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helltothee
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#11682
Ghost Reveries is fantastic too, though.

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#11683

Opeth frontman says metal fans are “closed-minded”

Mikael Åkerfeldt's assertion that metalheads “don’t really want to know about what they’re getting” seems to make zero sense in a world where people download albums before buying them, or at least hear them on YouTube or via label-sponsored streaming on SoundCloud. In fact, metalheads have always wanted to hear the album before buying, even when they had to do it with CD players and headphones in record stores (as in the 1990s). It seems as if metalheads are picking albums for reasons that Åkerfeldt just doesn’t understand.

http://www.deathmetal.org/news/opeth-frontman-says-metal-fans-are-closed-minded/




"We're so ironic and unique, not like those other closed-minded people!" the hipsters squealed. Metal's become a soap opera. Thanks Opeth.
rg_metal
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#11684
After the original guitarist left, Opeth has sucked ever since.

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Morphogenesis26
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#11685
That was a pretty good article and dissection of what Mikeal said. Really shows how much of a **** the man is.
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#11686
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#11688
I knew when I saw the Opeth thread that this is what would come up. I still listen to opeth frequently, just not as frequently as 2003-2008. I too feel that things really changed when Peter left & Fred joined the band.

When I first read his comments I kind of agreed, but I realized he's making a huge generalization. Truthfully, I'd say you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a genre of music that is MORE open-minded and diverse than heavy metal. In a lot of other genres, pop, hip-hop, folk, etc there are certain rules you have to play by that prevent an artist from exceeding those bounds, but in metal, there really aren't any rules. Sure, there are certain reoccuring themes, but metal can be mixed with ANY other kind of music and there will likely be a band out there who has or currently is trying it. Rap-metal. Folk-metal. Jazz-influenced metal. Symphonic Metal. Funk Metal. Pop/Hair Metal. Industrial Metal. These are just a few example, and there are dozens more to choose from.

In contrast, a genre like Country certainly has some variations in it's own right, but nowhere near the amount of experimentation is allowed in Country music that is allowed in Metal. Not even close. Jazz, Country, Pop, etc all have some flexibility, but also very specific guidelines that must not be broken. Metal doesn't seem to have any rules that can't be broken.

So what does that say for Metal's fanbase? With as many different types of metal music out there, it's pretty obvious that metal fans are in fact extremely open-minded. That's why you can see guys in Slayer shirts head banging at The Prodigy concerts. Or maybe the guy at the Steve Miller concert is a Machine Head fan as well. Or maybe your manager at work has an extensive collection of '90's death metal at home! Sometimes you just never know! But back to my original point- how can a genre with so many outside influences be comprised of people that are so close-minded? It can't be.

As long as Mikeal believes that metal fans are close-minded, he will remain close-minded to all of the possibilities to make music that keeps existing fans and generate new ones. I once held this man on a pedestal above so many other musicians, but this statement has made me lose a little of my admiration for him. I will still enjoy his music as I always have, and will look forward to anything he puts out, but I am disappointed that he feels this way, and makes me think he may have hit the wall on his creativity. Damn.
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#11689
The thing is, the close-minded metal fans are usually the most vocal, about certain bands not being "true metal" and such, so it appears that's what most fans are like.
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#11690
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well I must say, given the past few records I think it was clear he was running out of ideas around the time Peter left...especially the abortion that is Heritage.
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#11691
I feel that whatever chemistry Peter and Mike had worked well for Opeth in the past. As soon as Peter left Opeth ceased to exist and turned into Akerpeth.

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#11692
from what I gathered from interviews around '05 '06 ish, nobody had any real say on Ghost Reveries besides Akerfeldt. So the relationship was deteriorating prior to Peter leaving (who if I recall left after Lopez was having his heart issues)
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#11693
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The thing is, the close-minded metal fans are usually the most vocal, about certain bands not being "true metal" and such, so it appears that's what most fans are like.



That's definitely true.


