#1
Helllo !!

i just wanna know some examples to practice that let's me be able to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm muting like Master of puppets , domination ( pantera ) and within destruction ( as i lay dying ) ... etc
#2
Well first off Metallica isn't a good example to learn palm-muting (or "fast" thrash riffs, Master doesn't even have alternate picking)... and As I Lay Dying isn't thrash... not even a little bit.

I suggest learning some of the songs like Born in a Casket or A Skull Full of Maggots from Cannibal Corpse's debut album. Another user suggested it a long time ago and it has helped.
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#4
If you wanna get good alt picking thrash practice, work on Megadeth songs. Holy Wars... The Punishment Due taught my picking hand, She Wolf is fantastic for picking practice, Wake Up Dead, Mechanix those kinda songs. Also look into learning early Testament riffs too, those will help alot (at least they did for me).
#5
exodus is good too, and slayer, especially slayer, basically all the big thrash bands except metallica
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Well first off Metallica isn't a good example to learn palm-muting (or "fast" thrash riffs, Master doesn't even have alternate picking)... and As I Lay Dying isn't thrash... not even a little bit.

I suggest learning some of the songs like Born in a Casket or A Skull Full of Maggots from Cannibal Corpse's debut album. Another user suggested it a long time ago and it has helped.


He's asking about thrash and you suggest cannibal corpse? I suggest any megadeth, or metallica's first two albums, hit the lights, holy wars, take no prisoners (especially this one).
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Quote by adel.light94
Helllo !!

i just wanna know some examples to practice that let's me be able to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm muting like Master of puppets , domination ( pantera ) and within destruction ( as i lay dying ) ... etc

1. Listen to thrash bands you like.
2. Single out fast riff
3. Find tab for fast riff
4. Practice fast riff
5. Ignore this guy. He's probably a hipster in a black t-shirt
Quote by cgmetallica1981
... and As I Lay Dying isn't thrash... not even a little bit.

I suggest learning some of the songs like Born in a Casket or A Skull Full of Maggots from Cannibal Corpse's debut album. Another user suggested it a long time ago and it has helped.

Seriously, AILD is definitely thrashy. All of their stuff is thrash with a little teeny bit of hardcore in there. They're just trendy and popular with the kids, so it's not tr00 enough for some people. Cannibal Corpse is (not particularly good) death metal. AILD is actually a lot closer to thrash than that. Plus, regardless of what he called it, TS said he wanted to learn riffs like the ones he listed. Cannibal Corpse isn't gonna be a whole lot of help.
#8
Quote by Geldin
1. Listen to thrash bands you like.
2. Single out fast riff
3. Find tab for fast riff
4. Practice fast riff
5. Ignore this guy. He's probably a hipster in a black t-shirt

Seriously, AILD is definitely thrashy. All of their stuff is thrash with a little teeny bit of hardcore in there. They're just trendy and popular with the kids, so it's not tr00 enough for some people. Cannibal Corpse is (not particularly good) death metal. AILD is actually a lot closer to thrash than that. Plus, regardless of what he called it, TS said he wanted to learn riffs like the ones he listed. Cannibal Corpse isn't gonna be a whole lot of help.


Thanks a lot !! i see it's more logic to play those riffs slower and making a speed-up till i reach the wanted speed ! you rock dude \m/
#9
Quote by Geldin
1. Listen to thrash bands you like.
2. Single out fast riff
3. Find tab for fast riff
4. Practice fast riff
5. Ignore this guy. He's probably a hipster in a black t-shirt

Seriously, AILD is definitely thrashy. All of their stuff is thrash with a little teeny bit of hardcore in there. They're just trendy and popular with the kids, so it's not tr00 enough for some people. Cannibal Corpse is (not particularly good) death metal. AILD is actually a lot closer to thrash than that. Plus, regardless of what he called it, TS said he wanted to learn riffs like the ones he listed. Cannibal Corpse isn't gonna be a whole lot of help.

