emilxert
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Hey. I'm totally new to guitar amplification tools. What I've used so far were headphones or pc speakers and Amplitube for an iPad. I'm not eager to get the best sound possible, but I'd like someone to give their opinion on two things:
1. http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/products/marshall_mg412acf_carbon_fibre_120w_angled_cab_mg100hcfx.asp

This Marshall cabinet.

2. Would 120 Watts be too much for just a regular apartment room?

I'm not looking for an amplifier, as I'd just like to stay with digital software.
In case this cabinet is crap or 120 Watts aren't appropriate for such small space, I'm all ears if you have other cabinet alternatives to recommend.

Thanks.
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The MG series is usually seen to be crap, but I haven't tried the cabs so no comment. Also someone more wise might correct me but the volume of the cab will depend more on the signal going into it, not its individual wattage.
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I have heard that Marshall MG cabs have bad speakers so I would look at some other cabs. Of course if you can try it and like it then buy it. But I would try to look at something with Celestions or some other well known speakers inside. Or then just ask somebody that knows a lot about different speakers.

The wattage of the cab is just about power handling. That means if you have a head with more than 120 watts, it would be risky to play through the cab. The cab isn't loud, your amp is (the cab is passive, not active so it requires no power). So the volume has a lot more to do with your amp than your cab. The cab can have different kind of speakers and some speakers are louder than others. But again, it's more about the amp you have. And you can always turn your amp down. 5 watt amp might not sound any better at low volumes than a 100 watt amp.
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I'm also looking for other options below 500$. Any other Marshall cabinet recommendations?
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Quote by emilxert
I'm also looking for other options below 500$. Any other Marshall cabinet recommendations?

If you want Marshall, I think you could get a 1936 for that price. It's a 2x12 cabinet. But do you need a Marshall? I know it's cool to have something that says Marshall on it but I think you could do better with the money. You'll aways need to pay for the name a bit.

If you need a Marshall, look for used cabs. Marshall cabs need to look used, I think that's when they look the coolest.

Another option is to buy that MG cabinet and do a speaker upgrade. Though then you need to buy four speakers and it might be more expensive than buying a 1960 cabinet that is The Marshall Cabinet.

Look used and also look at other manufacturers than Marshall. Look at speaker comparison demos on Youtube and look at cabs that have the speakers you like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWK0sa7tlfI

This video shows some differences between different speakers.
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A used 1960 is better than a new MG.

Does it have to be Marshall?
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Quote by emilxert
Hey. I'm totally new to guitar amplification tools. What I've used so far were headphones or pc speakers and Amplitube for an iPad. I'm not eager to get the best sound possible, but I'd like someone to give their opinion on two things:
1. http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/products/marshall_mg412acf_carbon_fibre_120w_angled_cab_mg100hcfx.asp

This Marshall cabinet.

2. Would 120 Watts be too much for just a regular apartment room?

I'm not looking for an amplifier, as I'd just like to stay with digital software.In case this cabinet is crap or 120 Watts aren't appropriate for such small space, I'm all ears if you have other cabinet alternatives to recommend.

Thanks.


You can't use a cab without some kind of power amp. If you are playing with a digital setup, just buy a nice pair of monitors/headphones and call it a day.
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Yeah, a cab is totally worthless in this situation. Your iPad or computer can't drive a guitar cab.

You can spend a lot less than $500 and get a really nice set of powered studio monitors, which will sound better with your emulation software anyway.
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Oh what? No amp? Yeah, you need some powered monitors, not a 4x12.
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Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
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Boss GT-100


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Quote by zl1288
You can't use a cab without some kind of power amp. If you are playing with a digital setup, just buy a nice pair of monitors/headphones and call it a day.


Got half way down the page and was shocked nobody had noticed this... getting sloppy fellas

To the OP, as others have suggested, a traditional guitar cabinet such as the one you linked to is useless without a proper guitar amp.

The only powered monitors I have experience with are a pair of M-Audio Studiophile AVs. They are 30 watts RMS and are perfecty fine for bedroom rocking. They get loud, they are strong and clear in sound and under £100.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/maudio_av40_studiophile.htm?gclid=CJye6YvciLQCFXHLtAodbywAtA

However, with your (assumed) budget) you could probably look at higher grade options. Good luck
emilxert
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Ok, I've just decided to get a cheaper and smaller combo amplifier, guys)

Another and last question is: if I connect my guitar through Amplitube iRig to an iPad and some really huge speakers with big wattage through 3.5 mm jack, wouldn't it blow up the device?
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Oh, forgot to mention that I was considering to use this cabinet in some bigger space later. Why Marshall? well, as a newbie in using amplification tools, I can't quite see the difference between products. That's why I trust those manufacturers, whose products are widely respected. Oh, regarding this "Your iPad or computer can't drive a guitar cab", this is how I thought I would make it all work: http://youtube.com/watch?v=T4F9VWwK_NM.

