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hi! not sure f thats the right place to ask it but-
why people use many effects and not just get a multi effect?

is there any high quality multi effect that will give the same quality of a train of different delays,distortions and so?

thanks!
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Some people like the customizability, others its a financial thing being they don't have 2 grand+ for axe effects. For me personally its the fact its way way way cheaper to upgrade a pedal (meaning you are not happy with one pedal and want to switch or something new comes out and blows something out of the water like in the case of fuzz, delay or reverb). Some people also just like the sound of old school analog pedals as well. Its a fairly divese pool of reasons why many people stick with pedals.
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Quote by amit190
hi! not sure f thats the right place to ask it but-
why people use many effects and not just get a multi effect?

because individual pedals are generally better than their multifx counterparts.

is there any high quality multi effect that will give the same quality of a train of different delays,distortions and so?

not really. eventide and strymon make decent delay and modulation multifx, but distortion on most multifx is generally shit.
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I think a lot of people that go boutique do it for the sake of doing it - it's fun, and cool to build a pedal collection.

A fact to consider is that while there are some MFX that can beat out any stompbox any day (TC Electronic, Fractal), digital dirt/OD sims just aren't that good yet.

Personally, I started off with just pedals, then went completely digital/MIDI, and now recently I've found what works for me with a combo of both (analog dirt & compression, digital everything else).


Another huge factor is what people *need*. Personally, I absolutely despise the tapdance. It's why I gave up pedals in the first place. Some people though, just don't use many different sounds, so they never really deal with the tapdance. I do, so I needed to go MIDI.

MIDI gives a ton of options and customizeability. Some people just simply don't like having that, and prefer an old fashioned straight up analog setup.


TL;DR there's lots of reasons to go digital/MIDI or go analog, and there are top quality options in both formats (perhaps with the exception of digital dirt)... at the end of the day it doesn't matter what other people do - just experiment until you find what works for you.
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Because one pedal made to do one effect usually does it better than a jack-of-all-trades one.
Depends on the unit.
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Depends on the unit.
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Depends on the unit.
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Multi effects that most people can afford sound like shit imo.

There are some effects that digital effects units cannot recreate faithfully like germanium fuzzes and tape echos.
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Quote by Offworld92
I think a lot of people that go boutique do it for the sake of doing it - it's fun, and cool to build a pedal collection.

A fact to consider is that while there are some MFX that can beat out any stompbox any day (TC Electronic, Fractal), digital dirt/OD sims just aren't that good yet.

Personally, I started off with just pedals, then went completely digital/MIDI, and now recently I've found what works for me with a combo of both (analog dirt & compression, digital everything else).


Another huge factor is what people *need*. Personally, I absolutely despise the tapdance. It's why I gave up pedals in the first place. Some people though, just don't use many different sounds, so they never really deal with the tapdance. I do, so I needed to go MIDI.

MIDI gives a ton of options and customizeability. Some people just simply don't like having that, and prefer an old fashioned straight up analog setup.


TL;DR there's lots of reasons to go digital/MIDI or go analog, and there are top quality options in both formats (perhaps with the exception of digital dirt)... at the end of the day it doesn't matter what other people do - just experiment until you find what works for you.



This has to be a well thought out reply but i'd like to add one thing....

A lot of guitarists are lazy and cbf reading a manual and take the time to learn how to get the best out of a multi effect unit so they stick with what they know... i also use a combination of both multi and stomp on my pedalboard
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Quote by Talon64
This has to be a well thought out reply but i'd like to add one thing....

A lot of guitarists are lazy and cbf reading a manual and take the time to learn how to get the best out of a multi effect unit so they stick with what they know... i also use a combination of both multi and stomp on my pedalboard


I am also a bit guilty of this, I had a Boss Me33 before and found it a nightmare to get all the levels from the different banks the same a nightmare...... But I think some of the new (and very expensive) G systems can plug into a laptop and have a nice user display, thats something id be interested in if I could afford it..

Would love something like J from dinosaur jr and Dan from Black keys have where they have all their stomp boxes controled by a nice tidy foot switch board - videos are on youtube
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My Boss GT 100 sounds like shit compared to the effects I have now, and a lot of my pedals are Boss!
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i find that having to bend down and adjust a setting every time i need to switch fx is a hassle

its easier to just use individual stompboxes to get the sound you need at any given moment... plus lots of fun ways rearrange your fx chain to get diff sounds... as well as combining fx... which doesn't really happen with multifx pedals, unless you're going to buy something really high end.
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I use a combination of both and I always have. A MFX for delays and some effects and a mild eq notch for my amp and everything else in individual pedals. mostly distortions/overdrives, but I use a couple modulators, chorus, phasers and wah. It's much more fun for me and it just looks so cool to have a board full of wonderful stompboxes! I use the MXF for recording too, but to get a great distortion takes time and out of the box thinking, but it is possible!!
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Quote by sysD
i find that having to bend down and adjust a setting every time i need to switch fx is a hassle

its easier to just use individual stompboxes to get the sound you need at any given moment... plus lots of fun ways rearrange your fx chain to get diff sounds... as well as combining fx... which doesn't really happen with multifx pedals, unless you're going to buy something really high end.

