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There are threads about various models: Ibanez, Jackson, Kramer etc. but no general threads about the SuperStrat Design.

So what are your favorite SuperStrats and what do you like about them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstrat
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USA Jackson's because the neck profiles on them are da bomb.
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My favorite designs:

http://www.vintagekramer.com/company12.htm

http://www.vintagekramer.com/stage.htm

Back in the 80s these designs were revolutionary. Since then they have been copied by almost every other guitar maker, except for the metal-loaded Showster design which was patented by Excellente and not sold to Gibson.

I also like the design of the Ibanez Trems.
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Quote by Vendetta V
does a regular strat (hotrodded though) count?


That is basically what EVH did? Took a Strat body and put a humbucker in the bridge and installed a locking trem.
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I'm a big fan of carved top SuperStrats (ESP Horizons, etc). I own a couple (LTD MH400 and H1007).
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Quote by Vendetta V
does a regular strat (hotrodded though) count?


as long as it's SUPER and can do what no normal strat can .

um.. i'm kinda missing the point of this thread myself. a super strat design is a strat style guitar with humbuckers not much to talk about there. as for the various models put out over the years well seems like ibanez made the most of it. played charvel and kramer's in the 80s both were decent.
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I've owned several Floyd Rose equipped SuperStrats, but I've never owned an Ibanez. For those who have owned both, How would you compare the FR to Ibanez Trems?
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i pretty much like all superstrats they're just awesome.

really liked the tyler i tried. silly money, though, and it's not like you have to go anywhere near that money to get a good guitar. vigiers are very nice, too.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
i pretty much like all superstrats they're just awesome.

really liked the tyler i tried. silly money, though, and it's not like you have to go anywhere near that money to get a good guitar. vigiers are very nice, too.


Heard great things about Vigiers, but never seen one in a shop.
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Heard great things about Vigiers, but never seen one in a shop.


played one a few years back. it had a funky trem of their own design which was ok but not great. the guitar itself played and sounded great but the price was really high and it didn't sound that great.
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Depends on the ibanez trem, but just avoid the Edge 3 seems to be the consensus.


Basically I'm interested in these improvements:

"... The Edge offers a number of improvements from the Original Floyd Rose, namely locking studs (for improved tuning stability, added in 1987-8), a spring retainer on the tremolo block (again, added in 1987-8) and a pop-in arm."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibanez_Edge
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Quote by LP1951
Basically I'm interested in these improvements:

"... The Edge offers a number of improvements from the Original Floyd Rose, namely locking studs (for improved tuning stability, added in 1987-8), a spring retainer on the tremolo block (again, added in 1987-8) and a pop-in arm."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibanez_Edge


you might be better off looking at the newer edge zero which uses ball sockets and has been proven to be a better system overall.
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Quote by monwobobbo
you might be better off looking at the newer edge zero which uses ball sockets and has been proven to be a better system overall.


The edge zero does look like a superior system. I especially like the ease of setting intonation. Setting intonation on a FR is not so easy. Also like the spring tension knob. I string my FR guitar with the ball through the tuning pegs, so the the ball through saddle design is not that attractive to me.
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Are super strats like regular strats, but with laser beams and stuff?

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Quote by monwobobbo
as long as it's SUPER and can do what no normal strat can .

well what I did was install two dual rails (neck and bridge), get 12 pickup combinations possible (!) and installed a Killpot and also changed minor hardware stuff like the string trees. currently waiting for the Floyd Rose to arrive
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Quote by Vendetta V
well what I did was install two dual rails (neck and bridge), get 12 pickup combinations possible (!) and installed a Killpot and also changed minor hardware stuff like the string trees. currently waiting for the Floyd Rose to arrive


That definitely qualifies as a SuperStrat!
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Quote by LP1951
Heard great things about Vigiers, but never seen one in a shop.


yeah i've really liked the ones i've tried- they have a couple of niggly things I don't like (which are pretty much personal preference- i'd prefer a wider neck, and they paint the back of the body black on the ones with maple tops, which i don't like), but i'm still kicking myself i missed a really good deal on one a while back

Quote by monwobobbo
you might be better off looking at the newer edge zero which uses ball sockets and has been proven to be a better system overall.


is it really any better? I mean they're no longer made by gotoh... that in and of itself smacks of costcutting.

never tried the newer edge zero, but a *lot* of people love the original edge, and like it more than the later "improved versions". Ditto the OFR.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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Quote by Dave_Mc
yeah i've really liked the ones i've tried- they have a couple of niggly things I don't like (which are pretty much personal preference- i'd prefer a wider neck, and they paint the back of the body black on the ones with maple tops, which i don't like), but i'm still kicking myself i missed a really good deal on one a while back


is it really any better? I mean they're no longer made by gotoh... that in and of itself smacks of costcutting.