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from what I gathered from interviews around '05 '06 ish, nobody had any real say on Ghost Reveries besides Akerfeldt. So the relationship was deteriorating prior to Peter leaving (who if I recall left after Lopez was having his heart issues)


I remember that interview he did w/ FaceCulture that confirms that, however, he also said that Peter had a few ideas he presented to the band and that they "just weren't good enough." It sucks because even if Peter didn't contribute to songwriting much, he had an immense effect on the overall tonality. His style was very much a somber, Gothic type sound... and Fred is way on the other side of the spectrum. Fred's style is dare I say just "typical shredder" stuff. He can solo well and is a very good guitarist, but his style is just not very well suited for Opeth IMO.

Watershed was easily the worst Opeth album. I liked most of Heritage, especially the bonus track Face In The Snow. The albujms I listen to most frequently are Deliverance & Ghost Reveries... I think I wore out Still Life and BWP
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#11694
Ghost Reveries was the last album I thought was worth listening to. Watershed had some good moments but overall was terrible in contrast to the other albums that preceded.

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#11695
Sooooo who else is stoked for the upcoming album? I've had to listen to Cusp of Eternity a few times to let it grow on me. I still think it's a tad boring though.
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crazysam23_Atax
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#11696
Yeah, but singles are always boring. At least, alone they are. They may seem fine in context of the album.
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#11697
Listened to the album a couple times. Its way better than Heritage, although its still boring, the riffs are lacking, the songs aren't dinamic at all and there isn't anything very memorable about it. "River" could've been written by Steven Wilson, nothing about that song resembles Opeth. Mikael's voice is great, though.

All in all, an improvement, but not a very good album. My favourites right now are "Eternal Rains Will Come", "Elysian Woes" into "Goblin" and "Faith in Others". The rest of the songs don't do anything for me.
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#11698
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Listened to the album a couple times. Its way better than Heritage, although its still boring, the riffs are lacking, the songs aren't dinamic at all and there isn't anything very memorable about it. "River" could've been written by Steven Wilson, nothing about that song resembles Opeth. Mikael's voice is great, though.

All in all, an improvement, but not a very good album. My favourites right now are "Eternal Rains Will Come", "Elysian Woes" into "Goblin" and "Faith in Others". The rest of the songs don't do anything for me.

I thought River was a damn country song for a second. Fvcking terrible music. Its an improvement on Heritage... but to even mention album X is better than Heritage in the same sentence is a disgrace. I will say though this album isn't all that bad except for a few things. I just can't deal with Mike's salty nuts being in every damn thing and his own selfish interests. I truly believe the other band members are just along for the ride and the pay check honestly.

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#11699
I'm all for change and evolution in a band's sound, very few bands can pull off playing the same stuff over and over again, but what happened to Opeth is way too weird. you don't go from being Bloodbath's frontman to being a Steven Wilson wannabe (no matter how great the man is, although I think he is overrated, but to each his own).

That said, I do find it hard to believe that a guy like Axe or Fredrik are ok with playing these half-assed riffs under the guise of a 70's prog rock homage unless they are getting well paid for it.

The album has its moments as I said before, but it really isn't good, even if you forget its an Opeth album. And yes, saying it is better than Heritage really can't mean much xD
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darkstar2466
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#11700
Opeth died after Ghost Reveries. Heritage was so bad that I can't give Mikael any more playing time, not knowing how badly he would dish out mediocre soft-prog riffs.

Could be why Per Wiberg left.
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#11701
The demise of Opeth is the most disheartening thing I've ever experienced, in terms of being a fan of any band. I tried to like Watershed, but couldn't... wrote that off as "growing pains" due to the loss of their guitarist & drummer. Tried to like Heritage, but found I only like a few tracks. After hearing Cusp of Eternity I just realized that the Opeth I once knew & loved is gone, and has been gone since Peter Lindgren left the band. Some of you may remember that FaceCulture interview where Mike talked about Peter's contributions not being very significant and the story behind Peter's departure... but considering the declining quality of the 3 records since his departure, I have to wonder if maybe he didn't have a bigger significance than Mike realized.

I also believe the difference in drummers has really changed the spirit of the music... Lopez plays with a looser, more "ethnic" or Latin vibe to his drumming, where Axe has a much stiffer, straightforward & hard hitting style that is just counter-intuitive to the mellifluous parts of Opeth's music.

The only way we'll ever get "classic" Opeth back is if it goes back to Mike-Peter-Martin-Martin line-up... and even then, as many reunions have shown, it still won't be the same.

