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i_killed_bill
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#41
Quote by benman7
Very convenient! None of us have to use our own creativity to get ppl to our shows now! THANK GOD FOR OTHER PEOPLE! :P But really, cheers for the extra info!

Hell most of us don't have the creativity to come up with our own band name lol

But it is a good thread, thanks for the info guys.
benman7
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#42
Quote by i_killed_bill
Hell most of us don't have the creativity to come up with our own band name lol


Hhaha thats too true man...sad really..."I wanna make art but not have to use my own imagination or creativity in doing so."...people these days... though yes, this is a very useful thread to give lost people a kick in the right direction.
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#43
Actually that creeativity statement is flawed. Sure there are a lot of great wasys to od it. But if you really want to make an impact as a band, you're going to have do something- Different.
benman7
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#44
Yeah i'd deffinantly agree, but i could see some people being lost and/or new to all of this, and they would definantly benefit from this thread still.
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#45
Quote by Highwaytohell
Actually that creeativity statement is flawed. Sure there are a lot of great wasys to od it. But if you really want to make an impact as a band, you're going to have do something- Different.


The future of music is about customizing your game plan to fit you!!!!

Though this is a great list of information to look at and make better educated decisions on how to customize.

I actually stopped by to ask if anyone was using twitter and what thoughts or suggestions you might have in that area.

http://blog.timelineonline.org/2009/01/6-rules-of-twitter-for-musicians.html
Wiirdo
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#46
Holy crap, when did this get revived?! And..stickied!? I'm gonna have to update this.

EDIT: Also thank you for the sticky. I'll update it in a tic, but I know this could get absolutely huge, so if there's any dead links or low quality ones, please tell me. Also, we'll need to get a couple more links on the smaller sections, so I'll be open to suggestions.
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axemanchris
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#48
... except the focus of this thread is on marketing...

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
JordantheAxe
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#49
Quote by axemanchris
... except the focus of this thread is on marketing...

CT

Well if you look on the opening post there is an area which says Recording with many links, do you see it now? Just tryin to help.
www.youtube.com/jordan123x
3rdActguitarist
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#50
Ok, the getgigs.com wasn't really much help so.....

Whats the best way to go about getting a gig? I just sent my band's info off to a local production label (12 Monkey Productions) about booking us for local shows.

What are some other ways I could get my band off the ground?
benman7
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#51
Quote by 3rdActguitarist
Ok, the getgigs.com wasn't really much help so.....

Whats the best way to go about getting a gig? I just sent my band's info off to a local production label (12 Monkey Productions) about booking us for local shows.

What are some other ways I could get my band off the ground?

Enjoy it! go to bars and meet the owners, talk to them, actually make an effort on foot, go out and LOOK for good places to play, being your own manager and booking your own shows is half the fun, your meeting a community!
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axemanchris
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#52
Quote by JordantheAxe
Well if you look on the opening post there is an area which says Recording with many links, do you see it now? Just tryin to help.


Okay, then....

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
Highwaytohell
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#53
There are tons of tips in here to help you come up with a tenative plan to market yourself. Some tips will work better for some than others

Honestly though, its really tough to fathom all this!
axemanchris
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#54
Part of the thing, too, is that reading about stuff is one thing. Actually talking to people who have been there and learning from your own experiences are far more compelling.

Either way, though, it's all very, very important info.

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
Highwaytohell
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#55
I have another helpful tip which I myself and quickly learning
Figure out what your demographic is and play to it. My demographic, I have learned, Is not teenagers. Teenagers want to listen to dime a dozen indie bands and dance music. They don't understand heavy or serious music (in my scene). My band has played several teen clubs (as the drummer and I are 16 and the bassist is 17) and we have also played some places in which more adults are present (anybody ever heard of Toads place?) and we get a much better reaction from the older crowds- becasue our music has been refined much more than a teenage band and has been highly tuned and perfected- so we don't sound like a ****ty little teenage cover band unlike most other adolescent groups out there. That is why we have decided to focus our energy into playing venues where we can showcase ourselves in front of audiances that are more receptive to our music, and are more mature about the music. We played one teen club that wouldn't let us swear. Can you believe that?