WTF? I use a MFX rack system mainly so I don't have to reach down and adjust anything. Everything is programmed with the settings I need for the song and I just select the right patch for it. No adjustments needed because you you've already done it. No tap dancing, just hit it and go.
Sounds to me like you've only used cheap crap.
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WTF? I use a MFX rack system mainly so I don't have to reach down and adjust anything. Everything is programmed with the settings I need for the song and I just select the right patch for it. No adjustments needed because you you've already done it. No tap dancing, just hit it and go.
Sounds to me like you've only used cheap crap.



yeah man, i don't spend over $300 for any individual pedal, you're so superior to me

that being said, i like the tones i get out of my "cheap crap"
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yeah man, i don't spend over $300 for any individual pedal, you're so superior to me

that being said, i like the tones i get out of my "cheap crap"

WTF are you talking about? I point out why what you said is complete crap and I'm claiming to be superior? **** off idiot.
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WTF? I use a MFX rack system mainly so I don't have to reach down and adjust anything. Everything is programmed with the settings I need for the song and I just select the right patch for it. No adjustments needed because you you've already done it. No tap dancing, just hit it and go.
Sounds to me like you've only used cheap crap.



what is MFX rack system? never heard about it..
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What you said was just plain wrong. Using individual pedals doesn't mean you have to bend over and adjust things less often - quite the opposite. In fact so wrong that what people like myself have gone away from individual pedals precisely to avoid doing what you are claiming to be a MFX unit's shortcomings. It's pedals that suffer from that, not proper MFX units.
You're just wrong, wrong, wrong.



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what is MFX rack system? never heard about it..
Any multi effects unit/s that live in a rack.
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It's okay Cath, calm down
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What can you say except

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I was talking about multi-effect pedals in contrast to single effect pedals.

Did you miss your shot of insulin or something...?
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Yes and you're wrong. MultiFX units make it easier to change settings, not harder. You only have to program it once.
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you're so deadset on your opinion that i'm just going to continue to antagonize you.
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Dude, how is that an opinion? What Cath said is a fact. MFX are set and forget. And because they're digital, you can't even accidentally mess them up like you can on a pedal. Explain your reasoning.
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It's my opinion that selecting a patch with a single button which changes ALL your settings is easier than having to adjust individual pedals between songs? That's not just an opinion, that's reality. It IS easier to change settings on a well programmed MFX unit. How is that an opinion?
You don't know what the **** you are talking about. Now go away.
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i've never used a rack system, the only experience i have with multifx is one or two pedals i used (not mine) that required manual switching (via scrolling_) of fx. this meant that you'd have to scroll past "x" amount of fx to get to the one you wanted.

based on my experience, i found it much easier to have a pedalboard. plus, i like my analog. with a line switcher, different possibilities open up as far as presets... but more pedals are involved.

i've never really considered getting an fx unit >$300 because it never really seemed worth it. but then again i'm a creature of habit, and like i said - i likes my analogs.

however, imho, if digital is where you want to go, i think software is the way to do it. instead of having a rack, though, why not just have a laptop set up instead? you can have a virtually unlimited amount of presets with that option, as well as whatever amp modelling software and a DAW for recording at the same time...
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The advantage of a rack is that it's all there ready to go, more reliable, no screwing around with computers, everything linked via MIDI. Dedicated units that do exactly what you want every time. Just turn it on, plug in and go. Laptops are fine for screwing around at home but keep that shit off my stage.
Your opinions are based on what inferior units do. To say it as a blanket statement about MFX units is simply wrong. Buy something decent and everything you said was totally wrong. People use racks for convenience. You program it once and never have to worry about it again.
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The advantage of a rack is that it's all there ready to go, more reliable, no screwing around with computers, everything linked via MIDI. Dedicated units that do exactly what you want every time. Just turn it on, plug in and go. Laptops are fine for screwing around at home but keep that shit off my stage.
Your opinions are based on what inferior units do. To say it as a blanket statement about MFX units is simply wrong. Buy something decent and everything you said was totally wrong. People use racks for convenience. You program it once and never have to worry about it again.


Alright, noted.

Good dedicated dig units are expensive though - which is why I've never bothered with them.
If I can get a good OD, a wah, and a delay, all for under $500, I'm happy with that. There's a lot of superfluous fx that, honestly, I don't see myself using too often. eg ring mod

and i think you may be underestimating some of the pc software out there. i've gotten some pretty nice tones coming out of a program as simple as guitar rig running out to a cabinet. i think pc fx have their place on a stage
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i've never used a rack system, the only experience i have with multifx is one or two pedals i used (not mine) that required manual switching (via scrolling_) of fx. this meant that you'd have to scroll past "x" amount of fx to get to the one you wanted.

By your logic I could say that Multi's sound better and are more durable than individual pedals because the GT-100 sounds better than a Behringer HM300 and is more durable.
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I've used pc's on stage. They shit me to tears. The amount of EM interference on most stages often locks them up - and it always happens at the worst possible time. The lights start going crazy at the climax of the song and the computer locks up. I have never had a rack unit lock up ever.
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By your logic I could say that Multi's sound better and are more durable than individual pedals because the GT-100 sounds better than a Behringer HM300 and is more durable.


Lol alright, I admit my original post/argument was flawed.

I still think analogs sound better though.
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That way you just buy what you need/want, not a bunch of crap you'll never use
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Ah, gotcha there too. My GP-8 is mostly analog (apart from chorus and delay) with digital control.
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At the end of the day, it all depends on what you want.
I have no use for a multieffects because I don't use enough effects to make one worth it.
I usually have to change from a clean tone with chorus, to a dirty tone, which I can do in one stomp.
Other than that, it's just turning on EQ and/or delay for a solo, or using wah.

Both have their uses, their downfalls, and their shortcomings.
The cheap ones usually are lackluster in everything, but are good for getting your feet wet.