"i just wanna know some examples to practice that let's me be able to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm muting" That's what he said. He doesn't necessarily want thrash metal only riffs, he wants something that he can learn so he will be better at playing fast thrash riffs with palm-muting, so that makes your tips obsolete. The only reason I said AILD isn't thrash is because he mentioned it - and my mistake, I wasn't thinking of the same band, because the band I'm thinking of is purely metalcore... All That Remains I think.

Also the two Cannibal Corpse songs I mentioned are going to help a lot more than Master (way too slow), Domination (I can play it, the only palm-muting is on open string strumming) and Within Destruction (from what I hear, it's the same situation with Domination). Lastly as another user mentioned, Take No Prisoners is also very good for learning to palm-mute quickly.
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#10
Quote by cgmetallica1981
"i just wanna know some examples to practice that let's me be able to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm muting" That's what he said. He doesn't necessarily want thrash metal only riffs, he wants something that he can learn so he will be better at playing fast thrash riffs with palm-muting, so that makes your tips obsolete. The only reason I said AILD isn't thrash is because he mentioned it - and my mistake, I wasn't thinking of the same band, because the band I'm thinking of is purely metalcore... All That Remains I think.

Also the two Cannibal Corpse songs I mentioned are going to help a lot more than Master (way too slow), Domination (I can play it, the only palm-muting is on open string strumming) and Within Destruction (from what I hear, it's the same situation with Domination). Lastly as another user mentioned, Take No Prisoners is also very good for learning to palm-mute quickly.

To get good at something, you practice it. If you want to learn how to play fast thrash riffs, you find thrash riffs you like and you practice them. If he wants to learn to play riffs similar to the ones he mentioned, then the best thing he (or anyone in any situation vaguely like this)can do is to find the bits he wants to play, isolate them, and learn to play them.

Master of Puppets has that one riff after the solo with the gallops in it. Hardly the fastest riff ever, but certainly good practice for gallops, palm muting, and down picking in one easily digestible (semi-)well known package. Open string palm muting is still palm muting, so any riff like Within Destruction or Domination is decent practice as well.

On a side note, All That Remains isn't metalcore either. There really aren't any hardcore elements to their music. They've actually got a little bit of a classical streak to their writing, but they're really just modern-day metal that gets some press in trendy magazines. You might be thinking Rise to Remain, but I'm not entirely sure that they're metalcore either (I'm not terribly familiar with their music, so I won't claim to know one way or another on their account).
#11
Look into some early Megadeth, slayer, exodus, testament, annihilator, Destruction and Kreator.

Look at their riffs and pracrtice them slowly so you get a hang of em.

Suggestions.

Megadeth : Wake up dead, devils island, set the world afire, liar, hook in mouth, chosen ones, loved to deth, holy wars, take no prisoners, Rust in peace...polaris, poison was the cure, this day we fight, 1,320.

Slayer: Angel of death, piece by piece, raining blood, hell awaits, show no mercy.

Exodus : Bonded by blood, exodus, children of a worthless god, war is my shepard, shroud of urine, forward march, culling the herd.

Testament: More than meets the eye , Over the wall , blessed in contempt , nightmare . etc.

There are tons of good thrash bands with these kind of songs, just search for em look at their riffs and practice it slowly till you get to grips with it. Cheers!
#12
Not to be a Metallica fanatic or anything, but their first 4 albums are pretty damn thrashy if you ask me, especially Ride the Lightening and And Justice for All. Great, great stuff for learning thrash techniques such as palm muted downpicking and some alt. picked galloping. I don't understand the hate for them, honestly. They can play right up there with anybody else...

It's not the same as Slayer's thrash playing but it is thrash nonetheless. My recommendation would be to learn the songs on RtL and AJFA, as well as Slayer's Reign in Blood album and you'll be set.
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Not to be a Metallica fanatic or anything, but their first 4 albums are pretty damn thrashy if you ask me, especially Ride the Lightening and And Justice for All. Great, great stuff for learning thrash techniques such as palm muted downpicking and some alt. picked galloping. I don't understand the hate for them, honestly. They can play right up there with anybody else...