Find your demographic and use it to your advantage
Amarant
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#56
Now, directly below the <title> section, make some space and insert the following code:

<meta content=’list, around, 20, keywords, separated, by, commas’ name=’keywords’/>
<meta content=’Give a short, concise description of exactly what your site is’ name=’description’/>
<meta content=’public’ http-equiv=’cache-control’/>
<meta content=’never’ http-equiv=’expires’/>
<meta content=’index, follow’ name=’robots’/>
<meta content=’7 days’ name=’revisit-after’/>

Can't follow this part of the guide -- it will say this:
Your template could not be parsed as it is not well-formed. Please make sure all XML elements are closed properly.
XML error message: Open quote is expected for attribute "{1}" associated with an element type "content".
Myshadow46_2
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#57
Wow, a lot of advice linked from here. A lot to get through, but generally very helpful.

As, I am sure, many of you are; I am in a band who have only been together a short time and we are still working on material. Once we get to that stage where are we are ready to start marketing ourselves with a view to gigging recording etc, what would any of you say are the most important things to do to begin with?
mixin_kc
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#58
That was a great list. Thanks for posting that.

Bob Baker also provides some smokin' info. http://www.bob-baker.com/

I've been following his stuff for years. He also has a decent podcast you can search for on i-tunes.


KC Jamz
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#59
Quote by mixin_kc
That was a great list. Thanks for posting that.

Bob Baker also provides some smokin' info. http://www.bob-baker.com/

I've been following his stuff for years. He also has a decent podcast you can search for on i-tunes.


KC Jamz

I don't understand what special stuff it could teach you...
eaton1012
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#60
Quote by netvalar
The future of music is about customizing your game plan to fit you!!!!

Though this is a great list of information to look at and make better educated decisions on how to customize.

I actually stopped by to ask if anyone was using twitter and what thoughts or suggestions you might have in that area.

http://blog.timelineonline.org/2009/01/6-rules-of-twitter-for-musicians.html


Twitter is a great way to tell people about shows and great place to offer a coupon code for your cds or anything you sale.
Musformation
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#61
We have a large list of marketing ideas here and techniques the publicity pros use
http://musformation.com/2009/07/the-musformation-guide-to-promotingmarketing-and-getting-publicity-for-your-music.html

It gets updated every Friday as well! Or go to the main site for daily writings on it.
Jesse Cannon - Musformation.com- Daily Musicians News/ Tips/ Gear/ Business/ Gossip
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Nutman69
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#62
wicked info. should help alot of people out.
Gear:

Epiphone Zakk Wylde Signature Les Paul Custom
Ibanez RG

Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100

Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah
Digitech Whammy IV
Boss BF-3 Flanger
Boss DD-20 Delay

Line6 Pod X3
guitarpoplin
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#63
Awesome stuff. just to make sure whats the best place to license your music so it is copyrighted and stuff.
Youlicense?

just wanting to make sure.
jpnyc
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#65
Anyone out there who builds web sites for bands probably understands how existing CMS systems like Wordpress and IndexHibit really don’t work well when you need to deliver video and audio files. Some guys are working on an open-source CMS system just for musicians and other rich media artists, and need development funds and help, if this interests you take a look at www.dbasr.com.

(this is not spam, I posted it here because I thought people watching this thread would be interested)
Jamie-Tee
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#66
if you are just starting out a brilliant way to record is to download audacity, completely free. my band used this along with a guitar hero mic (plug it in and it should instal the driver) and just put a sock over the mic. This can give u a fantastic sound!!
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#69
Heyyy, the only thing i need advice on is how to get the gigs in the first place...Do i just email the venues and hope they approve?

Obviously we're not headlining material YET but how do i get to supporting a bigger band or getting small gigs and stuff like that?

Any response would be great!
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#70
Quote by Mason!
Heyyy, the only thing i need advice on is how to get the gigs in the first place...Do i just email the venues and hope they approve?

Obviously we're not headlining material YET but how do i get to supporting a bigger band or getting small gigs and stuff like that?

Any response would be great!


Go to open mic sort of things, talk to a band you know (if you know one) about supporting a gig of theirs, record a small demo (3/4 tracks) of how you play and sendt them to venues.

If you can have videos of you playing live (for example at open mic nights or supporting a band you know ) that may help the venue see if you're good for them too.

There are some places which may book you as a support band with nothing but your word, but they're rare and usually fairly bad venues!
Colohue
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#71
I've been doing a series on base marketing on the Ug front page.