never tried the newer edge zero, but a *lot* of people love the original edge, and like it more than the later "improved versions". Ditto the OFR.


cost cutting aside at least on paper the edge zero is better. granted i've only tried a couple of guitars with it and can't vouch for how well it does in the long term. not having the knife edge to wear out seems like a good plan though. i'll say that i've been a FR guy for the most part and only owned guitars with the original not a liscensed. stopped using locking trems about 5 years ago.
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What the ****

A thread on super strats and not one mention of charvel?

Bah


reread and you'll see at least 2 mentions.
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Quote by monwobobbo
cost cutting aside at least on paper the edge zero is better. granted i've only tried a couple of guitars with it and can't vouch for how well it does in the long term. not having the knife edge to wear out seems like a good plan though. i'll say that i've been a FR guy for the most part and only owned guitars with the original not a liscensed. stopped using locking trems about 5 years ago.


The intonation adjust bolt is a very nice feature.
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There is a distinct lack of guitar porn in this thread so please allow me to supply some with pictures of Superstrats I've owned and stupidly sold
















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^ aw man they're all awesome

Quote by monwobobbo
cost cutting aside at least on paper the edge zero is better. granted i've only tried a couple of guitars with it and can't vouch for how well it does in the long term. not having the knife edge to wear out seems like a good plan though. i'll say that i've been a FR guy for the most part and only owned guitars with the original not a liscensed. stopped using locking trems about 5 years ago.


yeah no knife edge means nothing to wear out, but then on the other hand it might not react like a knife edge trem and a lot of people want something that reacts like a knife edge trem.

and yeah the long term thing is the thing.

Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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Quote by Dave_Mc
^ aw man they're all awesome


yeah no knife edge means nothing to wear out, but then on the other hand it might not react like a knife edge trem and a lot of people want something that reacts like a knife edge trem.

and yeah the long term thing is the thing.



OFR on Showster is still holding up after 20+ years and LFR are still in good shape after 10+ years.
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Don't need a Floyd to be a Super Strat dude

As long as its an evolution of the traditional guitar it counts... Though your probably right about the JP6
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Quote by LP1951
OFR on Showster is still holding up after 20+ years and LFR are still in good shape after 10+ years.


yeah i mean the high quality knife edge trems don't seem to wear out much.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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Quote by Way Cool JR.
6 of those aren't Superstrats.

They've got to have a Floyd Rose/Kahler locking style bridge on them. Nice guitars tho


My only true Superstrat. I have another but it's shaped more like a PRS or Gibson, so I guess I can't count that one.



I agree. If it does not have a Locking Trem, it is not a SuperStrat, ie, A basic fat strat is not a SuperStrat.

That is a beautiful SuperStrat that you have there, Way Cool. What is it?
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So what the original Charvels don't count as a super strat guitar?

They defined the species....
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So what the original Charvels don't count as a super strat guitar?

They defined the species....


No, EVH's Kramer with the Floyd Rose, defined the species. Without a locking trem, it is not a SuperStrat.
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Looks like a Super Strat to me.

Also 5150 wasn't originally a Kramer, it was an Ash bodied strat. He then fitted a Kramer neck on it. It still wasn't a Kramer.

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They do have to have a Tremolo on them as long as it is not a vintage style 6 point or 2 point. I guess a Wilkinson style variant is alright/passable. But fixed bridge and vintage style don't count as a Superstrat at all.


Fair enough... So what is a hard tailed RG? A Fat Strat?

Seems a bit retarded to say it has to have an floating trem.
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Quote by Tom 1.0

Looks like a Super Strat to me.

Also 5150 wasn't originally a Kramer, it was an Ash bodied strat. He then fitted a Kramer neck on it. It still wasn't a Kramer.



By Definition the FrankenStrat had a FR. You can call the pre-FR EVHs frankensteins, but by definition they are not SuperStrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstrat

Overview of the Frankenstrat

The Frankenstrat represented Van Halen's attempt to combine the sound of a classic Gibson guitar with the physical attributes of a Fender. It was originally made from an ash Stratocaster body, with pickup routing that Eddie altered to fit a Gibson PAF humbucking bridge pickup.[1] It had a maple neck and fretboard, and chrome hardware. It developed through several early paint schemes ultimately into the now famous combination of red, with black and white stripes. It is a six-string guitar with a Floyd Rose tremolo.
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