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phattyhales
Everyday Driver
Join date: Aug 2005
187 IQ
#24881
Quote by Acϵ♠
that actually sounds like a lot of fun if the nordschleife is a track day not a tourist farter day


Both the Nordschleife and Spa are private track days yes. I'm jealous that I'm not on the crew list for that trip but we have a shoot this weekend in LA that's going to be good and we just wrapped up filming this years feature film which is also going to be sweet!
Acϵ♠
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#24882
$8400 usd huh? brb scrounging my couch cushions and piggy banks
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phattyhales
Everyday Driver
Join date: Aug 2005
187 IQ
#24883
Quote by Acϵ♠
$8400 usd huh? brb scrounging my couch cushions and piggy banks

Yeah USD. It's not cheap. But keep in mind it is all inclusive minus getting there. In other words, food, lodging, local transportation, all included. Not to mention a full day on each track in track rental cars with an instructor.
BobDetroit
►Motor City ♪
Join date: Jan 2009
514 IQ
#24884
I can buy a tube frame car and run local ovals for $8400.

This discussion reminds me of my buddy who researches every formula 1 track apex, but the one time he tried autocross he couldn't complete a single run without spinning out.
Acϵ♠
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#24885
local ovals? who cares about ovals lol this is the nordschleife and spa we're talking about
Quote by yellowfrizbee
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JustRooster
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Join date: Jan 2005
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#24886
Nurburgring is cool, but I'd rather run a track with lap times between one and two minutes. I'd like to feel a sense of progress and increased mastery by the end, instead of just noodling through corners.

Then you can objectively see your progress. I'd rather talk with the man who pulled two seconds off his Laguna Seca time than a guy who drove the ring.

To each their own, though. My best preference would be to do it all on gravel tires

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phattyhales
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Join date: Aug 2005
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#24887
Quote by BobDetroit
I can buy a tube frame car and run local ovals for $8400.

This discussion reminds me of my buddy who researches every formula 1 track apex, but the one time he tried autocross he couldn't complete a single run without spinning out.


While this is true, you can't really compare circle track racing to road racing. You can also buy a Spec Miata a do NASA or SCCA (US) too. Keep in mind that the $8400 includes meals, hotel, and local transportation for the week. It also includes a full day private track day on two different iconic tracks not just under the lights for 20 min heats. You don't even have to supply a car, they are provided. No maintenance expenses such as tires, oil, etc. It's not cheap, but it is cheaper this way than if you were to try and replicate the trip yourself.
Quote by JustRooster
Nurburgring is cool, but I'd rather run a track with lap times between one and two minutes. I'd like to feel a sense of progress and increased mastery by the end, instead of just noodling through corners.

Then you can objectively see your progress. I'd rather talk with the man who pulled two seconds off his Laguna Seca time than a guy who drove the ring.

To each their own, though. My best preference would be to do it all on gravel tires

I agree, however, the ring is a bucket list item for lot of people. It is more difficult to master and for better or for worse, more crowded. Technically the Ring is a toll road and not a track, timing is forbidden on public days. You can get massive fines if you crash and they find that you were timing yourself.
BobDetroit
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Join date: Jan 2009
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#24888
Quote by phattyhales
While this is true, you can't really compare circle track racing to road racing. You can also buy a Spec Miata a do NASA or SCCA (US) too. Keep in mind that the $8400 includes meals, hotel, and local transportation for the week. It also includes a full day private track day on two different iconic tracks not just under the lights for 20 min heats. You don't even have to supply a car, they are provided. No maintenance expenses such as tires, oil, etc. It's not cheap, but it is cheaper this way than if you were to try and replicate the trip yourself.
I've run ovals and I have a closet full of SCCA trophies.
What I'm saying here is for the $8400 it costs to go to fantasy race car driver camp you can actually buy a race car and drive in real races.
Acϵ♠
UG Board King
Join date: Apr 2006
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#24889
eh, id take driving someone else's cars on world renowned tracks over racing some ratrod tuber on redneck american ovals tbh.
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DukeDeRox
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Join date: Oct 2010
87 IQ
#24890
I mean it doesn't have to be ovals. Even my local oval has an infield for people to put lap times on. I think it would be really cool to build a time attack car and just run laps.

For my highschool graduation 8 years ago I was given a track experience and kart training which was really cool and taught me the basics. But if you already knew all that you could totally build a Miata for the same price and actually race if you wanted to.

The distinction is do you want to experience the track or a race?

Edit- I guess if you're rich you can afford to build a car and fly it to any track on earth.
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Xiaoxi
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Join date: Nov 2007
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#24891
The "cheapest" way to go on the 'ring:

1. go to german car dealership
2. request factory order with european delivery (hey, they even take a few thousands off)
3. $1000-2000 plane ticket and hotels
4. take delivery of your new car
5. couple of bucks for a tourist session around the 'ring
6. pray to every god that no one hits you, or track insurance maybe?

...modes and scales are still useless.


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JustRooster
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Join date: Jan 2005
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#24892
Quote by Acϵ♠
eh, id take driving someone else's cars on world renowned tracks over racing some ratrod tuber on redneck american ovals tbh.


Dude, dirt ovals are a fucking blast. You especially have to have brass balls to run open wheel.

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JustRooster
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#24893
inb4 Japan says they invented drifting.


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Arby911
Finding the Pattern
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#24894
Quote by Acϵ♠
eh, id take driving someone else's cars on world renowned tracks over racing some ratrod tuber on redneck american ovals tbh.


Have you ever done either?

