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whatadrag
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#1
Do you believe you have this right? I believe it is protected under the 1st amendment of the U.S. Constitution and federal courts have generally ruled in favor of this, to my knowledge.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1923125,00.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/flipping-off-cops-is-legal-not-advised/

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.42.htm
willT08
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Why don't you just not do it and not worry about the legality of it?

EDIT: Didn't even clock that you tried to refer to it as a right
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I believe it's protected as well. However you never know when you're going to run into an illiterate cop who confuses insult with assault.
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I've never thought about it. Provoking people who could ruin my life isn't a hobby of mine.
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Some NYPD will hassle you for just looking at them too long. By all means it should be a right but I'm not planning on testing it.
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Americans' obsession with their rights is ridiculous. Just use some common sense, you don't have to do something just because you can.
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Americans' obsession with their rights is ridiculous. Just use some common sense, you don't have to do something just because you can.
Seriously. Americans make me laugh sometimes.
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Quote by AtaBorMan
Americans' obsession with their rights is ridiculous. Just use some common sense, you don't have to do something just because you can.

As an American, I agree with you. Here's the reality, TS...

Cops generally work their asses off dealing with scumbags. Why exactly would you A) NOT show them basic respect ("Yes, sir", "No, sir", don't flip him off, etc.) and B) want to provoke them? How would you feel if you just spent the day booking some petty thief and then some smartass kid flips you off because 1) he says it's protected by the 1st Amendment AND 2) because he thinks it's funny. I'd be pissed.

Edit:
And, for the record, obscenities are NOT protected under the 1st Amendment. The Amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Obscenity (which is what flipping off a cop is; it's a "Fuck you") are not protected speech. Read this for various laws in obscenity in the US.
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Quote by crazysam23_Atax
As an American, I agree with you. Here's the reality, TS...

Cops generally work their asses off dealing with scumbags. Why exactly would you A) NOT show them basic respect ("Yes, sir", "No, sir", don't flip him off, etc.) and B) want to provoke them? How would you feel if you just spent the day booking some petty thief and then some smartass kid flips you off because 1) he says it's protected by the 1st Amendment AND 2) because he thinks it's funny. I'd be pissed.

Maybe this is an american thing, but I'm not sure why cops qualify for respect above and beyond what is considered the norm for everyone else. By all means be polite, but that sir shit? Sounds kinda sycophantic to be honest.
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Don't flip them off, don't be sycophants...you're giving us nothing to work with here.
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Maybe this is an american thing, but I'm not sure why cops qualify for respect above and beyond what is considered the norm for everyone else. By all means be polite, but that sir shit? Sounds kinda sycophantic to be honest.

Don't get too uptight about the specifics, he was just saying to treat him like a professional, the same way you'd treat doctors and teachers.

And if you think those last two are also sycophantic, than that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Don't **** with police, period. Never know if they'll pull out a gun and unload 7 shots into your chest for looking at them wrong.
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Quote by whatadrag
Do you believe you have this right? I believe it is protected under the 1st amendment of the U.S. Constitution and federal courts have generally ruled in favor of this, to my knowledge.



The title of the second article Flipping Off Cops Is Legal, Not Advised


It would fall under disorderly conduct and can get tricky. It's up to the cop to determine at which point you crossed the line from protected speech into disorderly conduct.

It's legal to use foul language, but stand on the sidewalk and start screaming it at passers-by and you will get arrested.
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Well I think you should be allowed to do it, but I also think it's more trouble than it's worth.

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Americans' obsession with their rights is ridiculous. Just use some common sense, you don't have to do something just because you can.

There seems to be an attitude of "If you don't abuse it, you lose it."

Which is absurd because you should definitely lose it if you abuse it and they've been abusing it forever and are still yet to lose it.
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Don't **** with police, period. Never know if they'll pull out a gun and unload 7 shots into your chest for looking at them wrong.


I know 100% that they won't because our police don't need to carry guns because our country is smart.
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I know 100% that they won't because our police don't need to carry guns because our country is smart.


^ I raise your can of worms and add the fact that UK now has trolling laws and cameras in your toilet bowls to make sure you've been properly circumcised
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#22
False. No one in the UK is circumcised, silly. That's another stupid American thing

The trolling laws are pathetic though, makes me sad.
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#23
Quote by jugglingfreak
The title of the second article Flipping Off Cops Is Legal, Not Advised


It would fall under disorderly conduct and can get tricky. It's up to the cop to determine at which point you crossed the line from protected speech into disorderly conduct.It's legal to use foul language, but stand on the sidewalk and start screaming it at passers-by and you will get arrested.


That's a key point, you might beat the rap but you won't beat the ride.

If they want to they can still take you in, put you in a cell with actual real-life no-bullshit scumbags and then simply let you go later with a 'sorry' and unless you've got money and/or clout, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Ask yourself, is exercising your 'right' in this instance worth getting beat up by that HIV positive 2 strikes convict that thinks you would make good prison pussy?

