#1
Ok so Im very used to using a mic'd cab into my audio interface and recording stuff.

but now that im on a graveyard schedule I cant be playing and waking up the world

My vengeance has a record line out that uses a mic cable so i can hook straight into my ProFire interface but when i try this it sounds like sin. very very low volume and tone from the 1920's

ive read you need to run cab impulses to get anywhere from a set up like this?
What the balls are cab impulses (noob question im sure)

is this correct?

are there better ways to do this?

btw my recording software is PreSonus studio one.
#2
You are still running the amp with a cab or load box right? If not, you will damage it. The Vengeance does not have a record-out-only feature like the Rebel series.

Also, as far as the volume issues, make sure you are running your interface input as instrument-level and not line-level.
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#3
what do you mean the vengeance doesnt have a record out only feature..... im staring right at it
#4
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what do you mean the vengeance doesnt have a record out only feature..... im staring right at it

You are looking at the record line out. What I meant was a "silent record out" where you can play through the amp without having cab. It does not support that. You will destroy your amp if you don't have it running through a cab or a load box.
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#5
ok that makes more sense.

so essentially. im still screwed. for the whole bedroom volume idea i was going for.
#6
not 100% on topic, but...

every 'line out' 'record out' 'silent output' (not modelers) i have heard clips of sound FAR inferior to that same amp properly mic'd.

i am sure that there are some that are exceptions, but most don't do as well.
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#7
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not 100% on topic, but...

every 'line out' 'record out' 'silent output' (not modelers) i have heard clips of sound FAR inferior to that same amp properly mic'd.

i am sure that there are some that are exceptions, but most don't do as well.



yeah I wasnt expecting HQ sh** but at least something to fool around with and send rough tracks to the bandmates with.
like I said im on a graveyard shift so real recording isnt possible. the girlfriend would murder me. and then my neighbors would come burn my chopped up peices

but If i need to have this thing plugged into my cab to keep it safe it defeats the purpose im trying to get to.

and axe fx just isnt in my pocket book right now so dont anyone tempt me haha
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#8
Guitar straight into the interface with some free VSTs and cab impulses will deliver great results.
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#9
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Guitar straight into the interface with some free VSTs and cab impulses will deliver great results.


ok so now we get into territory Im not used too. I have all my recording equip for basic stuff. my bassist does all the fine tuning and such so treat me as a serious recording noob

what are vst's and cab impulses
#10
Check out the recording forum on this site and they should have a sticky with all of that information in it.
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#11
headed there now... in the mean time what is a load box? I assume its a way to simulate having a cab plugged in so your not killing your amp?
#12
I think you should probably just get an Axe-Fx. Definitely the best solution to your problem.


Guitars
- Ibanez S570DXQM
- Ibanez RG7421
- Fender John Mayer Strat
- Fender MIJ Strat
- Epiphone Bonamassa LP
- Epiphone Dot

Amps
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- Vypyr 60

#13
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I think you should probably just get an Axe-Fx. Definitely the best solution to your problem.




your not a nice man hahaha

I have almost sold my nitrox to buy axe fx soo many times its not even funny :/
#14
Dude....you KNOW you want it....
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- Ibanez RG7421
- Fender John Mayer Strat
- Fender MIJ Strat
- Epiphone Bonamassa LP
- Epiphone Dot

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- Tweed Blues Jr. NOS
- Vypyr 60

#15
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Guitar straight into the interface with some free VSTs and cab impulses will deliver great results.


still not anywhere near as well as proper mic'ing. rough tracks yea, but i doubt i would record a single for a band with a an out going into impulses.

i play all night typically i usually 1am-4am, my dual terror on 7 watt mode at the right volume my wife has never complained, and she sleeps through the night.
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#16
I have heard VST/impulse setups destroy poorly and well-mic'd setups.
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#17
theres a dude on youtube Drewsif stalin
who records with a revalver and impules and all of his stuff sounds epic.
but im so confused on all that nonsense. (yes I am reading the recording pages as we speak so ill slowly figure it out i suppose)

I never saw the need to learn about all the simulation stuff when I have 4 perfectly good high end amps and 2 cabs to get whatever tones I want.