I think you might be surprised.
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
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Acϵ♠
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Join date: Apr 2006
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#24895
I have, i've driven someone else's cars (very hard, like a good amount harder than they did) and someone else's bike around a couple local tracks--obviously not world renowned or anything though. Honestly, dirt track ovals or paved ovals in general just have never appealed to me. I would much, much rather drive a road course track.
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Arby911
Finding the Pattern
Join date: Jul 2010
832 IQ
#24896
Quote by Acϵ♠
I have, i've driven someone else's cars (very hard, like a good amount harder than they did) and someone else's bike around a couple local tracks--obviously not world renowned or anything though. Honestly, dirt track ovals or paved ovals in general just have never appealed to me. I would much, much rather drive a road course track.


As a driver, I prefer road courses as well, but there's something pretty visceral about pushing a 500hp, #2300 piece of iron around a 1/4 mile dirt oval with 12-16 other drivers all trying to lead the pack. It's not a sport for the faint hearted. When you're running in the middle of a 3-wide and sideways with cars on either side of you less than a foot away, precision driving is greatly to be desired.

FWIW, I'm not a NASCAR fan, finding it deathly boring, but dirt's a different animal entirely.
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phattyhales
Everyday Driver
Join date: Aug 2005
187 IQ
#24897
I used to go to the dirt track races all the time growing up. They are very fun. But they are also very different which was my original point. Those World of Outlaws winged sprint cars are awesome! The steering wheel isn't really for steering in those, instead it's the HOLD ON! bars. lol
Arby911
Finding the Pattern
Join date: Jul 2010
832 IQ
#24898
Quote by phattyhales
I used to go to the dirt track races all the time growing up. They are very fun. But they are also very different which was my original point. Those World of Outlaws winged sprint cars are awesome! The steering wheel isn't really for steering in those, instead it's the HOLD ON! bars. lol


Yeah, I love watching sprint cars...when they run...half the time is taken up getting them lit off and getting the push trucks off the track! (Not all classes, but the ones I was most used to, running alcohol and no starters...)

But watching one run a short oval and make a clean lap with the left front tire never touching down is pretty damned awesome!

I wonder if they have to build the cages any different to accommodate the monster sets of balls the guys driving those things have?
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
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phattyhales
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Join date: Aug 2005
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#24899
Quote by Arby911
Yeah, I love watching sprint cars...when they run...half the time is taken up getting them lit off and getting the push trucks off the track! (Not all classes, but the ones I was most used to, running alcohol and no starters...)

But watching one run a short oval and make a clean lap with the left front tire never touching down is pretty damned awesome!

I wonder if they have to build the cages any different to accommodate the monster sets of balls the guys driving those things have?


They are ridiculously fast for not having a transmission too. Most people don't know that they are 800 hp and direct drive! The cages have to meet certain restrictions but have you seen the crash test videos of them? Oh man they are dangerous! lol
Xiaoxi
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#24901
fat-poor-investment-lard is not welcome in this thread.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Join date: Jun 2006
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#24902
Says the guy that projected hydrogen cars to be the future over electric


"hey guys, let's make a car that runs on an odorless gas that is extremely flammable, and only needs a microleak to go"
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Join date: Jun 2006
816 IQ
#24904
Yep

My friend put the $1,000 deposit down and he still has to wait a good while after they're released last I heard from him (and after the $7,500 tax credit ""ran out"" )

It looks great though. My only qualm is the larger windshield in the back. Ironically it's great because it's A E S T H E T I C, and gives a lot more headspace in the backseats, but gotta get it tinted better when jamming out to the Stones. (and see what add-ons they can do with getting a legit amp and ground-facing, sealed subwoofers since I'm sure they'd be the only ones that would know how to install it with the battery)
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Xiaoxi
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#24905
All ready for Bimmerfest East tomorrow. Organized a small caravan starting at Baltimore at 7am( ) and roll up to Englishtown Raceway in NJ. Partying up in NYC later.

A few ladies invited themselves along, so now the car's gonna be heavier... sigh what a dilemma, life's hard

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#24906
Quote by Xiaoxi
A few ladies invited themselves along, so now the car's gonna be heavier... sigh what a dilemma, life's hard

That's a humblebrag if I've ever seen one.
Xiaoxi
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#24907
humblebrag would imply I was trying to be subtle.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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JustRooster
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#24908
Quote by Arby911
but there's something pretty visceral about pushing a 500hp, #2300 piece of iron around a 1/4 mile dirt oval with 12-16 other drivers all trying to lead the pack. It's not a sport for the faint hearted. When you're running in the middle of a 3-wide and sideways with cars on either side of you less than a foot away, precision driving is greatly to be desired.

FWIW, I'm not a NASCAR fan, finding it deathly boring, but dirt's a different animal entirely.


My blood got pumping just reading this.

I'm also a guy who enjoys NASCAR. It's awesome for the people who are interested in team dynamics (i.e. alliances and rivalries being made and broken on the fly) and for people who like the super technical car stuff, like how an alignment can make or break your setup, etc.

(Not saying you did this, Arby) I never understood people who were proud of not "getting" NASCAR. Why would you be proud that you don't understand a huge part of motorsports? Folks are odd.

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Acϵ♠
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#24909
You know what, i don't mind NASCAR either. The racing itself is 95% of the time boring as fuck but the ridiculously precise engineering adjustments are what make it tolerable for me. I really respect the crews and preparation that go into it if im being honest.

...although the whole thing pales in comparison to F1
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JustRooster
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#24910
Depends on your taste, I think they're apples and oranges. I know people who don't like F1 because they feel like no one ever passes one another and the cars never get close enough. They're fundamentally different sports. I like F1 for the same reason, the crazy engineering and tech preparation.

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