You decide.
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#24
If you flip off a cop, you deserve some bodily assault, ****ing morons. That doesn't say, "Down with the fascist establishment!" It says, "my bruises are starting to go away, how about some fresh ones?" Ignorant ****s like this are what give ANY movement a bad name, and if you do this kind of shit, you're changing the perception of people you probably have no relationship, or possibly even are aware of. Grow the **** up.

Edit: only said **** 3 times, and was going for ****ing five.
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I know 100% that they won't because our police don't need to carry guns because our country is smart.


Not totally true, the PSNI all carry guns because many of us Northern Irish are complete ****tards
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If you flip off a cop, you deserve some bodily assault, ****ing morons. That doesn't say, "Down with the fascist establishment!" It says, "my bruises are starting to go away, how about some fresh ones?" Ignorant ****s like this are what give ANY movement a bad name, and if you do this kind of shit, you're changing the perception of people you probably have no relationship, or possibly even are aware of. Grow the **** up.

Edit: only said **** 3 times, and was going for ****ing five.

Here's a few more for you.

You are a fucking idiot. What the fucking fuck are you even trying to say. Fuck off and have a good hard think about the way you communicate and whatever the fuck it is you're trying to say. Don't come back until you've fucking figured it out.
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Here's a few more for you.

You are a fucking idiot. What the fucking fuck are you even trying to say. Fuck off and have a good hard think about the way you communicate and whatever the fuck it is you're trying to say. Don't come back until you've fucking figured it out.


Leave him alone, he just discovered swearing.
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Quote by Butt Rayge
Here's a few more for you.

You are a fucking idiot. What the fucking fuck are you even trying to say. Fuck off and have a good hard think about the way you communicate and whatever the fuck it is you're trying to say. Don't come back until you've fucking figured it out.


Innovative way to bypass the censors, mate. I'm trying to say anyone who flips off a cop deserves his ****ing ass beat. That's fairly ****ing obvious, mate.
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Innovative way to bypass the censors, mate. I'm trying to say anyone who flips off a cop deserves his ****ing ass beat. That's fairly ****ing obvious, mate.

It's also fairly fucking wrong, mate.

Nobody deserves their "ass beat" for flipping anybody off, mate.
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#31
Am I really the only person in the world who has followed the law and still live perfectly happily?
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Leave him alone, he just discovered swearing.




image fail.

And Rayge, if someone is ignorant enough to provoke a law enforcement officer, they deserve whatever wrath the officer subjects him to.
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Quote by Butt Rayge
It's also fairly fucking wrong, mate.

Nobody deserves their "ass beat" for flipping anybody off, mate.


Agreed.

I can see how it happens, and even understand it, but I'd still want the officer fired if he's so volatile that mere gestures of disrespect make him feel that violence is appropriate.
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#34
At first I was like "I'm going to try and be reasonable and have a thought-out, well-worded opinion with this thread" and typed a big long thing out.

But then I hit the "Preview post" button, scrolled down, saw the last ten posts.



Why is it so hard to have an intelligent discussion involving the police
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Quote by necrosis1193
At first I was like "I'm going to try and be reasonable and have a thought-out, well-worded opinion with this thread" and typed a big long thing out.

But then I hit the "Preview post" button, scrolled down, saw the last ten posts.



Why is it so hard to have an intelligent discussion involving the police


It's because I'm kind of an extremist dirtbag who swears a lot.
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As an American, I agree with you. Here's the reality, TS...

Cops generally work their asses off dealing with scumbags. Why exactly would you A) NOT show them basic respect ("Yes, sir", "No, sir", don't flip him off, etc.) and B) want to provoke them? How would you feel if you just spent the day booking some petty thief and then some smartass kid flips you off because 1) he says it's protected by the 1st Amendment AND 2) because he thinks it's funny. I'd be pissed.

Edit:
And, for the record, obscenities are NOT protected under the 1st Amendment. The Amendment states:


Obscenity (which is what flipping off a cop is; it's a "Fuck you") are not protected speech. Read this for various laws in obscenity in the US.


Bullshit. That wiki link does not talk about flipping the bird at all.

I'm guessing it's legal.
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And Rayge, if someone is ignorant enough to provoke a law enforcement officer, they deserve whatever wrath the officer subjects him to.

That's ridiculous. You think a harmless raised middle finger is deserving of wrath now?

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That's ridiculous. You think a harmless raised middle finger is deserving of wrath now?


If you think my use of the F word is ignorant or obscene, or rather both, what does flipping off a police officer say about one's character, whatever their motives?
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If you think my use of the F word is ignorant or obscene, or rather both, what does flipping off a police officer say about one's character, whatever their motives?

I don't give a cuntsuck how many swear words you use.
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#40
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And Rayge, if someone is ignorant enough to provoke a law enforcement officer, they deserve whatever wrath the officer subjects him to.

That's the equivalent of saying its okay if one bystander throws the finger to another innocent bystander and goes to jail for it.
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