It's not the same as Slayer's thrash playing but it is thrash nonetheless. My recommendation would be to learn the songs on RtL and AJFA, as well as Slayer's Reign in Blood album and you'll be set.


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#14
Quote by Geldin
To get good at something, you practice it. If you want to learn how to play fast thrash riffs, you find thrash riffs you like and you practice them. If he wants to learn to play riffs similar to the ones he mentioned, then the best thing he (or anyone in any situation vaguely like this)can do is to find the bits he wants to play, isolate them, and learn to play them.

What I was saying was that to to get good at playing thrash riffs you don't necessarily have to learn by playing thrash riffs. I learned by playing songs that had fast alternating between palm-muting and clean notes (I don't recall the term) like Cannibal Corpse's debut album.

Quote by KailM
Not to be a Metallica fanatic or anything, but their first 4 albums are pretty damn thrashy if you ask me, especially Ride the Lightening and And Justice for All. Great, great stuff for learning thrash techniques such as palm muted downpicking and some alt. picked galloping. I don't understand the hate for them, honestly. They can play right up there with anybody else...

It's not the same as Slayer's thrash playing but it is thrash nonetheless. My recommendation would be to learn the songs on RtL and AJFA, as well as Slayer's Reign in Blood album and you'll be set.

What? Kill 'em All is easily more "thrashy" than both Ride and Justice. The problem with learning Metallica songs for palm-muting is that the majority of the riffs are actually fairly slow and don't really have much alternate picking (even most that sound like they do don't such as Blackened, because James primarily down-picks). I know Battery and Master (as another user mentioned) have gallops, and about half of the Kill 'em All album and Fight Fire with Fire have fast alternate picking. One has alternate picking at the "Darkness" part, but that doesn't really help because it's mostly palm-muting. The one that I would think would help a lot though is Dyers Eve.

On another note The Legacy by Testament is great, fast paced thrash album and pretty much all the songs would help with palm-muting.
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Quote by KailM
Not to be a Metallica fanatic or anything, but their first 4 albums are pretty damn thrashy if you ask me, especially Ride the Lightening and And Justice for All. Great, great stuff for learning thrash techniques such as palm muted downpicking and some alt. picked galloping. I don't understand the hate for them, honestly. They can play right up there with anybody else...


they cant play right up there with anybody else. Technically they're not up to par with crapload of metal bands. Altho AJFA and self titled were cool

from metallica catalogue look at AJFA songs, their most complex stuff

try some early Nevermore - No More Will, The fault of the Flesh, This Sacrament, Next in Line (The Politics of Ecstacy and Dreaming Neon Black)
Some early death metal will do good too, very similar to thrash.
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they cant play right up there with anybody else. Technically they're not up to par with crapload of metal bands. Altho AJFA and self titled were cool


To each his own I guess. I don't reserve judgment for a band until I see them live. I've been listening to Metallica since around 1989 and they got me into metal. Since then, I've listened to just about everything metal has to offer, and I'm a big fan of a lot of different metal bands and genres within metal. I've seen a lot of these bands live as well. Just a couple years ago, I finally got to see Metallica. As mainstream as they are and as much hate as they recieve - I have to say they flat out KILLED IT; playing all their old songs without missing a note. Having seen Megadeth as well, I have to say Metallica blew them away. I can honestly say I haven't seen a band yet that has put out a 'better' show. Opeth was close...

But I digress. Enough thread derailing.

Just practice the songs you like to hear, and all will be good.
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#17
Quote by cgmetallica1981
What I was saying was that to to get good at playing thrash riffs you don't necessarily have to learn by playing thrash riffs. I learned by playing songs that had fast alternating between palm-muting and clean notes (I don't recall the term) like Cannibal Corpse's debut album.


What? Kill 'em All is easily more "thrashy" than both Ride and Justice. The problem with learning Metallica songs for palm-muting is that the majority of the riffs are actually fairly slow and don't really have much alternate picking (even most that sound like they do don't such as Blackened, because James primarily down-picks). I know Battery and Master (as another user mentioned) have gallops, and about half of the Kill 'em All album and Fight Fire with Fire have fast alternate picking. One has alternate picking at the "Darkness" part, but that doesn't really help because it's mostly palm-muting. The one that I would think would help a lot though is Dyers Eve.

