#1
Since i'm tired of getting my Ampeg damaged by electric current issues, and despite my complaints the electrical company is unable to guarantee a trouble-free service in my area, i'm thinking of selling my Ampeg GVT and getting a new amp.

So, i guess it's back to solid state (or hybrid) technology for me. At least until i can afford a proper power conditioner/voltage regulator, which cost upward of 1000€ -- way too much for me right now.

Modelling amps are not an option, i have my pedalboard the way i want it and just need an excellent clean channel to run it through.


Budget? - i'm counting on making 400-500€ selling the Ampeg, so around that.

Requirements? - combo amp. Upwards of 50 watts. One 12" speaker. It needs to take pedals extremely well. Preferably with an excellent clean channel to run my pedals through.

I know it's next to impossible, but perfection would be a Fender-like clean channel (to run my pedalboard through, and for home/personal use), and a modern high-gain drive channel (for use on my metalcore band).

New or Used? - i'm fine with either, but the used equipment selection in Portugal is a bit limited.

Home or Gig? - both, and it will be used for everything. Bedroom practice, band rehearsals in the studio, small gigs without being mic'd up, big gigs being mic'd through the PA...

Current Gear? - please check my signature.



Ideas so far:
  • Peavey 6505+ 112
    Cons: it's tube, but it has a reputation of being tough as hell, so i don't know if it could even handle these electrical issues. Lacks a usable clean channel, which is a huge downside for me. It's extremely heavy, at around 30kg.
    Pros: it's tube. It's cheap, at 469€ brand-new. Has a solid reputation. It'd be excellent for use on my metalcore band.

  • Orange Crush Pro CR60C
    I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but it seems an interesting concept -- a high end solid state amp.
    I have no idea how good is the clean channel, but the fact that it misses a "Middle" knob in the EQ sort of annoys me.

  • Fender Champion 100
    I also haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but if it takes pedals as well as the previous FM 212/Frontman 212 models, it might be an option. As with the Orange Crush Pro, the missing "Middle" knob in the EQ sort of annoys me.

  • A bass amp
    This might be a crazy idea, but maybe it could work. I thought of it because of two factors: Fender Bassman were originally bass amps that ended up working great for guitar. And Josh Homme used bass amps when he played guitar on Kyuss (on the other hand, i don't play stoner nor sludge metal)...



Thank you for your help!
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#2
Not very experienced in amps so I can't help much, but the peavey is a good amp for metalcore. If you're wanting fender-like cleans, I'd stay away. I like the cleans, but that's because I like sterile cleans that can be coloured with chorus and reverb. Because of its FX loop, it can take modulation pedals really well, but mine seems to cut the volume down when the FX loop is active.
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#3
SS amps will blow up with power surges too, man. But Roland JC60 is the go. They are one half of a JC120. ie one of the two power amps and a single 12" speaker. Watch Ebay and CL for a while until one pops up for a decent price.
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#4
Is it possible to find a used 5150 III 50 watter in your price range? I'm not sure what the used price range is in Portugal...
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#5
Quote by Cathbard
SS amps will blow up with power surges too, man. But Roland JC60 is the go. They are one half of a JC120. ie one of the two power amps and a single 12" speaker. Watch Ebay and CL for a while until one pops up for a decent price.

I've had quite a few solid state amps at home over the years and never had a single problem with them. I still have my first amp, a Fender Frontman 15G, and it works and always worked perfectly.
The Ampeg GVT was my first tube amp, and only when it started breaking down i noticed the electric issues. I've had other tube amps at my home before, but they were borrowed so they only stayed for a couple of days at a time.

I've always loved the Roland Jazz Chorus, but i never could find a used one in my price range. They're pretty rare around these parts.

Quote by barden1069
Is it possible to find a used 5150 III 50 watter in your price range? I'm not sure what the used price range is in Portugal...

Nope.

For reference, right now there's a EVH 5150 III head for 1,250.00€ on the used market.
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#6
The old Yamaha G100 212's are pretty good too. They made a lot of them in the 80's. Maybe you can find one of those? Similar sound to a JC, they were each other's main competition back in the day.
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#7
Quote by Cathbard
The old Yamaha G100 212's are pretty good too. They made a lot of them in the 80's. Maybe you can find one of those? Similar sound to a JC, they were each other's main competition back in the day.

Thanks for the suggestion, but i couldn't find any.

The used market here is really poor.
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#8
Here are some power conditioners for way less than €1000
this is €109 www.thomann.de/gb/samson_powerbrite_pb10.htm
this is a better one €167www.thomann.de/gb/samson_powerbrite_pb10_pro.htm


But it could be that amp, I have not heard good things about their reliability at all
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#9
What blows?

