AngryIndianDude
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Hey all,
Going to get a pedalboard setup, very cheap. Less effects needed, more EQ/sound filters to be honest.

Playing a BC Rich Warbeast NJ Deluxe (EMG81/5) into a spider 3 75w. Now 2 things, yes its a combo amp, I wish I had the room for a stack or even half stack, and 2 its a modelling amp so it has effects on it + lots of variations of tone.

My question to you is, will lets say a boss distortion pedal beat the distortion on this combo amp? Im using a modded meshuggah and slipknot preset for this, I want the best tone out of it.

Going to use a behringer pedal board as it comes with a beautiful cheap board with 6 slots, pre-cut slots accomodating for behringer/boss pedals, patch cables and the PSU + daisy chain cables, only £80 ish: pedalboard here

As a metal player I also need advice on what pedals to use / not use, or whether this modelling amp will do as opposed to using pedals.

Pedal setup I wish to use:
- Boss or Behringer Noise gate
- Boss or Behringer Compressor/Limiter


for the other 3 pedals im stuck between using onboard settings/Boss ML-2/Boss DS1 or 2.

All in all, pedal newbie, and wants to know should I use pedals and if yes which ones, or no, stay away, your rubbish combo amp will do!

Thanks!

EDIT: I LISTED NOISE GATE TWICE, WHOOPS!!!!!
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I do believe every piece of gear you listed (minus the noise gate) is exactly what this forum hates. People will tell you to change everything. And for good reason too
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I wouldn't bother with the distortion pedals, if you need a new distortion sound you're much more likely to be happier with a new amp, and nothing is to say the pedals will sound better to you in your current amp, best thing you can do is try a few at a shop, don't buy before you try. Remember, better amp may be the only real solution in the end.

As for the Noise Gates, you get what you pay for but the Behringer Noise Gate is pretty decent, especially for the price, though if you can afford the Boss then it is worth it. Using a combo is fine, you don't need a stack, it's more about the quality of the amp and around these parts the Line 6 spider series is (understandably) not well rated.
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Quote by Lavatain
I do believe every piece of gear you listed (minus the noise gate) is exactly what this forum hates. People will tell you to change everything. And for good reason too

Well I'm new here so maybe I can get away with that! And they would hate compressors? Why's that?
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Quote by Bigbazz
I wouldn't bother with the distortion pedals, if you need a new distortion sound you're much more likely to be happier with a new amp, and nothing is to say the pedals will sound better to you in your current amp, best thing you can do is try a few at a shop, don't buy before you try. Remember, better amp may be the only real solution in the end.

As for the Noise Gates, you get what you pay for but the Behringer Noise Gate is pretty decent, especially for the price, though if you can afford the Boss then it is worth it. Using a combo is fine, you don't need a stack, it's more about the quality of the amp and around these parts the Line 6 spider series is (understandably) not well rated.



Whoops, didnt mean for two noise gates but either one is fine, just depends how lucky im feeling. Thanks very much for the help, yeah I have to admit as its a spider it has artist tones directly dialled in using their raw tone but then the 12" celestion doesnt portray the tone well + I feel that they tainted the tones too much. I just want to build such a unique metal sound but that won't be feasible on this amp. Sucks
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As for compressors, try to find a Marshall ED, those things are amazing for the price. If that isn't cheap enough then have a look out for the Danelectro Surf 'n Turf compressor, also pretty good and cheaper again.
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Quote by Bigbazz
As for compressors, try to find a Marshall ED, those things are amazing for the price. If that isn't cheap enough then have a look out for the Danelectro Surf 'n Turf compressor, also pretty good and cheaper again.

You reckon I could get away with a behringer compressor? Its <£20, the other two are about double if not more of that, I'm on a super budget :L
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If your budget is not very big you could buy something used. As far as I know boss ns-2 is good pedal, it's surely a lot better than behringer. I wouldn't buy anything that has behringer written on it. I used to play on a shitty amp too and I got the distortion pedal to improve my sound cause I didn't have money for an amp. I did improve it, but when I got some money, I ended up buying a better amp.
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Quote by AngryIndianDude
You reckon I could get away with a behringer compressor? Its <£20, the other two are about double if not more of that, I'm on a super budget :L


The behringer will be fine yes, it's one of their pedals that isn't made of plastic and I actually have one here, not my favourite compressor by any means but it will do the job. I do suggest you check ebay for pedals though, rather than buying new.
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What you really need is a new amp.

