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LucasGtrGod
Wishes he was Mahler
Join date: Sep 2003
130 IQ
#2881
Haha. My previous comment was mostly trolling.

But yes, you're correct about the cycles. It's like the anti Star Trek pattern. Every odd one, rather than every even one.
RiffYourFaceOff
burned and died
Join date: Oct 2010
10 IQ
#2884
Quote by Magero
Nocturnal is totally Star Trek II.

WITHOUT GUILT I BREAK THESE VEINS
CARVED WITH SALVATION'S KHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN

I will forever hear that now when I listen to that song.

Nocturnal is still my favorite of their albums.
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Hoots Man!
Join date: Jun 2006
80 IQ
#2885
New album was better than I expected it would be, but still not as good as some of the others.
Top lel.
NosferatuZodd09
Maiden thread -> Barf
Join date: Feb 2007
792 IQ
#2886
gotta say I really like Map of Scars the tab helps that too hahaha. tbh so far I think this album really kills Ritual in a lot of aspects
LucasGtrGod
Wishes he was Mahler
Join date: Sep 2003
130 IQ
#2889
Quote by NosferatuZodd09
gotta say I really like Map of Scars the tab helps that too hahaha. tbh so far I think this album really kills Ritual in a lot of aspects


I gotta' ask, but what is it people don't like about Ritual. I find it to be classic Black Dahlia Murder, but with a big slap of variety in riffs and rhythms, making it their most exciting and enjoyable album for me.

It also has their best riffs, and vocals, and lyrics, and production. It's also the only Black Dahlia Murder album I've been able to listen to all the way through, which is funny because they generally aren't that long.

So I'm genuinely surprised when I not only hear people say they don't like it, but when it also seems the consensus amongst fans is that it was a drop in quality. Especially when it was so well received critically.
rg_metal
The Clit Commander
Join date: Aug 2005
230 IQ
#2890
I find this trend everywhere in Metal... and really just music in general. People are cynical and jaded about the music they listen to and it gets to the point where people will disagree with perfection because they have nothing better to do with their lives I guess.

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He swallowed black nail polish and shat the word 'motherfucker' onto a non-metal kid. Rad.

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NosferatuZodd09
Maiden thread -> Barf
Join date: Feb 2007
792 IQ
#2891
I don't think anyone thought Ritual was a drop in quality [much less from Deflorate lol] everyone here fellates and bukkakes Ritual for that matter. I'm finding this album more intriguing and creative riffwise. I like the solos more. In a way not as varied but some songs in Ritual sank low as hell for me.

Malenchantments for example.. most of the riff work in that song was just boring and tedious for me. Save for the 7/8 section and the riff right after it. I detest the intro to The Window.. and something about the simplicity of their pedal tone riffs just didn't sit too well with me most of the time in that album (I love Blood in the Ink and The Grave Robber's Work though). I don't seem to enjoy many songs as a hole just bits and pieces of them.

I enjoyed the intricacies in rhythm and structure in riffs from say Nocturnal or Miasma. Whereas on Ritual it became a lot more streamlined. I do appreciate the variety but sometimes, IMO, the faults in execution brought it down a lot lower than anything on Everblack. Or in general I might like it but not as much as any of these other 3 albums. Like it's good melodeath and maybe some of the best nowadays.. but that doesn't necessarily mean much to me. It has some good riffs, some great (that fast 16th note run in Crucified.. 7/8 part in Malenchantments) and some boring ones imo (basically most of Malenchantments lol) ... but yeah this is far from perfect for me. The character and tone of the solos seems a tad too upbeat most of the time..

My train of thought has derailed so that's all I have to say for now lol.
Dead_Pleasures
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2006
10 IQ
#2892
Quote by Magero
I actually feel the exact opposite. Best production they've ever had, most boring riffage they've ever had.


It boggles my mind that anyone can think theyre riffs are less in quality. They've stayed mostly the same in my opinion, what exactly makes them boring compared to the songs of theirs you think aren't?