I think we've had this conversation before?
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#10
I think the old Peavey Stereo Chorus combos might be worth a look too, those things tend to be built like tanks.
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#12
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I think the old Peavey Stereo Chorus combos might be worth a look too, those things tend to be built like tanks.

I'd like one of those, but i can't find them anywhere...

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What blows?

I think we've had this conversation before?

Yes, we talked about this issue before.


The first time, it was one of the stock Ruby 6L6 power tubes that went (they were replaced by a matched pair of Groove Tubes).

The second time, a 220 uf / 65 volt condenser and a 1N 4007 rectifier diode were replaced.

The third time, it was a 220 uf/65 volt condenser, a 1N 4007 rectifier diode, a .47pf / 400 volt condenser, a 220 ohm 1/4 watt resistor and a 1.6 Kohm 1/4 watt resistor.

Now, i have a repair quote that says that it'll probably need those same parts to be replaced again (condensers, resistors, rectifier diode), a new set of 6L6 power tubes and 2 new transformers (both the input and output ones).
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#13
That's some serious shit. Buy one of those line conditioners Rob showed you. That sort of surge can't be good for anything. I'm surprised you don't have TV's exploding and toasters coming to life and trying to take over the world.
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#14
Quote by Cathbard
That's some serious shit. Buy one of those line conditioners Rob showed you. That sort of surge can't be good for anything. I'm surprised you don't have TV's exploding and toasters coming to life and trying to take over the world.

Apart from the Ampeg, i don't have any problems. (Well, the lamps flicker all the time and they seem to last less than they were supposed to.)

But everything else works fine, and we have lots of equipment: pool motor, motorized gates, TVs, laptops, a high-end hi-fi, a couple of solid state amps (bass and guitar) and pedals, multi-fx units, etc., dishwasher, clothes washing machine and drier, microwave, oven, toasters, and so on...
I simply assumed the Ampeg was especially sensitive, since it's a tube amp.
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#15
Mesa- Exactly what you are looking for and built like a tank.

Buy a small Honda genset to power your rig with clean sine wave power that you control.
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#16
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Mesa- Exactly what you are looking for and built like a tank.

For 400-500€? Somehow i doubt it.
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#17
Power wasn't particularly clean back when tubes ruled the roost and shit didn't blow up all the time. What you're describing sounds pretty unsafe to me.
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#18
Quote by Cathbard
Power wasn't particularly clean back when tubes ruled the roost and shit didn't blow up all the time. What you're describing sounds pretty unsafe to me.

Now you're leading me to think what i didn't even want to consider: that maybe my Ampeg has some hidden fault, or a design error or something like that.

Because i've been living on that house for over 15 years, and i only even noticed the voltage oscillations after i got the Ampeg.
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#19
Quote by Cathbard
Power wasn't particularly clean back when tubes ruled the roost and shit didn't blow up all the time. What you're describing sounds pretty unsafe to me.


+1
Sounds like an amp problem, not a power problem.
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#20
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For 400-500€? Somehow i doubt it.


Hmmm, I bought my Mesa used in "like new condition" for $650 (450E) a while back but you guys do things differently in the EU.
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#22
Quote by Linkerman
For reference, right now there's a EVH 5150 III head for 1,250.00€ on the used market.

Wow, my bad. The Peavey's in this thread are probably good recommendations. Maybe consider a Carvin V3 or V3m if you can find them? I looked into them a while back and they have a lot of modern gain on tap and good cleans.
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#23
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Do you find these cleans to be "unusuable?" :
https://soundcloud.com/kailm-1/ambient-stuff-1

It's hard to say with that much reverb and delay...

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Wow, my bad. The Peavey's in this thread are probably good recommendations. Maybe consider a Carvin V3 or V3m if you can find them? I looked into them a while back and they have a lot of modern gain on tap and good cleans.

The only used Carvin i've ever seen for sale was a Legacy combo for 600€ a few months ago.
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#24
Quote by barden1069
The Peavey's in this thread are probably good recommendations. Maybe consider a Carvin V3 or V3m if you can find them? I looked into them a while back and they have a lot of modern gain on tap and good cleans.


This is a good suggestion. I have a V3 and they have great cleans. The drive channels have plenty of gain and you can definitely get a good tone for metalcore out of them. It's not going to sound like a 6505, though. So, if you are wanting a "standard" metalcore tone you should pass, but it definitely will get you a great, usable sound.

That being said, you specified a 1x12 combo in your initial post. The V3 only comes as a head and you can get a 2x12 cab from them (or get a cab elsewhere). The V3m comes in a 1x12 combo. I'm not certain how big a difference there is in the sound in the V3m, but I've heard it's reasonably comparable.
#25
Quote by Linkerman
It's hard to say with that much reverb and delay...


The only used Carvin i've ever seen for sale was a Legacy combo for 600€ a few months ago.