No, really, you do. For one, you're using active pickups with a solid state amp that's not that great in the first place. Two, and this is kind of my soapbox issue, you can BUILD your own board for cheaper. With Velcro, patch cables, and paint I spent MAYBE $25. And then a One Spot and a Daisy chain is maybe another $20. And you're not limited to just Boss or Behringer stuff because you can put whatever on it should you decide to upgrade. Three, I wouldn't get a Boss DS-1 unless you're going to do a Keeley mod on it or something. It's not all that great without it.

If you're looking for a solid EQ I suggest the Dano Fish'n'Chips. For $20 it gets the job done. It's a little noisy but hey, it's $20. And the Boss NS-2 is a solid noise gate.
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Quote by JackovSlayer
If your budget is not very big you could buy something used. As far as I know boss ns-2 is good pedal, it's surely a lot better than behringer. I wouldn't buy anything that has behringer written on it. I used to play on a shitty amp too and I got the distortion pedal to improve my sound cause I didn't have money for an amp. I did improve it, but when I got some money, I ended up buying a better amp.


Dont get me wrong their £20 pedals do shake me up a little but for a noise gate and compressor, I cant justify a £70 boss compressor, fair enough if it was a distortion pedal or effects then YES but for filter gear I'm not too fussed. Cheers for the help and yes, I wanna get a small stack but mum probs wont let me
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Joyo make some excellent pedals for people on a budget.

But really a new amp should probably be first on your list. You could sell your current amp on ebay & put the money you make together with your budget for a pedalboard and get an amp that you probably wouldn't need any pedals for.
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You need a new amp. Everything is secondary to that. Save up $250, get a Vypyr tube (assuming you need the features of a modeling amp, you might as well get a proper one), save up some more and get a Sanpera. Throwing pedals in front of a Spider is a waste on multiple levels.
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Quote by souperman08
You need a new amp. Everything is secondary to that. Save up $250, get a Vypyr tube (assuming you need the features of a modeling amp, you might as well get a proper one), save up some more and get a Sanpera. Throwing pedals in front of a Spider is a waste on multiple levels.


Thing is I don't want modelling amps anymore, I need a solid valve amp you see. So I'm taking your advice to get a new amp but instead it'd be a peavey valveking. THANKS!
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Thing is I don't want modelling amps anymore, I need a solid valve amp you see. So I'm taking your advice to get a new amp but instead it'd be a peavey valveking. THANKS!

I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in the thread. A Valveking will need some work (at least a boost and tube/speaker swap), depending on what kind of metal you want to play.
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If you want a good Compressor on a strict budget, i got a Nobels Compressor/Sustai er on the bay for like £10! And it is a pretty damn nice pedal for how much i paid! Seems pretty sturdy too
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Quote by souperman08
I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in the thread. A Valveking will need some work (at least a boost and tube/speaker swap), depending on what kind of metal you want to play.


Sorry I should have clarified. Maxon OD808 or Tubescreamer should do the trick? Thanks
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You might as well just create a new amp thread with all the necessary info
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Quote by AngryIndianDude
Sorry I should have clarified. Maxon OD808 or Tubescreamer should do the trick? Thanks


Yeah, those are excellent pedals, but do you have enough money for a new amp and expensive pedals?
You were talking about cheap pedals and now you decided to get totally different thing. You should think a little more about it. Don't hurry to spend your money, you have to be sure that you're gonna be satisfied with your purchase.
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well, if you have tools and are handy, i say make a pedalboard fo free and add a 1 spot...spend the money you saved on better pedals.

yes. hate to bash, but almost anything is better than onboard tones from that amp. i see an amp upgrade in your future, it is enivitable just accept it. timeline, 6 months. start saving now.

do not buy behringer pedals. i repeat DO NOT buy behringer pedals. EVER. erase it from this thread.

...if you need cheaper than boss...trying buying used boss.

i would say do you really need the noise gate and a compressor? i think an EQ pedal would work better in combination with the distortion pedal you are about to buy. definitely. will make any pedal sound heavier, or just better.
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well, if you have tools and are handy, i say make a pedalboard fo free and add a 1 spot...spend the money you saved on better pedals.

yes. hate to bash, but almost anything is better than onboard tones from that amp. i see an amp upgrade in your future, it is enivitable just accept it. timeline, 6 months. start saving now.

do not buy behringer pedals. i repeat DO NOT buy behringer pedals. EVER. erase it from this thread.

...if you need cheaper than boss...trying buying used boss.

i would say do you really need the noise gate and a compressor? i think an EQ pedal would work better in combination with the distortion pedal you are about to buy. definitely. will make any pedal sound heavier, or just better.