It was a very magical moment to be an Opeth fan and witness their rise from 02-06ish, but, to me, it just seems that once Roadrunner entered and Peter & Martin left, everything changed, not for the better.


edit: this all got me interested, so I looked up Peter Lindgren on Wiki and it described Opeth's music as "Swedish progressive death metal." The problem with Opeth's music now is that it is not Progressive, nor Death Metal... nor even just Metal. It's like... "Regressive '70's prog-rock worship."
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darkstar2466
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#11702
You have to remember, a shitload of people got Opeth tattoos lol.

I was pretty late to the Opeth fanwagon - just caught Ghost Reveries and the following tour, but hearing BWP, Damnation, and all the previous albums blew me away in 06-07. Though I prefer black metal to death metal these days, Opeth still gets honorary bumps once in a while. I just popped in the BWP CD a couple of days ago - crispy clear.

For having been an Opeth fanboy for a good while, I'll agree with you on the trainwreck the band's direction has become. It's an amalgam of musical talent lacking unity and a goal. I've heard people say there's no point to Black Rose Immortal - it's just a mishmash of tunes strung together. Okay, let that be the case. The songwriting was ****ing brilliant for a thoroughly entertaining 20 minute journey with a wide range of expressions. Classic memorable dual guitar harmonies for days....

Akerfeldt is a fool for not giving Lindgren the proper place he deserved in the band. It's kind of like the jon Schaffer or Dave Mustaine syndrome. Everyone is replaceable but you, cuz it's your band. Lopez's ill health at the time was no reason to drop him permanently either. Apparently he does the percussion for two tracks in the new album, but I don't really want to hear it regardless.
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#11703
^ You guys are basically spot on.

The whole Lopez thing to me smacks of impatience and unwillingness to wait things out. Either due to record label expectations or because Mike thinks they need to put something out every few years I dunno, but that's how it seems. Instead of what a fair few other bands do which is wait something like that out, instead of immediately dropping the guy.

As for the new record: I dont even want to listen to it, hearing what you guys have said, and having taken some small samplings of it.
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Peres.T.Peanut
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#11704
Having arrived even later to the Opeth hype train (half a year before Watershed, give or take) I still understand why older fans felt betrayed or disapointed with that album. It didn't really hit me that hard at the time, I still had hours of Opeth to properly delve into, but it was clear that it wasn't the same thing as before.

If I'm not mistaken, Mikael joined Opeth because Peter invited him, so probably the whole process was something like Mike's ideas with Lindgren's filter. With Lindgren gone, Mikael can just take a dump, glue it all together and release it (not saying thats why he made Peter go or whatever happened, just speculating a consequence of that). I say this mostly because you can still see shreds of brilliance here and there, but as a whole its pretty much crap.
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#11705
No, Peter came in after Mike. Peter was still an important part, and had a distinctly fitting style for the band, though.
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#11706
Lindgren gave the band a good measure of earnestness that is not there anymore. Sometimes a band is not really that band without a key player. Kind of like how Savatage aint really Savatage without Criss. No matter the band members, this drivel is not worthy of the name of the Opeth many once knew and loved.

Even if they got shittier over time, they should've gotten shitty together, Peter, Mike, and the Martins. It's good to see bands stick together through time.

Utterly WTF splits like K.K. from Judas Priest are all derived from contract gripes, I am sure. Now there's a key player who bounced after his whole career was complete.
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Peres.T.Peanut
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No, Peter came in after Mike. Peter was still an important part, and had a distinctly fitting style for the band, though.


Oh, thanks for correcting me.

The same argument can still be made though, and I completly aggree with darkstar, if you're gona get shitty, do it together. Don't want to trash on Akesson but whatever he brought into Opeth, clearly wan't lacking in the first place. Same case can be made for Axe.
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#11709
I can certainly understand the frustration being expressed here that Opeth has changed so much, but I'm not feeling the frustration, myself. Maybe the difference is that I already considered Opeth as "Opeth 2.0" from Watershed on. Since Peter and Martin left, they really aren't the same band any more.

I have to say, I've really been enjoying Pale Communion. But then, I had practically had Heritage on repeat for two straight weeks. This round, I wasn't expecting another BWP; I was expecting another Heritage, and I got what I was anticipating.