties to the Bin Laden family, the Carlyle Corporation has ties to the Bush family. The Chinese, Russian, and U.S.' sixth generation of multipurpose fighter jets were all finished developing at around the same time period. They were recently armed after the madness that is Kiev, and the recent "terrorist" attacks in southwest china.

All of this death and violence is part of an international agenda.....duh

This peace prize is a veiled pat on the back for Putin, for having gotten away with so much orchestration of death.
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Arby911
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#89
Quote by DardySon
At least they have the balls to kill the babies face to face. They're not killing them anonymously from behind a desk on the other side of the world. Get off your fucking high horse.


Are you high? Or just stupid?

The point was deliberate v. unintentional, not the method used...FFS
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Jackal58
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#90
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Are you high? Or just stupid?

The point was deliberate v. unintentional, not the method used...FFS

I opt for stupid.
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#91
Quote by Shredwizard445
Oh guys, every government in the world is driven by the economic structure of war and it's subsequent generation of industry. Alongside the lobbying interest of the economic powers that have invested in these industries

So saying that any particular nationality/allegiance is more or less ethical/peaceful is silly. Assuming that any particular figurehead/leader isn't operating with the interests of these economic/industrial powers in mind with his/her agenda is more silly.

You guys don't like Putin because he's like....the least identifiable of all of the mass murderers that decided that politics would be the way they should control people.

The Bush family has ties to the Bin Laden family, the Carlyle Corporation has ties to the Bush family. The Chinese, Russian, and U.S.' sixth generation of multipurpose fighter jets were all finished developing at around the same time period. They were recently armed after the madness that is Kiev, and the recent "terrorist" attacks in southwest china.

All of this death and violence is part of an international agenda.....duh

This peace prize is a veiled pat on the back for Putin, for having gotten away with so much orchestration of death.

macashmack
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#92
Of all humans, babies are the best to kill. They don't do shit and they are worthless. Same with children, and old people. We don't like to kill them because they are small and helpless and they are the future(not the old people), but there's always going to be more babies. An adult has actual responsibilities and people that rely on them etc. Killing an adult does a lot more damage than killing a dumb little baby.

-Babies
-Children
-Old people
-Adults

That's the order of the least damaging to most damaging to society if killed.
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Arby911
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#93
Quote by Shredwizard445
Oh guys, every government in the world is driven by the economic structure of war and it's subsequent generation of industry. Alongside the lobbying interest of the economic powers that have invested in these industries

So saying that any particular nationality/allegiance is more or less ethical/peaceful is silly. Assuming that any particular figurehead/leader isn't operating with the interests of these economic/industrial powers in mind with his/her agenda is more silly.

You guys don't like Putin because he's like....the least identifiable of all of the mass murderers that decided that politics would be the way they should control people.

The Bush family has ties to the Bin Laden family, the Carlyle Corporation has ties to the Bush family. The Chinese, Russian, and U.S.' sixth generation of multipurpose fighter jets were all finished developing at around the same time period. They were recently armed after the madness that is Kiev, and the recent "terrorist" attacks in southwest china.

All of this death and violence is part of an international agenda.....duh

This peace prize is a veiled pat on the back for Putin, for having gotten away with so much orchestration of death.



I think you forgot this...

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

And the intent of this page also applies...

http://www.cracked.com/funny-44-conspiracy-theories/
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DardySon
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#94
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Are you high? Or just stupid?

The point was deliberate v. unintentional, not the method used...FFS

Obviously you're missing my fucked up sense of humour.
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#95
the Nobel Peace Prize doesn't have any integrity anymore, they're just Putin all over it now
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#96
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
The part where it's intentional is what I find despicable. I'm not promoting or encouraging one loss over another. Don't twist my words around.

There's a few questions here still. Who decides the intent? A regime says "we were targeting rebels and terrorists that pose a threat to national security and unfortunately we hit civilians, oops." Who decides that they targeted civilians intentionally? Am I talking about Syria, the US, Israel... does the answer change depending on who we are talking about? Keep in mind that widely publicized "evidence" of human rights abuses are often grossly exaggerated or even fabrications. The Nayirah testimony comes to mind. Further it often depends on who is telling the story as to who are the bad guys.

If a government provides support in the way of weapons, money, and training to a regime that ends up killing civilians and committing war crimes then can you really say the leader of the government providing support is a baby killer?

Just to be clear the US has and still does the same thing (provides military aid to regimes that violate human rights), you just don't hear about it as often or as publicly. And when you do hear about it the public and the media are divided either offering justification or criticism of such support.

When it's China, or Russia however the western media and public are typically more united in it's condemnation and we only see the evidence that supports the opinions of the media or person reporting the story.

My point is that arguing intent is a waste of time.

I agree instead with the original observation to which you objected, namely that they are ALL as bad as each other.

Very few, if any, really decent people make it to the top in the world of politics. Consequently the nobel peace prize should rarely, if ever, go to politicians.
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#97
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If a government provides support in the way of weapons, money, and training to a regime that ends up killing civilians and committing war crimes then can you really say the leader of the government providing support is a baby killer?

but what if all along...that was their intent!?
ali.guitarkid7
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#98
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1) There's a few questions here still. Who decides the intent? A regime says "we were targeting rebels and terrorists that pose a threat to national security and unfortunately we hit civilians, oops." Who decides that they targeted civilians intentionally? Am I talking about Syria, the US, Israel... does the answer change depending on who we are talking about? Keep in mind that widely publicized "evidence" of human rights abuses are often grossly exaggerated or even fabrications. The Nayirah testimony comes to mind. Further it often depends on who is telling the story as to who are the bad guys.

2) If a government provides support in the way of weapons, money, and training to a regime that ends up killing civilians and committing war crimes then can you really say the leader of the government providing support is a baby killer?

3) Just to be clear the US has and still does the same thing (provides military aid to regimes that violate human rights), you just don't hear about it as often or as publicly. And when you do hear about it the public and the media are divided either offering justification or criticism of such support.

4) When it's China, or Russia however the western media and public are typically more united in it's condemnation and we only see the evidence that supports the opinions of the media or person reporting the story.

5) My point is that arguing intent is a waste of time.

1) You can review the UN reports detailing abuses. Or you can review reports made by various human rights groups. You could find some reporters who've been inside. You could go on Youtube and find some vids, there are plenty now I'm sure. Or you can take my word for it, whatever floats your boat. The point is not to play devil's advocate here, or whatever it is you're doing.


2) Yeah, I can. It's been done before. This isn't a new concept. If I help a murderer by providing money and a way for him to kill unpunished, others might take up issue with that. If you want to question the extent of Russia's help to Al Assad, please go ahead and read like one generic news article on the matter. I don't care about your failure to comprehend a 40-year old regime's connection to soviet/federation Russia and their ability to commit human rights abuses.

3) "But all the other kids were doing it!" hardly seemed like a valid excuse in primary school, so let's not apply it to intl. politics.

4) I don't care if you think I'm biased. I don't care if western media is biased. I really don't give a shit. I fail to see why you're trying to educate me on media bias and the truth about the Assad regime's crimes.

5) My point is that I really, really don't give a flying **** about this argument. The killings were purposeful. Russia knows this. Most countries know this. I don't give a shit whether discussing their perpetrator's intent is a waste of time. Most courts seem to think it's not a waste of time, so I don't know, maybe an accident isn't much the same as a purposeful crime?
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