Who said anything about playing cleans without reverb and delay???

But seriously, I don't know that many people who play clean without adding some effects to it.
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#26
Quote by Cajundaddy
Hmmm, I bought my Mesa used in "like new condition" for $650 (450E) a while back but you guys do things differently in the EU.
Not just the EU, man. Mesas are expensive everywhere outside of the US and the shenanigans that Mesa pull with their overseas distributors makes it appear that that's exactly how they want it to be. A Mark V costs like $5K new here. Even used, they're never gonna be sub $1k, not a chance in hell. And you can't just buy an American one and swap the power transformer because Mesa want something like $800 for a 230V one!
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#27
You want me to get a Mark IV/V and send it to you Cath?

They don't have multi tap tranny's? it seems to be it would cost way less to do that. I guess you'd be better off getting a step-down power supply huh?

The US still hasn't figured out that 220v is a better, more economical than 110v for houses
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#28
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You want me to get a Mark IV/V and send it to you Cath?

They don't have multi tap tranny's? it seems to be it would cost way less to do that. I guess you'd be better off getting a step-down power supply huh?

The US still hasn't figured out that 220v is a better, more economical than 110v for houses


Sure we have, but the rejiggering that would be necessary would cost hundreds of billions of dollars...just imagine a single large city trying to replace all their household electronics, and the costs that would be incurred.
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#29
Quote by KailM
Who said anything about playing cleans without reverb and delay???

But seriously, I don't know that many people who play clean without adding some effects to it.

Very often i like using a clean tone with just a little bit of reverb.
Actually, i think reverb is the only effect i absolutely couldn't live without, and i only use it in very noticeable amounts for post-rock. Usually i have it at a very subtle setting.


_______

I thought about what's been said in this thread and about my previous talks with Cathbard regarding these issues with my Ampeg, and yesterday i contacted a company that works in amp building, repairing and restoration.

Today they came to pick up the amp to analyse and give me a repair quote.
I asked them not only to see which repairs are needed, but also to look for possible design flaws and/or components that may be of bad quality or even the wrong components for the job. That i want to know if it's possible to make the amp absolutely reliable, and how much/what it would take.

Because i really love the amp. It has exactly the tone that i was looking for. I hope its problems can be solved permanently, so that i don't have to sell it and can keep using it as my main amp once again.
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#30
Quote by Cathbard
Not just the EU, man. Mesas are expensive everywhere outside of the US and the shenanigans that Mesa pull with their overseas distributors makes it appear that that's exactly how they want it to be. A Mark V costs like $5K new here. Even used, they're never gonna be sub $1k, not a chance in hell. And you can't just buy an American one and swap the power transformer because Mesa want something like $800 for a 230V one!



https://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/product_info.php?category_id=10016460&products_id=10061395

I don't know anyone who owns a a Mesa Mk V. They are strictly for the "More money than brains" set, like $10k tribute guitars from Gibson and Fender. Plenty of really solid used Mesas around in the $500-$800 range though. They are reliable workhorses for gigging musicians and have been tested on world stages for 40 years. Call me a fan.
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#31
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https://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/product_info.php?category_id=10016460&products_id=10061395

I don't know anyone who owns a a Mesa Mk V. They are strictly for the "More money than brains" set, like $10k tribute guitars from Gibson and Fender. Plenty of really solid used Mesas around in the $500-$800 range though. They are reliable workhorses for gigging musicians and have been tested on world stages for 40 years. Call me a fan.


Nonsense. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but why must you be a douche about it?

The Mk V is available sub $2k if one looks, and will do all the classic Mesa sounds, from the Mk I to the Mk IV, plus a lot of other tonal options that none of those will do. If you look at it from the perspective of the amps it can replace, it's a freakin' bargain!

If you had said that about a Dumble Overdrive Special (or a Trainwreck), I might have had to agree with you...
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#32
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Nonsense. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but why must you be a douche about it.


Oops sorry if I touched a nerve there. I just always found it kinda pathetic when an intermediate guitarist who is not even gigging believes he needs $10k in gear to find "his tone". EVH, SRV, Page and Jimi could find their tone pretty easily with a Squier Strat, a few pedals, and a Fender Champ.

I am sure a Mesa Mk 5 is a magnificent amp. Top of the mountain. If Mesa wanted to give me one for product placement at my gigs I would gladly use it. I would certainly never buy one with hard earned $$ though. YMMV
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#33
Quote by Cajundaddy
Oops sorry if I touched a nerve there. I just always found it kinda pathetic when an intermediate guitarist who is not even gigging believes he needs $10k in gear to find "his tone". EVH, SRV, Page and Jimi could find their tone pretty easily with a Squier Strat, a few pedals, and a Fender Champ.