To the first:
That's cool. I'd imagine that you learned those songs by preference as much as for technique.

To the second:
The Metallica songs I can think of off the top of my head with more extensive palm muting:
-Dyer's Eve
-One (the heavy bit, that is)
-Fight Fire
-Blackened
-Battery
-Disposable Heroes
-Damage Inc
-Trapped Under Ice
-Creeping Death
Some of those have faster sixteenth note bits, but they focus mostly on downpicking. That's just as important a skill (if not more so) than sixteenth note patterns, so I'd take a look at those if Metallica is to your taste.

If you're into AILD, there are some songs on An Ocean Between Us that would be helpful with faster palm muted sections:
-An Ocean Between Us
-Nothing Left
-Bury Us All
-Wrath Upon Ourselves
-The Sound of Truth
-This is Who We Are
#18
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To each his own I guess. I don't reserve judgment for a band until I see them live. I've been listening to Metallica since around 1989 and they got me into metal. Since then, I've listened to just about everything metal has to offer, and I'm a big fan of a lot of different metal bands and genres within metal. I've seen a lot of these bands live as well. Just a couple years ago, I finally got to see Metallica. As mainstream as they are and as much hate as they recieve - I have to say they flat out KILLED IT; playing all their old songs without missing a note. Having seen Megadeth as well, I have to say Metallica blew them away. I can honestly say I haven't seen a band yet that has put out a 'better' show. Opeth was close...

But I digress. Enough thread derailing.

Just practice the songs you like to hear, and all will be good.


Seen 'tallica live too, last time was two years ago i think. They play their stuff good (Exept solos, kirk manages to mess them up as simple as they are), because its very simple, but i like James' voice now more than his yearly years (scratch AJFA period).
Black metal bands usually put much better shows, not only play well but put theatrical preformance as well. But you might not be fond of black metal.

Lets just say that there are better bands than Metallica in all senses, nothing wrong with liking them tho.

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Best thing that usually helps me is to listen to one band for quite awhile, and try to emulate their "sound". Say we take Megadeth, I don't try to learn just one song and try to master it, that takes forever and unless you know why they're playing something in that scale, it gets you nowhere. Just try to listen to a buttload of their riffs and see how they palm mute, on where their progressions change, and just what makes Megadeth, Megadeth. Soon enough you can really do it for any band, and it really helps you get certain styles nailed.

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Quote by cgmetallica1981
Well first off Metallica isn't a good example to learn palm-muting (or "fast" thrash riffs, Master doesn't even have alternate picking)... and As I Lay Dying isn't thrash... not even a little bit.

I suggest learning some of the songs like Born in a Casket or A Skull Full of Maggots from Cannibal Corpse's debut album. Another user suggested it a long time ago and it has helped.


Rofl, why would anyone want cannibal corpse to teach them anything? No offense, but don't they just tremelo pick and blast beat every note of every song and talk about raping lifeless cadavers? It's funny but its not good at all, sorry.

Metallica/Megadeth pretty much invented thrash (or at least brought it out of the club scene), so I don't see how they could be a "bad example" for learning thrash.
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Seen 'tallica live too, last time was two years ago i think. They play their stuff good (Exept solos, kirk manages to mess them up as simple as they are), because its very simple, but i like James' voice now more than his yearly years (scratch AJFA period).
Black metal bands usually put much better shows, not only play well but put theatrical preformance as well. But you might not be fond of black metal.

Lets just say that there are better bands than Metallica in all senses, nothing wrong with liking them tho.

Sorry for derailing this thread even more, i shall stop now


Oh, I like black metal alright; that's actually mostly what I play - blackened thrash/death riffs. The closest thing I've seen to a black metal show though was Behemoth. I really want to see Immortal and Enslaved. I would have liked to see Dimmu but I hate their new stuff.