And i dunno if you listen to music out of monitor speakers like i do or like the kinda guitar tones i do for that matter (middy and crisp with only enough bass in them to make them strong; what others call "Pedal Tone"[at least i thnk thats what they mean im not sure please correct me if im wrong]) but the guitars arent as clear and crisp as on other albums and they get drowned out by the bass guitar and bass drum and sometimes the fills. They seemed to make the lead tones more crisp which is understandable but still its a let down as i envied them their tones on nocturnal, deflorate and ritual.

Another thing is trevors vocals either have reverb on them or were done in a room without sound treatment and in turn adds to the muddiness i speak of.

Of course i know many metallers LOVE muddy recordings. Who the flip knows why.
Geldin
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Join date: Sep 2008
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#2893
Quote by Dead_Pleasures
And i dunno if you listen to music out of monitor speakers like i do or like the kinda guitar tones i do for that matter (middy and crisp with only enough bass in them to make them strong; what others call "Pedal Tone"[at least i thnk thats what they mean im not sure please correct me if im wrong])

When people say pedal tone, they mean in a theory context; there is a central note that is pedaled to between melody notes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_point
Magero
Nothing to say, Bats?
Join date: May 2006
1,160 IQ
#2894
Both of the last posts pretty much sum up why I dislike the newie.

On Ritual, the band was clearly trying to expand their riff lexicon with different rhythms and patterns, ideas, etc. On the new album, the only song that even remotely feels like it's "trying" is Every Rope a Noose. Every other track is literally composed of simplified versions of previous BDM riffs. It's uninspired with no life or real "kick". I find myself zoning out while listening to it, because nothing that happens is as groovey or interesting as Ritual or Nocturnal.

Production wise, it's crisp and clean and perfect, I have no idea what DP is talking about. No mud whatsoever. It's basically the same production job as Ritual, tbh.
NosferatuZodd09
Maiden thread -> Barf
Join date: Feb 2007
792 IQ
#2895
Even though I can see that, I can also tell a lot of the riffs are quite derivative from Nocturnal [in Ritual] and they're up a bit in complexity in Everblack lol. If anything it's the pedal point riffs (sort of the majority of their riffwork in basically all albums) in Ritual that feel incredibly simplified/lazy when juxtaposed with Miasma and Nocturnal :/ same with the tremolos..

I see what you mean by the rhythm part.. but aside of the nifty Den of the Picquerist I'd say it was pretty fail with abortions like Malenchantments lol or On Stirring Seas.. :/ if anything I feel like Everblack's an improved version of Ritual. Although it is missing a standout riff like that fast run in Carbonized haha.

Bottomline is I guess I just find Everblack more interesting musically or guitar-work-wise :S which is why I like the intricacies in Miasma and Nocturnal as opposed to the more incredibly simplified Deflorate and slightly more streamlined Ritual.
Burning_Angel
Valar Morghulis
Join date: Jun 2006
250 IQ
#2896
I'll be honest, I dont like this band, havent for years. Most of their stuff strikes me as being almost exactly the same with variances in how technical it might be or how annoying the vocalist is. But this really made me lol.
Quote by Dead_Pleasures
Of course i know many metallers LOVE muddy recordings. Who the flip knows why.

I havent listened to the whole thing but Magero is right. It's crisp and clean and clear and honestly? It sounds so incredibly processed it sounds fake to me.
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Magero
Nothing to say, Bats?
Join date: May 2006
1,160 IQ
#2897
Quote by NosferatuZodd09
Even though I can see that, I can also tell a lot of the riffs are quite derivative from Nocturnal [in Ritual] and they're up a bit in complexity in Everblack lol. If anything it's the pedal point riffs (sort of the majority of their riffwork in basically all albums) in Ritual that feel incredibly simplified/lazy when juxtaposed with Miasma and Nocturnal :/ same with the tremolos..