If i got axe fx it would just be a bedroom toy no need for me to drop 1200+ on it for that
I know the pd hd is a cheaper alternitive but im one of those go big or go home types :/ so its not an option for my ego
#19
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I have heard VST/impulse setups destroy poorly and well-mic'd setups.


just curious, what ratio would you say?

i am sure you are more knowledgeable than i with vst's without question.

i am just saying from what i have heard on the vast majority a decently/good mic setup sound better than a vst. i heard lots of shitty vst's, but again maybe i wasn't looking in the right place. i have seen a few decent ones, but still never anything i would put on a demo from my experience.

if you have a good demo, of both mic and vst in a similar situation i would like to hear it.
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#20
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that was very impressive. by far one of the best i have heard. how long did it take you to set everything up and dial anything in?
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#21
That's not me. That's just some video I searched for. That's 3 plugins: TSE 808, TSE X50 and I think one single God's Cab impulse.

Really easy to setup.
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#22
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That's not me. That's just some video I searched for. That's 3 plugins: TSE 808, TSE X50 and I think one single God's Cab impulse.

Really easy to setup.


interesting. honestly i would still mic the speakers. and i haven't used VST's really and i don't know if they would be able to emulate some of the different amps i have, for example would there be one for a splawn pro mod or nitro?
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#23
GuitarAmpModeling.com has a whole forum dedicated to it. Those guys are like the TGP of the amp/cab VST world.
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#24
that video really does sound pretty real. so essentially camp impulses are downloaded? (from what ive uncovered so far)

but im not finding anything on how I can put them into my presonus software to be used from there.

so im assuming all that is useless for what im looking to do at the moment (maybe use it for mastering later?)
#25
I would take the time to explain how to set it up but I've just had a hellish day at work and you can honestly find so many tutorials and vids out there to help that it wouldn't be necessary for me to. Check out that forum I mentioned above, it will help you tremendously. Good luck.
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#26
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interesting. honestly i would still mic the speakers. and i haven't used VST's really and i don't know if they would be able to emulate some of the different amps i have, for example would there be one for a splawn pro mod or nitro?



thats another thing I always wondered. Another kill for axe fx is one of my favorite tones is the nitrox (witch would be the amp id sacrifice for it not letting another ktre out of my hands) and i doubt axe fx or any virtual modeler is gonna recreate that amp Diamond is too small of a company for that yet.

are these programs tweakable enough to get all these tones?

thats looking into the future I mean for now it seems ill be able to do basic rough draft stuff
#27
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thats another thing I always wondered. Another kill for axe fx is one of my favorite tones is the nitrox (witch would be the amp id sacrifice for it not letting another ktre out of my hands) and i doubt axe fx or any virtual modeler is gonna recreate that amp Diamond is too small of a company for that yet.

are these programs tweakable enough to get all these tones?

thats looking into the future I mean for now it seems ill be able to do basic rough draft stuff


i really don't know either, not to doubt, but with 5150/6505 being so popular there are probably hundreds of videos of that on youtube, because that is what everybody wants. a Diamond, Splawn, hell even my VHT Sig:X, may not be able to get. for some reason the sig:x is looked down upon (not that i really care), its got great cleans and awesome gain, and that clean channel has a 'bloom' setting that just makes the cleans are so nice. channel two can be pristinely clean or very high gainy.

then lets go to the 1974x (18) watter. the one i built is incredibly sensitive to touch, and even the slighest change of picking or rolling off the volume cleans it right up.

even pedals, are there going to eventually come to the point where enough people are satisfied? for example, i don't care for tubescreamers. some other similar circuits are fine, as i like the Green Rhino because you have a lot more control. or i guess i could start modding them. i like the timmy, they are very popular so i would imagine there would be one. just too much shit.
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