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sinister2491
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#82
Quote by MaxerJ
Wow that's interesting because i can not write lyrics then music- probably just because i've got so many tunes that i don't have words for.


hmm im opposite. i can write 10 song drafts a day but play with the same couple of riffs for a week or two
JeffNitro101
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#83
Quote by sean1990strat
i cant seem to combine lyrics with anything like a chord progression is there sumthin that can help me do that

when you sing the song you have to hit the same notes as in the chord progression so if the guitar is playing an A your voice has to match that tone
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superdanny79
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#84
I combine my lyrics with some tabs and make a good ass song!!
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#85
Quote by sean1990strat
i cant seem to combine lyrics with anything like a chord progression is there sumthin that can help me do that


It's not clear from your question whether you've got the music and are trying to fit lyrics to it, or you've got lyrics and are trying to fit music to them.

Lyrics serve several different purposes. From a purely compositional perspective, the primary function of lyrics is to give structure and form to the vocalist's toning. Words aren't so much the issue when you come from this place, what matters are how the words are shaped, where the stops and starts are--just like any other compositional line. This is why jazz singers get away with scat singing.

A songwriter, by contrast, is trying to accomplish one of two things with lyrics:
2) tell a story or
3) describe a feeling/situation/setting
From a writing perspective, the music furthers the ideas put forth in the lyrics.

A truly successful song will mesh the feel of the music with the purpose of the lyrics (and vice versa).

So my questions to you are: what are you trying to accomplish? What's most important to you? What are you trying to say?

Once you know that, it should fall into place fairly quickly.
justintrevor
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#86
I seem to have alot of trouble singing and playing guitar at the same time. Every time I try either my playing or singing, or both get messed up somewhere in the mix. I can come up with some pretty good lyrics and a good rhythm with some nice licks, but I can never tell if it all sounds good together because i cant play and sing. Help?
Last edited by justintrevor at Mar 1, 2010,
cropcircles000
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#87
I write countless progressions riffs and solos but i have the worst time even to attempt lyrics.

If anybody has any tips it would be greatly appreciated.
llisyspa67
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#88
Songwriting is a very talented skill and it have so many technique for writing like some writer just visualize the sine in their mind and start writing.Some use rhythmic word at the end of the line
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#89
I haven't been keepin up to date with this thread, but personally I feel you can't tell someone what's best to do. Lyrics first or music first. It's like teaching someone YOUR playing style. So...I'm not much help haha.
I'm not the best at writing lyrics myself however, but personally I think they can be effective when they make you think about the meaning. Sometimes there shouldn't be a clear meaning?
I love Coheed And Cambria, for lyrical inspiration. Of course that is just me!

Peace!
Dmt8jr
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#90
well do you play guitar as well? i know that helps me alot with lyrics, i come up with a chord combination that expresses my mood (thats all songwriting is) and mix it up with some rhyming words that sound good and dont make it song like its a total rap. Come up with a tone, a rythym, and most of all know what your writing about.
Thomas Vela
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#91
Quote by Auals
^ that's basically all I was going to say

except for one thing, now i'm a little different, i normally write my lyris and then let them go, i have a melody line when i'm writing them, that's it and THEN, i'll go and play my guitar and write a chord progression or a riff that I like and i'll mold them together, thankfully for me though, I have a fairly large vocal range so I can work with a lot of things but otherwise just do what abhishek21 says, he knows what he's on about.

I didn't write my first song with music until i'd been writing for about one and a half years because I was just learning how to write, when you're starting out, things that you think are awesome, when you look back on them, arne't all that great, almost everything I wrote in the first one and most of my second years of writing I will never use fully as a song, maybe a verse here or there, a chorus somewhere, so don't be so eager to put music to your songs if you don't want to, its' all about finding your style and working with it, sometimes it's harder to find than other times.

Just because you listen to one style of music doesn't mean you're going to write like that, I listened to a HEAP of blink 182 when i was starting and now I only rarely write pop/rock songs, it's more acoustic, so just experiment.

Good luck

same here, i listen to death metal bands but i write acoustics (bar chords) softer love or sadness songs
Jacobrivers8
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#92
yea like ill write a song and then like the i kinda get an idea about what the lyrics should be about and write from there
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#93
Check out this guys music its brilliant, I tried to find my own videos on youtube Becasue I forgot my username and this guys videos popped up. The sound and video arent brilliant but the guitaring on "Here I Am Again" And his original songs arre great, take a look, also I found him on facebook!

LYRICS ARE BRILLIANT HES ONLY 17

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133163716715865

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrlewisforsyth
Stillanovice
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#94
Quote by justintrevor
I seem to have alot of trouble singing and playing guitar at the same time. Every time I try either my playing or singing, or both get messed up somewhere in the mix. I can come up with some pretty good lyrics and a good rhythm with some nice licks, but I can never tell if it all sounds good together because i cant play and sing. Help?