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#23
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To the first:
That's cool. I'd imagine that you learned those songs by preference as much as for technique.

Actually I wasn't into death metal at the time. I learned them because another user had suggested them when I asked a question exactly like the question he has asked ("What could help me play fast thrash metal riffs with palm-muting" or something along those lines).
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Rofl, why would anyone want cannibal corpse to teach them anything? No offense, but don't they just tremelo pick and blast beat every note of every song and talk about raping lifeless cadavers? It's funny but its not good at all, sorry.

Metallica/Megadeth pretty much invented thrash (or at least brought it out of the club scene), so I don't see how they could be a "bad example" for learning thrash.

Are you serious? For the last time, he didn't ask specifically for good thrash riffs to learn palm-muting, he just asked for good examples that could enable him to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm-muting (read the first post), and a lot of Cannibal Corpse songs are a great resource to use for that purpose, such as the ones I mentioned in my first post. So I'm saying Metallica is a bad example to learn palm-muting, because their songs are very easy to play with palm-muting (playing 10 opens then a few power chords isn't a challenge), and if you always play easy stuff that won't help at all. I didn't even say the same about Megadeth though, so you including that was irrelevant. Also, the criticisms you made about Cannibal Corpse are very ignorant and uninformed. You could very easily say something very generalizing like that about every band, and even every genre.
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#24
learn every single song on kill em all. and ride the lightning, great thrash riffage on both albums...not so much the soloing since its just pentatonic licks and shred with the wah-wah...but great riffage. Also Flotsam and Jetsam! doomsday for the deceiver!!


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#25
The verse riff from Ride the Lightnings a pretty good one, and the verses from Peace Sells by Megadeth and Madhouse by Anthrax. But thats just down picking.

Its not thrash, but Painkiller is great for pedal note picking, which is used a lot in thrash.
New Wave of British Heavy Metal stuff can be very useful as that influenced thrash alot. Am I Evil is a perfect example you could check out that would help a lot. Iron Maiden have many great riffs for practising gallopy rhythms.

For Alternate picking palm muted you could try Holy Wars, Angel of Death and Hit the Lights.

Start slow first, some of these riffs I have suggested start at a pretty comfortable tempo thats good to start on.
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Quote by cgmetallica1981

Are you serious? For the last time, he didn't ask specifically for good thrash riffs to learn palm-muting, he just asked for good examples that could enable him to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm-muting (read the first post), and a lot of Cannibal Corpse songs are a great resource to use for that purpose, such as the ones I mentioned in my first post. So I'm saying Metallica is a bad example to learn palm-muting, because their songs are very easy to play with palm-muting (playing 10 opens then a few power chords isn't a challenge), and if you always play easy stuff that won't help at all. I didn't even say the same about Megadeth though, so you including that was irrelevant. Also, the criticisms you made about Cannibal Corpse are very ignorant and uninformed. You could very easily say something very generalizing like that about every band, and even every genre.


Don't get mad when people state facts, I don't like or respect any band that relies on tremelo picking/blast beats for 75% of every song, it's talentless and boring as playing pop music on guitar (Pop is just I, V, vi, IV over and over till you throw up). But, if tremolo and blast beats are your thing, then by all means go for it. IMO they aren't the best people to get guitar riffs from. I recommended old metallica/megadeth cause they used more than power chords in a song, you want to get good at palm muting you play a clean intro then ram right into it like "battery" or something. Your hands go from chord shapes to power chord shapes and you have to palm mute, so your doing an extra step. Instead of just moving one shape around like with cannibal corpse.

It's cool if you like them, I just don't. I see very little musicality in anything they do, especially vocally or on the guitar.
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#27
Try to play the whole Show No Mercy album.
After that, try South of Heaven for more complexity. ...And Justice For All is also pretty good for practicing a little complexity, with speed.

I learned how to double-pick, gallop, and do whatever it's called when you play power chords with the open low-E in between each chord (think of The Toxic Waltz), all by playing Metallica and Megadeth.

Try Anthrax too, mainly the album Among The Living.


