Poll: Artists or Composers
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I prefer Artists to Composers
8 7%
I don't care as long as the music is good
51 47%
I prefer Composers to Artists.
50 46%
Voters: 109.
#1
Me and a few people were having a discussion over which was better, artists or composers. We defined artists as musicians who don't write their own music or lyrics, but just perform. While composers go the full mile. The main argument was that composers put much more effort into music than artists do and they deserve more credit than the person just singing/playing the music. So what do you think? In general, would you rather hear bands/composers who wrote their own stuff? Or would you rather hear people playing other people's music and getting all the credit?

  • I generally prefer composers to artists.
  • I don't really care as long as the music is good
  • I prefer artists to composers.
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#2
IMO composers write more complex pieces of music/songs.

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i.e. artist: Neil Young etc.
composer: Trent Reznor, Matt Bellamy, Yorke/Greenwood etc.
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#3
However, many times composers aren't as good singers, or something. Take Bob Dylan. He a great composer, but his voice wass very nasally, now its very gravelly
#4
Artist is a general word for someone who's business is art.

A composer is someone who composes things, mainly music.
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#6
the two are synonymous. If you're an artist, then by definition you're creating art which is in this case music. A composer in my mind is someone who writes the WHOLE song by themselves, not just the lyrics or Guitar 1 or something.
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#8
It depends. I would consider someone like Alice Cooper an artist, because he brings more than just music, he brings the stage-show, image, theater, ect.. I'd consider someone like John Lennon a composer.
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#9
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the two are synonymous. If you're an artist, then by definition you're creating art which is in this case music. A composer in my mind is someone who writes the WHOLE song by themselves, not just the lyrics or Guitar 1 or something.

Yeah, and basically all artists do is create vocals, not the actual music. So, they create in a sense, but they don't have as much work/effor put into the entire proccess itself.

^That's just my oppinion
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#10
I would not consider someone like Britney Spears who doesn't create anything an Artist. A real composer would be an Artist. I have no respect for the b.s. pop acts.
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I would not consider someone like Britney Spears who doesn't create anything an Artist. A real composer would be an Artist. I have no respect for the b.s. pop acts.

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#13
While both are synonymous, going by you're definition I say that both are equally important. Composers provide the music to be performed, and artists charismatically and skillfully perform that music for the composer in ways that he/she may not be able to, even long after he/she is dead. Without composers, what music would we have to perform? And without "artists", who would we have to perform that music well?
#15
What about composer artists?

*cough* Prince *cough*
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If singing and performing is an art - as in the performing arts - -than a pop singer would be considered a type of artist, but not a composer if they didn't compose any of the music they perform.

Mmmhm. You got it.

Otherwise I don't see a point to this discussion...

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#17
Music is an art form. Anyone who practices music seriously is an artist.

You're talking about performer versus composer, which are not mutually exclusive. Their roles vary by the culture of their music.

-In classical, composers and performers are very specialized. Rarely do composers themselves perform the pieces they write. They rather commission it for special performers.
-In jazz, composers may write a very general lead sheet, in which jazz performers use to interpret it in their own way.
-In commercial pop, it's similar to classical. Specialized studio composers solely write specific music for specialized singer/performers.
-In rock/metal, musicians are expected to both play and write their own music, which I find is often inefficient, as there are many instances where either the music is subpar or the playing can't carry out the music very well.

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What about composer artists?

*cough* Prince *cough*

If they wrote their own stuff, and performed it. Or were in a collaborating band that created everything together, then they are composers.
However, if he just showed up and played what everyone else had written and was considered a part of the band without contributing anything but performance, then they would be considered an artist.
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#19
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If they wrote their own stuff, and performed it. Or were in a collaborating band that created everything together, then they are composers.
However, if he just showed up and played what everyone else had written and was considered a part of the band without contributing anything but performance, then they would be considered an artist.

Prince writes all his songs, a lot of everyone else's, recorded every single instrument on his first album.

He's a composer AND an artist.
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He's a composer AND an artist.


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Is it really that much of a feat?

Not particularly, but he's one of the very best.
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#22
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#23
Totally depends.

Frank Sinatra? Great singer, played with great bands... but the arrangements were also great. I couldn't tell you who i resepct more and I think it's a pointless argument. In the end, what matters is the final product and a couple of different great aspects have gone into making something great and it just becomes silly, eventually, to try and point to who and when and why.
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Totally depends.

Frank Sinatra? Great singer, played with great bands... but the arrangements were also great. I couldn't tell you who i resepct more and I think it's a pointless argument. In the end, what matters is the final product and a couple of different great aspects have gone into making something great and it just becomes silly, eventually, to try and point to who and when and why.


I couldn't have put it better.
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#28
Artists - well a general blanket term but in this context it's the person who performs it.

Composer - the person who wrote it.
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#30
Nah it's fine ^__^;;

I stand by what I said earlier though... you know.... that Prince pwns all >__>
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#31
I don't care. According to the lower option, most classical musicians aren't better than FOB. And anyway you'd be surprised at the amount of people that played other people's music, such as Frank Sinatra for example.
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#32
My thing with it is that an artist can actual play the music
(so to speak. Not saying that composers cannot play music)
the artist actually paints the picture
the composer just lays out the instructions
or something

not to say that anybody can write
but there are people who 'compose' non-sense just because they can

I think this thread should have been
"Performers or Composers"
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#33
What does that make Matt Bellamy? He writes all the music, composes all the music, plays and piano, guitar, and sings and writes all the lyrics as well? He is an artist, composer and makes good music. He is everything man, even if you don't like Muse, thats impressive for any musician.
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#34
I think a better term for "artist" would be performers since i think you need to create it yourself to be an artist but composers just because they created it, they deserve the credit.
#35
Hmm, agree with Reva in that artist does tend to be a bit of a blanket term. I have referred to myself as an acoustic artist at times, but I write everything. Whereas when someone says composer generally one thinks of the Bachs and Mozarts, who write the music but aren't the performers.
#36
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Music is an art form. Anyone who practices music seriously is an artist.

You're talking about performer versus composer, which are not mutually exclusive. Their roles vary by the culture of their music.

-In classical, composers and performers are very specialized. Rarely do composers themselves perform the pieces they write. They rather commission it for special performers.
-In jazz, composers may write a very general lead sheet, in which jazz performers use to interpret it in their own way.
-In commercial pop, it's similar to classical. Specialized studio composers solely write specific music for specialized singer/performers.
-In rock/metal, musicians are expected to both play and write their own music, which I find is often inefficient, as there are many instances where either the music is subpar or the playing can't carry out the music very well.



I aggree.

And wouldnt the people that dont write their own songs and just preform be called prefromers? Unless of corse someone brings up the fact that prefoming is also a type of art...then they would be artists so...wtf?
#37
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My thing with it is that an artist can actual play the music
(so to speak. Not saying that composers cannot play music)
the artist actually paints the picture
the composer just lays out the instructions
or something

not to say that anybody can write
but there are people who 'compose' non-sense just because they can

I think this thread should have been
"Performers or Composers"

That's pretty much how it is. Just worded differently. Performers=Artists.
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