It's all in my profile if it proves helpful. Not quite done yet. It's called Marketing Methods.
JDizzle787
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#72
This needs to be in the first post; it's really, really good advice from a reputable source/ friend that hits on many points that answer the questions for "why isn't anyone coming to my show?" for people anywhere, really:

http://rebelsoundrecords.blogspot.com/2011/06/show-attendance-answers-to-question-why.html
getmad24_7
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#73
This entire forum could really be enhanced if the OP had more links...even things like bandcamp, cdbaby, and other online outlets for your music...as well as more guides like are on here that I am sure exist.
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#74
Quote by getmad24_7
This entire forum could really be enhanced if the OP had more links...even things like bandcamp, cdbaby, and other online outlets for your music...as well as more guides like are on here that I am sure exist.


+1. It seems like some of the stickies could use a fair amount of updating.


But on the topic at hand of marketing your band, and to be more specific the topic of getting gigs, here's some things I've learned over the years. I may make this into an article at some point. I've been getting the urge to write some articles lately.

(Note: I don't live in a "large" market by any means, but I live in an area which has a music scene that is growing quite nicely.)

-- Have friends/fans record live performances. Especially of "good" shows. And by that I mean shows where there's a good crowd, good sound, and energy in the band. Normally when I contact someone about setting up shows for the first time, I send links to a few videos fans have posted of us on Youtube. Having good recorded music is a great thing, obviously, but having video of your live show goes even further in showing someone what you will bring to their venue.

-- Some advice for bands trying to "get their foot in the door", so to speak, and get those first bookings:
-- Since you're in this situation, it's assumable that you and your bandmates are lacking connections and don't really have much personal recognition in the local scene. MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS. Go to shows, meet bands your music meshes at least reasonably well with and exchange contact info. Bands and people booking shows are always looking for bands to add to their upcoming shows. Get on those bills as openers. Play to as many people as possible, as long as it's in an appropriate environment for your music. For instance if you're playing metalcore you're setting yourself up for failure if you book yourself with a blues act. Make sure the music will go together within reason so you'll have a higher probability of people in the audience enjoying it. Getting your music heard by as many people as possible is the key.
Make connections with bar/venue owners just the same as other bands. This will be important. Make contacts, exchange information, and follow up with an email of some sort. Include links to your music, videos, and whatever else makes your band look good. Be professional around business owners as well. Don't go into a bar acting like a rock god and expect to get a gig.
Bar owners are in the business of making money. You could be the best band in the world but if they're not seeing any profit at their register at the bottom of the night you're not going to get many more gigs. We all have bad nights where the draw just isn't there though, or where something just goes wrong otherwise, and having a good working relationship with a bar owner can be the difference between you getting a mulligan or you never getting a show in that venue again.

-- Expect to play for cheap. And most likely in some dives. If you're just starting out with a band and no one involved has prior connections from a previous project, expect to be playing some pretty seedy places until you grow a fanbase. You're also likely to play for very little or the door. But, making connections is important, and so is getting the music out there. Who knows, that club you played at for $50 bucks 3 months ago might have an opening slot on a show with a national act coming up soon and want you to play?

-- Burning bridges is not recommended. Turning a potential connection into an enemy over a minor issue is stupid. Don't do it.
On that topic, I will say this; it's ok to burn some bridges. For instance, earlier this year my band won a poll to play a show in an absolute landslide. Well, the guy who was in charge of it (who also had a band involved), blackballed us because, for lack of a better term, we weren't a "Butt-Rawk, Red State Rock" band like his, or many of the other bands on the show. He rarely responded to us, talked down to us when he did, and after looking at his band and personal facebook pages it became clear he was an amateur douche. We told him to get farked in the arse, and went our merry way. Turns out, two bands we've talked to about that show said "We should have followed suit." Turns out, not only did he scam bands by telling them the venue said they had to sell tickets to play (they didn't) and rake in over $1000 by screwing over fellow bands, the crowd was much less than anticipated and it wasn't worth the time to show up to play. Self serving, scamming douche-holes like that NEED to be told to ****-off. They NEED to be exposed for what they are. So in some cases, telling someone just how big of a pompous ass amateur dillhole they are is acceptable.
(Funny story, I actually DJ on the biggest rock radio station in a neighboring market to that particular dillholes. I'm going to be running some local/unsigned artists in a special segment very soon and I'm anticipating he'll be one of the first to submit music. Guess whose music will NEVER hit the airwaves on my watch? That's right, captain douchewad mcgee, that's who.)


eh, anyway, I'm just rambling now. I think I'll be writing a full article on this subject soon.
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FrankDeets
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#75
some great stuff here. Also things to consider is if you are in the American federation of musicians (which is the union) of which I am researching on and trying to decide wether to join or not. Also typical stuff for getting gigs I have found to be helpful is having the following:

business card
website
referral
and a positive but realistic attitude.