LOL I know the feeling, its frustrating... but I think its all about practice... just keep trying.
You could try to record it and then sing the lyrics along with it, then you'll be able to get a better idea of how it sounds. Thats what I do.
Hope that helps.
patches88
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#95
Quote by JeffNitro101
when you sing the song you have to hit the same notes as in the chord progression so if the guitar is playing an A your voice has to match that tone


Thats true but you can branch out into other notes you just have to treat the tone of you voice like your doing a variations of a scale so if your in A... A, B, C#, D, E, F# and G# are all acceptable if you use them right
alexbarty
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#96
since I don't have perfect pitch, I find it easier to write the chord progression first, then sing scales over each chord to know what notes to sing. or I'll just write a melody on a piano or guitar and play it over the progression and set it to lyrics
halo43
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#97
Quote by justintrevor
I seem to have alot of trouble singing and playing guitar at the same time. Every time I try either my playing or singing, or both get messed up somewhere in the mix. I can come up with some pretty good lyrics and a good rhythm with some nice licks, but I can never tell if it all sounds good together because i cant play and sing. Help?

Play the riffs and whatnot, and hum, whistle, croon, or skittelly scat bee boop dee dah over it. That'll help. Start with the humming, when you've got that down, move to something with vowels and consonants (like scat), and so on, until you can work the words in. It just takes a lot of practice. You'll get it if you keep at it.
vikasshetty
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#98
Quote by Auals
^ that's basically all I was going to say

except for one thing, now i'm a little different, i normally write my lyris and then let them go, i have a melody line when i'm writing them, that's it and THEN, i'll go and play my guitar and write a chord progression or a riff that I like and i'll mold them together, thankfully for me though, I have a fairly large vocal range so I can work with a lot of things but otherwise just do what abhishek21 says, he knows what he's on about.

I didn't write my first song with music until i'd been writing for about one and a half years because I was just learning how to write, when you're starting out, things that you think are awesome, when you look back on them, arne't all that great, almost everything I wrote in the first one and most of my second years of writing I will never use fully as a song, maybe a verse here or there, a chorus somewhere, so don't be so eager to put music to your songs if you don't want to, its' all about finding your style and working with it, sometimes it's harder to find than other times.

Just because you listen to one style of music doesn't mean you're going to write like that, I listened to a HEAP of blink 182 when i was starting and now I only rarely write pop/rock songs, it's more acoustic, so just experiment.

Good luck


Thanks Aual... it helped a lot.. it took some time .. but it sure works
ryan_patrick
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#100
try writing the lyrics with the guitar so that instead of adjusting you guitar to your lyrics, you can make your lyrics work around the guitar part.
Haz3l
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#101
how to combine chords with lyrics ???
hmm, thats a lil hard if you dont have experience...
i suggest this:
wright a song, try to imagine a beat or a ritm
with the accoustic guitar, use chords wich the tone maches with the tone of your voice.
and you have the basic part of the song done... xD

im new on guitar ... im not that good yet , put i play piano for long...

my guitars:
some crapy classic guitar
Ashton ag132, 5 pickups , 2 tones, and volume, its a copy of fender squier buller =P.

hope i helped xD (dont think so)
adodin
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#102
My approach to song writing is this. I have a little pocket sized book and a pencil on me at all times. Whenever a stray thought pops into my head, not even lyrical or anything just something I found interesting, I write it down. And just keep doing that. Also whenever I come up with a riff I'll record a video of it so I can see what I did and hear it (it comes in handy for develloping it later) I kept this up for around 4-5 months and now I've got quite a few pages of stray thoughts. When I write a few riffs that I think sound nice together I'll chain them together and record an audio/video file of those riffs and play it on repeat while reading through my book of stray thoughts. Usually some of those thoughts will jsut fit the music and I'll write those ones on a nice big piece of paper which I'll post in front of my desk. Then I'll just draw links between the thoughts. write rewordings of them that are a bit more lyrical put in a few metaphors things liek that. Then I'll play the riffs or jsut the chord progression if the lead riff is really complex and technical and I'll start saying/ singing/yelling whichever sentences on the paper seem to fit. eventually they just start lining up. and the song seems to flow naturally to me. Sometimes I add another step where I drop any trivial personal details from the song so it's easier to relate to but still has my touch. So far I've gotten some amazing feedback on the songs I've written and its cathartic writing them.

I know this isn't a nice quick one sitting approach and isn't too specific but once you get going I think you might be pleasantly surprised. It helps to get rid of the forced lyrics that you sometimes get when you jsut sit down and decide that you want to write a song.

Anyways its just my approach to song writing and I have a vocalist who does some amazing things with the lyrics I have so its nice not always having to worry about the vocal melody. Having a bit of collaboration can bring a ncie twist.
itsjustsimon
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#103
Im hearing all of this, but still not quite getting it. I can write lyrics fine but when it comes to composing I always draw a blank. And when I do compose, Im still stumped!
alien8 ent
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#104
record them in all the different ways you can think of. chop up the phrases and move them around with the loop playback on. you should find an interesting melody somewhere in there ,even if the words arent right. this way you dont have to be singing and can listen harder.....sometimes you have to trick yourself in to being creative.
seandwayne
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#105
I have a new guitar. Its called Grand Symphony Acoustic Guitar by Taylor Guitars! I'm new to guitars and I need a little help. Not to brag, but since I make so much money online, I have a lot of spare time and I decided to learn to play guitar!!! If you want to know a little more about my job its in my signature!
essayyweb1
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#106
Don't have idea but have got so many thing from this thread...
J_J-rocks
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#107
Quote by brekin_99
well i have some riffs that i made up but i dont no how to combine them in a song if someone could suggust some techniques or musical theroy that would be appreciatited.