Thanks for all replies, topic is closed.
gregs1020
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i think it's still open.

no offense but you don't run the internet.
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Quote by emilxert
Ok, I've just decided to get a cheaper and smaller combo amplifier, guys)

Another and last question is: if I connect my guitar through Amplitube iRig to an iPad and some really huge speakers with big wattage through 3.5 mm jack, wouldn't it blow up the device?

A combo is a good choice.
No, you can't blow up your iPad like that. The power only goes one way. Powered speakers just take the input signal and amplify it before it hits the speaker. It doesn't matter what you plug into it, and you're not making the iPod power the speakers on its own so it's not working any harder than it would with headphones or a smaller speaker.

Quote by emilxert
Oh, forgot to mention that I was considering to use this cabinet in some bigger space later. Why Marshall? well, as a newbie in using amplification tools, I can't quite see the difference between products. That's why I trust those manufacturers, whose products are widely respected. Oh, regarding this "Your iPad or computer can't drive a guitar cab", this is how I thought I would make it all work: (snip).

Thanks for all replies, topic is closed.

Cheap Marshalls aren't widely respected. Marshall plays off name recognition like in your case to sell mediocre gear to people who don't bother to do more research.

And that's not a cab, that's a combo. Preamp, power amp, cab, all in one. Huge difference between that and a cab.

If you'll forgive the analogy:
A preamp is a truck driver.
A power amp is the semi truck.
A cab is the trailer.

If you just have a driver and a trailer you're not going anywhere. The driver tells the truck what to do and the trailer follows.
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Quote by emilxert
Why Marshall? well, as a newbie in using amplification tools, I can't quite see the difference between products. That's why I trust those manufacturers, whose products are widely respected.


there's your problem. marketing people know people trust the big brands, so they massively rip them off with cheap tat. that's not to say all marshall products are bad. but the MGs are.
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Quote by Roc8995
A combo is a good choice.
No, you can't blow up your iPad like that. The power only goes one way. Powered speakers just take the input signal and amplify it before it hits the speaker. It doesn't matter what you plug into it, and you're not making the iPod power the speakers on its own so it's not working any harder than it would with headphones or a smaller speaker.


Cheap Marshalls aren't widely respected. Marshall plays off name recognition like in your case to sell mediocre gear to people who don't bother to do more research.

And that's not a cab, that's a combo. Preamp, power amp, cab, all in one. Huge difference between that and a cab.

If you'll forgive the analogy:
A preamp is a truck driver.
A power amp is the semi truck.
A cab is the trailer.

If you just have a driver and a trailer you're not going anywhere. The driver tells the truck what to do and the trailer follows.


I'm not trying to pick apart your analogy, just clear this up in case of confusion:

In the semi instance, you can have just a drriver and truck and be fine, but with an amp, you have to have the trailer also or it won't do you any good.

Listen to what he's saying about Marhsall, though. They aren't the only company that does this, so we aren't picking on just them. The MG series is seriously aweful. It's the second most terrible amp I've ever played (I owned one a while back) the only thing worse is the Line 6 Spider amps.

If you want some good information and some good options for your situation, give us the information listed here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387138

If you give us that info, we can help you be on your way to having good tone and making an investment you won't regret later on.
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Quote by Blktiger0
I'm not trying to pick apart your analogy, just clear this up in case of confusion:

In the semi instance, you can have just a drriver and truck and be fine, but with an amp, you have to have the trailer also or it won't do you any good.

Good point.
Weirdly enough, I guess you could just reverse it. You can have just a power amp and cab if you really want to, though it's usually inefficient, but you half to have a power amp and a speaker. Although you can just use headphones and a preamp. And now Google is making those cars that drive themselves so I don't know what to believe any more.
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Quote by Roc8995
Good point.
Weirdly enough, I guess you could just reverse it. You can have just a power amp and cab if you really want to, though it's usually inefficient, but you half to have a power amp and a speaker. Although you can just use headphones and a preamp. And now Google is making those cars that drive themselves so I don't know what to believe any more.


I just say we keep it simple and do away with heads and cabs and power amps and preamps. Only combos from now on.

I mean, those have a pre and power amp in them, but there's less confusion
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Quote by Blktiger0
I just say we keep it simple and do away with heads and cabs and power amps and preamps. Only combos from now on.

I mean, those have a pre and power amp in them, but there's less confusion



so that.
Quote by Roc8995
I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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Quote by Roc8995
Good point.
Weirdly enough, I guess you could just reverse it. You can have just a power amp and cab if you really want to, though it's usually inefficient, but you half to have a power amp and a speaker. Although you can just use headphones and a preamp. And now Google is making those cars that drive themselves so I don't know what to believe any more.

Or the Navitron Autodrive?



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he's in the sleeper playing words with friends on his ipad.

it looks like we've come full circle.

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Quote by Roc8995
I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

Quote by JustRooster
The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
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Quote by Wesbanez
Got half way down the page and was shocked nobody had noticed this... getting sloppy fellas
That was my first thought! Was everyone out late last night or something?