I see what you mean by the rhythm part.. but aside of the nifty Den of the Picquerist I'd say it was pretty fail with abortions like Malenchantments lol or On Stirring Seas.. :/ if anything I feel like Everblack's an improved version of Ritual. Although it is missing a standout riff like that fast run in Carbonized haha.

Bottomline is I guess I just find Everblack more interesting musically or guitar-work-wise :S which is why I like the intricacies in Miasma and Nocturnal as opposed to the more incredibly simplified Deflorate and slightly more streamlined Ritual.

Fair enough, I just feel the exact opposite Malenchantments and On Stirring Seas are two of my favourites because of the rhythmic patterns. Totally unlike them, and they pull it off. However, I really do feel that the pedal tone riffs on Everblack are WAY more simplistic than the ones on Ritual. Listen to the At the Gates worship in The Window's verse riff, and then compare it with the first few tracks from Everblack. It literally feels like Everblack should have come out AFTER Deflorate, and before Ritual to me.

But hey, opinions, etc
NosferatuZodd09
Maiden thread -> Barf
Join date: Feb 2007
792 IQ
#2898
haha I was thinking about that actually, the first track is actually really simplistic as you mentioned, most of the others do change though and become more complex. it seems on Ritual most of them were like, **** pedal points, all of them will be the open strings.

That's hilarious though, well maybe it's the -core connection, you like your.. chugs and what not, personally I like it when it's.. done better lol. It seemed fairly dull and uninspired, a lot like the intro to Into the Everblack. Except they at least spiced that up with some octaves haha. I noticed on those they also kinda used what I call "cliche" death metal riffing to where it's like OMG LOOK GUISE WE CAN BE DEATH METAL TOO, but it quite isn't? haha.

Check out Map of Scars though that one's probably my favorite haha. I like what they're doing with the sustained arpeggios.
Dead_Pleasures
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2006
10 IQ
#2899
Quote by Magero
. It literally feels like Everblack should have come out AFTER Deflorate, and before Ritual to me.

But hey, opinions, etc


Im with you there definitely.

Still loving the whole album though.I dont mind that the riffs are a bit on the simple side cause as long as its pleasing to the ears im fine with it. Not every riff has to be a hand breaker to be awesome.

My fav song has to be Sepukku.
Magero
Nothing to say, Bats?
Join date: May 2006
1,160 IQ
#2900
It's all about the dynamics for me. Those slower tracks give that album a much more even pace, just as Den of the Picquerist helps balance out the "even faster" side. I still love Nocturnal more than anything, but on the whole "Everblack in comparison to their other works" topic, Ritual feels like their most advanced album to me. Everblack does feel a bit like a watered down version, opposed to a refined version, at least to me.

Least it's not a shit album tbh.
NosferatuZodd09
Maiden thread -> Barf
Join date: Feb 2007
792 IQ
#2901
Well I think the refinement went into making some of the types of riffs on Ritual more complex. I think the impression from the first track overpowered anything else you heard though tbh. What I noticed is they took away from parts that I found as detrimental in Ritual and added in others that I also saw the same way, as if they tailored it for me to like it better. hahaha.

I don't really see it as advanced in any way beyond "oh look we have more technically able solos now" Because the riffs are that much simpler than Nocturnal. They have more leads now though, albeit some are still fairly simple but effective (The Raven).

I guess I can see what you mean but when it comes to dynamics or changes.. the note movement and the note choice have to be interesting to me, and well in this case, for me, it wasn't lol. I felt like they decided oh hey let's add one of those funky start stop riffs, no don't bother to make it our own. In a way it's like my favorite albums of theirs seem to be more.. dense in some way? where as Ritual feels way thin. lol

Anyway my order's probably like... Nocturnal > Miasma > Everblack > Unhallowed/Ritual
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RiffYourFaceOff
burned and died
Join date: Oct 2010
10 IQ
#2903
Actually I haven't listened to it yet, but I did like the track that Ryan did the demonstration video with. I think I'll listen to it tonight.
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