Try Writing the riffs and the words together It Helps Me
VDuffield
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#109
Quote by sean1990strat
i cant seem to combine lyrics with anything like a chord progression is there sumthin that can help me do that


What you have to do is make sure it sounds good. Try matching the note. Then alter it!

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felixmaynard
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#110
Quote by broken_bottles
How to write a song in 6 easy steps -

1. Make sure you know G, Em, C, D. Am is also good.
2. Buy a capo.
3. Stick it on the guitar on any fret and play in G using above chords in pretty much any combination.
4. Write some lyrics about sex. Be descriptive. (See the inspiration thread)
5. Learn to sing falsetto, it makes you sound very clever and it's easy.
6. If this is impossible, then give up and learn bass.


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#111
Does anyone here make a song out of a vocal melody without using a guitar then add in music after?

It seems I have all these melodies but when I try to add guitar I end up losing it and when I try to make melodies with guitar it seems my voice pretty much just follows the chords (which always sounds generic for me anyways)
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pandyprashant
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#112
It seems to me that all you are missing out is a hook.
What is a hook? A hook will normally meet all or some of
following definitions:
1. A lyrical phrase that immediately engages the
listener this may either be strangely familiar or just
unusual and fresh.
2. Fits with music in terms of rhythm and melody.
3. Forms a pleasing sequence of sounds when sung or
spoken.
4. Has to be accessible - i.e. clear enough meaning.
As an exercise listen to lots of songs and see if you can
identify the hook or hooks and then look at what makes it a
hook (is it lyrical intrigue? Is it melodically pleasing or
infectious? Etc). Also try this with different music genres.

There's a really interesting ebook collection called Songwriting and Lyrics which you can download for free here: http://filerack.net/file/0T7ib
Last edited by pandyprashant at Jan 30, 2014,
abbhieruz14
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#113
Quote by broken_bottles
How to write a song in 6 easy steps -

1. Make sure you know G, Em, C, D. Am is also good.
2. Buy a capo.
3. Stick it on the guitar on any fret and play in G using above chords in pretty much any combination.
4. Write some lyrics about sex. Be descriptive. (See the inspiration thread)
5. Learn to sing falsetto, it makes you sound very clever and it's easy.
6. If this is impossible, then give up and learn bass.

nice one
NephthysAthena
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#114
Quote by pandyprashant
It seems to me that all you are missing out is a hook.
What is a hook? A hook will normally meet all or some of
following definitions:
1. A lyrical phrase that immediately engages the
listener this may either be strangely familiar or just
unusual and fresh.
2. Fits with music in terms of rhythm and melody.
3. Forms a pleasing sequence of sounds when sung or
spoken.
4. Has to be accessible - i.e. clear enough meaning.
As an exercise listen to lots of songs and see if you can
identify the hook or hooks and then look at what makes it a
hook (is it lyrical intrigue? Is it melodically pleasing or
infectious? Etc). Also try this with different music genres.

There's a really interesting ebook collection called Songwriting and Lyrics which you can download for free here: http://filerack.net/file/0T7ib


I have to agree with this. Although my hooks are usually earworms that I get when I hum random things throughout the day and they get stuck in my head unlike all the other random things I hum.

The problem with this is that sometimes they go away before I get a chance to write them down (I have to use paper, typing melodies up the way I notate them is a pain).

Another little problem I have is that all the "hooks" I use make really awesome choruses, so I have this pile of choruses with or without lyrics that have no verses to them. Can anybody give any advice on writing verse melodies? Is it because I almost always start with melody and then add lyrics? Like do I have to write some lyrics that match with the chorus and then add melody?

Thank you!

Kellie
João1993
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#115
write the rythm part on guitar listen to it and find a melodic line that goes well over it this is mostly imagination but you can grab another instrument to play something nice over it and then sing that lead part instead of playing it.
after doing this go to your yard smoke a cigarette with the song in your head and words wil pop in your head that fit that melodic line
once you got your theme open 5 pages of song lyrics that you like and fit your song meaning
steal words a line or 2 and build from that..

this is what I do
brendenpannell
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#116
I find that the best method when it comes to writing melody lines is to play the track over and over. while you do this, push record on your phone's memo-recorder. As the song/progression loops, sing different melodies. Be silly, try things you normally wouldnt use, and dont be afraid to try something you havent done before. When this is all done, listen to the recording. Take pieces you like from certain loops until you piece together a melody that sounds natural or more to the taste of what you were going for.
Teresa Anderson
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#117
Something that can help with melody/lyric matching is to record yourself singing the line one way, then another way right after. I always do it while also playing the guitar or piano chords. Listen back to it and see which way you like better. Keep doing this until you find the one you like the best. It's a good idea to do this with every line of your song. For each song section, once I've done the line wars for all lines of that section, play the whole section together to make sure they all fit.