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#28
Pantera's The Art of Shredding comes to mind when I think of thrash riffs. Awesome song title too.
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#29
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Don't get mad when people state facts, I don't like or respect any band that relies on tremelo picking/blast beats for 75% of every song, it's talentless and boring as playing pop music on guitar (Pop is just I, V, vi, IV over and over till you throw up). But, if tremolo and blast beats are your thing, then by all means go for it. IMO they aren't the best people to get guitar riffs from. I recommended old metallica/megadeth cause they used more than power chords in a song, you want to get good at palm muting you play a clean intro then ram right into it like "battery" or something. Your hands go from chord shapes to power chord shapes and you have to palm mute, so your doing an extra step. Instead of just moving one shape around like with cannibal corpse.

It's cool if you like them, I just don't. I see very little musicality in anything they do, especially vocally or on the guitar.



Can you play Frantic Disembowelment? C'mon, download the tab. Its so easy! Its all power chords, single notes and some tremolo picking, maybe couple of slides and hammer ons. Beginners stuff, you'll love it.

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Can you play Frantic Disembowelment? C'mon, download the tab. Its so easy! Its all power chords, single notes and some tremolo picking, maybe couple of slides and hammer ons. Beginners stuff, you'll love it.


That song, like most cannibal corpse, is a terrible, terrible song with no chorus or any remnants of what a song should be. I think cannibal corpse is making the worst music they possibly can and trying to see how many of you idiots are dumb enough to buy it.

Honeslty, want to learn cannibal corpse? Get a drummer to hit blast beats for 3 mins and you just hit the same 3 power chords for 3 mins, add some tremelo, wa la! Song done.

Cannibal Corpse is to metal music what rapists are to women.
#31
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That song, like most cannibal corpse, is a terrible, terrible song with no chorus or any remnants of what a song should be. I think cannibal corpse is making the worst music they possibly can and trying to see how many of you idiots are dumb enough to buy it.

Honeslty, want to learn cannibal corpse? Get a drummer to hit blast beats for 3 mins and you just hit the same 3 power chords for 3 mins, add some tremelo, wa la! Song done.

Cannibal Corpse is to metal music what rapists are to women.



Hah! The album where this song is from is quite light on blast beats outside of this particular song. And I am not even a CC fan for petes sake... CC is overrated, sure I agree, but your generalization is rather shoddy. Or you are trolling. Oh well, whatever.

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That song, like most cannibal corpse, is a terrible, terrible song with no chorus or any remnants of what a song should be. I think cannibal corpse is making the worst music they possibly can and trying to see how many of you idiots are dumb enough to buy it.

Didn't you just get done saying that straight tremolos and blast beats were akin to writing bad pop music (that genre that relies on one song structure and building to a catchy chorus)? Not sure if troll or idiot.


Cannibal Corpse is to metal music what rapists are to women.

Still not sure. But if you can keep cranking sentences like that out, you could be their lyricist.
#33
To anyone reading this to try and learn something, remember that while some riffs (let's take Metallica riffs for a relevant example) might not be "that fast" (I'm not sure when 190bpm 16ths became slow either...), you're supposed to be practicing them slowly anyway to get the full benefit of practice.

So that being said, if you're trying to learn thrash riffs then it doesn't really matter if the riff is "only" 160bpm 16ths or whatever instead of 220bpm 16ths. When practicing you will rarely be playing these near their max tempo anyway, and once you get to the point where you can comfortably play that then you should have listened to enough thrash music to be able to make your own decisions on what riffs to practice and songs to learn =)
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To anyone reading this to try and learn something, remember that while some riffs (let's take Metallica riffs for a relevant example) might not be "that fast" (I'm not sure when 190bpm 16ths became slow either...), you're supposed to be practicing them slowly anyway to get the full benefit of practice.