I am sure a Mesa Mk 5 is a magnificent amp. Top of the mountain. If Mesa wanted to give me one for product placement at my gigs I would gladly use it. I would certainly never buy one with hard earned $$ though. YMMV


I think it is kinda pathetic when someone that can not/will not afford something tries bashing those who can

I'll just go play my PRS, that is so over priced and tell you what your missing out on
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#34
Quote by Cajundaddy
Oops sorry if I touched a nerve there.


You didn't, you just came off poorly.

Quote by Cajundaddy
I just always found it kinda pathetic when an intermediate guitarist who is not even gigging believes he needs $10k in gear to find "his tone".


I don't disagree, we do people a disservice if we teach them that everyone needs the most expensive gear available.


Quote by Cajundaddy
EVH, SRV, Page and Jimi could find their tone pretty easily with a Squier Strat, a few pedals, and a Fender Champ.


Perhaps they could, but they didn't. Every one of them played on the best gear of the era they could find and when that wasn't good enough they had companies make special gear...

Quote by Cajundaddy
I am sure a Mesa Mk 5 is a magnificent amp. Top of the mountain. If Mesa wanted to give me one for product placement at my gigs I would gladly use it. I would certainly never buy one with hard earned $$ though. YMMV


Not, it's just an incredibly versatile mid-range amp. No more and no less.
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#35
Quote by Arby911

Perhaps they could, but they didn't. Every one of them played on the best gear of the era they could find and when that wasn't good enough they had companies make special gear...


Negative. They all played on beat up second hand schite until after they sold their first 100,000 records... at which time dozens of companies offered to help them out with their specialty tonal needs. Page recorded Zep I and Zep II with an old Tele and a 15w no-name Supro amp while onstage we saw those awful Acoustic guitar stacks with the bullhorns in them. Product placement.

Ever get a good look at EVH's gear before their 1st album? I did in 1975 Gazzarri's. It was all a science experiment with bits and pieces and wires going everywhere.

Jimi didn't buy amps at all: http://www.jimihendrix.no/index.php/jimi-hendrix-wiki/the-amps.html Product placement thanks to Jim Marshall.

His guitars: http://www.jimihendrix.no/index.php/jimi-hendrix-wiki/the-early-days.html

It's the fingers, not the gear: http://www.jimihendrix.no/index.php/jimi-hendrix-wiki.html

Ultimately though we all want what we want. If you have unlimited resources, no reason to skimp on your gear so buy whatever you like. It does help the economy and makes the music world go around. For the rest of us working musicians who pay for our gear with earned gig money it's a different story.
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#36
Quote by Cajundaddy
Negative. They all played on beat up second hand schite until after they sold their first 100,000 records... at which time dozens of companies offered to help them out with their specialty tonal needs. Page recorded Zep I and Zep II with an old Tele and a 15w no-name Supro amp while onstage we saw those awful Acoustic guitar stacks with the bullhorns in them. Product placement.

Ever get a good look at EVH's gear before their 1st album? I did in 1975 Gazzarri's. It was all a science experiment with bits and pieces and wires going everywhere.

Jimi didn't buy amps at all: http://www.jimihendrix.no/index.php/jimi-hendrix-wiki/the-amps.html Product placement thanks to Jim Marshall.

Ultimately though we all want what we want. If you have unlimited resources, no reason to skimp on your gear so buy whatever you like. It does help the economy and makes the music world go around. For the rest of us working musicians who pay for our gear with earned gig money it's a different story.


You made my point for me, which was simply that as soon as they could have better gear, they used it.

I note you didn't mention SRV again? That Dumble Steel String Singer on "Texas Flood" a little too pricey to support your claim? Or the 32 amps Diaz says he bought whilst recording "In Step"?

For that matter, why do you use a USA tele and strat? Wouldn't a couple of MIM's or Squier CV's work just as well?
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
Last edited by Arby911 at Mar 12, 2014,
#37
Yep, we are in complete agreement. When top drawer gear is completely free and you even have a paid roadie to roll it in for you... go for it. Jamming in your garage on your dime? Not so much.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis
#38
Quote by Robbgnarly
You want me to get a Mark IV/V and send it to you Cath?

They don't have multi tap tranny's? it seems to be it would cost way less to do that. I guess you'd be better off getting a step-down power supply huh?

The US still hasn't figured out that 220v is a better, more economical than 110v for houses
I was thinking about that but as you know, I gig a lot. I know that I need to use a step down tranny but other ****ers wouldn't it. It has a standard IEC plug - what are the chances of some smartarse going "this fits in here, shove it in" resulting in a plate voltage of what? 900V? I could see it all ending in tears.
I would really like a Mark V (or IV) but it's not really practical once you pay shipping and shit. I've got the RM100 now anyway so I don't need it.


And as for '"More money than brains" set' comment - suck my dick.
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