Anyway OP, you're being silly and going down totally the wrong route.

The iRig is a fun little practice/demo recording tool, but the preamp of any half decent modelling combo will outclass it - with much less hassle or risk of batteries dying. Of you could plug into the PC and get better AD/DA comversion and better modelling.
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Quote by emilxert
as a newbie in using amplification tools, I can't quite see the difference between products. That's why I trust those manufacturers, whose products are widely respected.


Seriously, this made me chuckle. He's like a marketing/sales persons wet dream
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Quote by emilxert
Why Marshall? well, as a newbie in using amplification tools, I can't quite see the difference between products. That's why I trust those manufacturers, whose products are widely respected.

Then it's time to start listening to what sounds good to you. You need to start listening to it some day so why not start it now? Go and try some amps in a guitar store and find out if something has a sound that pleases your ears. Playing the guitar is about making good sounding music. So it's also about listening, not just playing.

Manufacturers can build cheap crappy amps and sell them because people will buy them because they have Marshall or Fender logo on them and don't cost that much.
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Bach Stradivarius 37G
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Yamaha FG720S-12
Yamaha P115
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Lol, stop disappointing in me, guys)

I'm not that reach to purchase expensive gear yet! And all this crappy digital amplification is yet something I can afford. Don't tell me that if I could afford a damn tablet, I can afford a wonderful amp and/or a cab). I got a guitar much later than the device.

That's why I'm just asking, looking for something to begin with. And I see all your points, I do).

So, since I've changed my mind and look for a combo-amp, what are other options under 500 bucks to check out?
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Quote by gregs1020
he's in the sleeper playing words with friends on his ipad.

it looks like we've come full circle.

YYYEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH! !! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !





Seriously, TS, give us the information that Cath asked for and that I asked for. Once you do that, we can actually help you. Until then, Vypyr.
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Quote by Roc8995
I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

Quote by JustRooster
The slugs in the pickups for telecasters are from old winchester rifles, which is why they sound so country.
emilxert
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Ok, here we go:

$500 Budget;
Blues, Blues-Rock, Rock-N-Roll, Jazz;
New Combo-amp;
Home and gigs in relatively small locations (10x10 meter space)
Moscow (lol, don't think you're aware of any shops in here; moreover there's only one place I'll buy gear at);
Epiphone LP-100, digital amplification (Amplitube, iPad).
randomguy2000
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#33
how's the used market in moscow?
fender blues jr?
laney vc30 ?
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Tone is in the fingers.

What you really need is a new amp.

(Anything I missed?)



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I have been hearing about MG amps lately. I have heard good about them, but only a few times have they been talked about here.

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Quote by emilxert
Fender costs about a 1000 here:

http://www.muztorg.ru/search/?query=fender+blues+jr&search_button=%ED%E0%E9%F2%E8

I don't care about used markets, pal)


If you aren't willing to go used, then you're gonna have way less options and you're gonna have to seriously compromise on at least one of those tones.

I mean, even with your budget, you aren't getting Jazz cleans and Rock N Roll overdrive in one box.

I would say to see about getting a Marshall JCM2000 DSL401, but you would HAVE to go used. They have new ones, but they aren't quite as nice. You could check those out, too, though.

You could get the DSL15H and then get a 2x12 combo.

I'm not sure if they have Jet City over there, but you could check them out. The JCA22 might work for you, but the cleans aren't great.

You might look into a Valveking, but they really aren't anything to write home about.

Check to see if Blackheart is available there

If you're okay with Hybrid, you could look into Blackstar's HT series stuff

If you could find a used Crate V series or Palamino, they aren't bad, but again, you won't have great cleans.

That's all I've got for now, but if I think of anything else, I'll let you know. Maybe if you could give us a list of brands that are available? Also, you should seriously consider going used.
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Quote by emilxert
http://www.muztorg.ru/cat/details/50688/#comments

You mean this one?

All others brands are missing

Yes. But it's not made any more so you need to go used. You won't find a new one. And I would really go used if Blues Junior costs that much ($1000). In some other country you could get two Blues Jrs for the same price. And why not used? It really doesn't matter how old your amp is. If it was about guitars, I would rather go new but amps really don't get that much worse when they get older (people still use Marshall amps from the 70s and 80s because they sound better than the new ones). I have over 10 years old Laney VC30 (I bought it used this year) and it works well. Actually the older ones are said to have better speakers than the new ones. And I bought my VC30 for under half the price of a new one. I have only had to do one thing: Change a microphonic pre amp tube. But usually people recommend you to swap the stock tubes even if the amp is new because it doesn't sound as good with cheap stock tubes.
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Just remember that there are no boring scales, just boring players.

Gear

Bach Stradivarius 37G
Charvel So Cal
Hartke HyDrive 210c
Ibanez BL70
Laney VC30
Tokai TB48
Yamaha FG720S-12
Yamaha P115