So that being said, if you're trying to learn thrash riffs then it doesn't really matter if the riff is "only" 160bpm 16ths or whatever instead of 220bpm 16ths. When practicing you will rarely be playing these near their max tempo anyway, and once you get to the point where you can comfortably play that then you should have listened to enough thrash music to be able to make your own decisions on what riffs to practice and songs to learn =)


I don't think you can find any Metallica songs that have 220 bpm sixteenth notes... 8th notes sure, but not 16th.. Not 190 bpm either..

I agree on the slow practicing part though, not just for thrash riffs though but for everything. You should be able to play it at such a slow tempo that you can control everything you do and not make any mistakes at first, then speed up.

One thing i use that i recommend is start taking a deep breath on the first beat of the a measure, then breath out on the first beat of the second measure. (Or if the tempo is higher, breath in deeply for 2 measures and out for 2 measures) Thinking of playing and breathing deeply at the same time often force you to go down to a good practice tempo, cause otherwise you will mess up.
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I don't think you can find any Metallica songs that have 220 bpm sixteenth notes... 8th notes sure, but not 16th.. Not 190 bpm either..


You misread my post. I wasn't referring to Metallica songs, I was saying how just because something isn't insanely fast (220bpm 16ths being what I call insanely fast) doesn't mean it isn't something useful to practice.

As for 190bpm Metallica songs, try Dyer's Eve.
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Dyer's Eve is one of the hardest Metallica songs, indeed.

But MOP is about 210 bpm, and in the main solo ... it's 8th triplets ... tremolo part or any others licks.
I don't think there are Metallica songs with some part at about 200 bpm 16th ... it's Metallica, don't forget it.
8th are played, the most of the time, with downpicking, rythm part and because the tempo is very fast (like MOP for example) ... Kirk uses some 8th triplets ... I'm pretty sure he can't play 16ths at this tempo.

If there are some parts with 16ths in a Metallica songs, the tempo shouldn't be high.

Well it's just some supposition ... :P
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Didn't you just get done saying that straight tremolos and blast beats were akin to writing bad pop music (that genre that relies on one song structure and building to a catchy chorus)? Not sure if troll or idiot.


Still not sure. But if you can keep cranking sentences like that out, you could be their lyricist.


To the first part, your a total moron if you think pop song's have choruses at all. The whole song is a chorus with no verse/pre verse/breakdown or solo needed. I know you just like arguing, as your also the moron who thinks modes are super useful, but maybe you should learn what the hell your talking about first. Don't believe me? How about a rock star who has been in the business for 20+ years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFHD7kuAqu4

To the second part, I know I seem like a rockstar to someone with a tiny mind such as yourself, here is a quote from the band about their lyrical content: "All our songs are short stories that, if anyone would so choose they could convert it into a horror movie. Really, that's all it is. We like gruesome, scary movies, and we want the lyrics to be like that. Yeah, it's about killing people."

What wonderful philosophical lyrics these gentlemen write. Perhaps if they ever wrote a song that meant anything to themselves, they would write something good for the first time ever. As it stands, they seem to admit only sociopaths and idiots should be motivated by their music. I'm going to assume your a idiot.
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To the second part, I know I seem like a rockstar to someone with a tiny mind such as yourself, here is a quote from the band about their lyrical content: "All our songs are short stories that, if anyone would so choose they could convert it into a horror movie. Really, that's all it is. We like gruesome, scary movies, and we want the lyrics to be like that. Yeah, it's about killing people."

What wonderful philosophical lyrics these gentlemen write. Perhaps if they ever wrote a song that meant anything to themselves, they would write something good for the first time ever. As it stands, they seem to admit only sociopaths and idiots should be motivated by their music. I'm going to assume your a idiot.



Or a fan of goreporn horror and B slasher movies. I am not, but I get why someone is. And philosophical lyrics, or lack of, you are correct. Closest to a song CC has that that resembles "deep" is the title song of the album where Frantic Disembowelment is also from, The Wretched Spawn. A song about thoughts of a woman who conceives a child that had its start from rape.

Why you are so hostile about this? What did the band or its fans do to you? CC is like trashy popcorn flick. Quick fix for speed and violence, combination of Saw and Michael Bay. We know it and its fans know it but only you seem to have a big problem with it.

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