I agree with everything you've said there.
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considering you're in europe, just get a jet city jca50H on thomann. then get the harley benton g212 vintage cabinet. and a speaker cable. that'll come to about £400 or so, if that's ok. but it's a lot cheaper than faffing about with expensive pedals which probably won't do what you want. if you want a boost too (which rarely hurts, it gives you more options if nothing else), just pick up a harley benton vintage overdrive (tubescreamer clone) or digitech bad monkey (glorified tubescreamer) or screamin blues (glorified bd2) on thomann, they're all around £25.
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If you want a great sound, put the pedals in this order : Compressor, Distortion / Overdrive, Wah wah (option), a 6 band eq or more, Noise Gate, modulation ( Flanger, Chorus, Phaser), Delay/ Echo, reverb, and a sonic Maximizer pedal ( for better definition of treble, mids , bass frequencies and define the effects better)
I use a VHT Valvulator II to lower my impedance in my signal, to not lose definition and to clean up the power going to my pedals to kill hiss or hum.
And if your amp has an effects loop use another sonic maximizer and a noise gate set so it won't kill your signal too soon.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
considering you're in europe, just get a jet city jca50H on thomann. then get the harley benton g212 vintage cabinet. and a speaker cable. that'll come to about £400 or so, if that's ok. but it's a lot cheaper than faffing about with expensive pedals which probably won't do what you want. if you want a boost too (which rarely hurts, it gives you more options if nothing else), just pick up a harley benton vintage overdrive (tubescreamer clone) or digitech bad monkey (glorified tubescreamer) or screamin blues (glorified bd2) on thomann, they're all around £25.

Is the jet city any good for metal though? A bit skeptical about it atm!
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Quote by AJ6stringsting
If you want a great sound, put the pedals in this order : Compressor, Distortion / Overdrive, Wah wah (option), a 6 band eq or more, Noise Gate, modulation ( Flanger, Chorus, Phaser), Delay/ Echo, reverb, and a sonic Maximizer pedal ( for better definition of treble, mids , bass frequencies and define the effects better)
I use a VHT Valvulator II to lower my impedance in my signal, to not lose definition and to clean up the power going to my pedals to kill hiss or hum.
And if your amp has an effects loop use another sonic maximizer and a noise gate set so it won't kill your signal too soon.


He doesn't need at least half of what you said there. And pedals shouldn't be put in that order.
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Quote by AngryIndianDude
Is the jet city any good for metal though? A bit skeptical about it atm!


it's a cheaper soldano, what do you think? it's killer for metal (the type of metal i play, anyway, 80s metal and the like).

EDIT: it's also kinda bemusing how you're sceptical about the jet city for metal but were considering a boss metalcore pedal
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Quote by Dave_Mc
it's a cheaper soldano, what do you think? it's killer for metal (the type of metal i play, anyway, 80s metal and the like).

EDIT: it's also kinda bemusing how you're sceptical about the jet city for metal but were considering a boss metalcore pedal

It shows how much of a massive noob I am Been playing combos with no pedals or anything, so that's why I'm here
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Quote by Dave_Mc
it's a cheaper soldano, what do you think? it's killer for metal (the type of metal i play, anyway, 80s metal and the like).

EDIT: it's also kinda bemusing how you're sceptical about the jet city for metal but were considering a boss metalcore pedal

Been considering the JCA22H & the JCA50H myself recently - I'm mostly 80s rock/metal too, but I noticed they've only got crunch & overdrive channels so I'm sceptical about what they'd be like for cleans (especially at gigging volume).

Any comments?
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^ i don't gig

cleans are alrightish at low volumes, but yeah i'm guessing not much headroom there. it's killer for 80s rock and metasl, though, and does clean up pretty well with the guitar volume knob.

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It shows how much of a massive noob I am Been playing combos with no pedals or anything, so that's why I'm here
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no worries, i'm still a noob in most respects
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Quote by Dave_Mc
^ i don't gig

cleans are alrightish at low volumes, but yeah i'm guessing not much headroom there. it's killer for 80s rock and metasl, though, and does clean up pretty well with the guitar volume knob.

No worries

Got a couple of things like that I wanna about a couple of amps I'm thinking about, that's one of the favourites though so I thought I'd hijack this thread while the conversation was relevant - may start a thread of my own sometime. I'm guessing the 50w version would probably be the better option for keeping it clean - I can understand that a 20 watt amp would start breaking up earlier, but you'd imagine a 50 watter would be able to stay clean and still beat a drum kit.
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yeah you'd assume so, but i've only tried the 50, so Also, as you said, it's not really a clean channel, more a crunch channel, so too much preamp gain is (I assume) causing the headroom problem as much as too little wattage...
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