#1
So this is a question asking if you have any types of these people or known anyone like this.

When I first started learning guitar there was one old guy who I use to look up to, it blew my mind how good he was. But as I started to get older I began to realize that he wasn't as good as I made him out to be and I infact passed him up. Turned out he had a hard time rememberng songs, didn't know scales - and didn't know any type of tricks like legatos or sweeps.

So have you ever looked up to someone to only get better and realize they were never that good to begin with?
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When I first started learning guitar there was one old guy who I used to look up to, it blew my mind how good he was. But as I started to get older I began to realize that he wasn't as good as I made him out to be and I in fact passed him up. Turned out he had a hard time remembering songs, didn't know scales - and didn't know any type of tricks like legatos or sweeps.

So have you ever looked up to someone to only get better and realize they were never that good to begin with?
Of course. And you should treat him with respect and honor his accomplishments, whatever they may be, because someday you will be that guy.
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#3
I know what you mean but i've never experienced that, Joe Satriani is still as good as I thought he was when i picked up the guitar
#4
Slash
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#7
Angus Young...

i mean it is not i am better with guitar and know i think he sucks, its that he has REALLY got worse...

anyone who saw the DVD of the stiff upper lip tour will know of what in am talking about... his solos where sloppy and awful!!!
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#8
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I wasn't talking in terms of famous people.


who cares!
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#9
yea. my ex-friend used to play guitar way before i started. he does gig and all that now. but since ive been playin guitar for quite a lot now, i think i kick ass more then he used to at my time. he doesn't know scales yet, he just can cover songs. that's it. now guess what ? he's struggling to compose new songs for his band. i don't have any contact with him now, i guess he still sucks cuz i haven't heard any news of him abt blowing the stages. that's a bit more of personal story . he screwed me and had stolen many dvds and took my money and never returned. wish him luck though.
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Quote by ehlert99
So this is a question asking if you have any types of these people or known anyone like this.

When I first started learning guitar there was one old guy who I use to look up to, it blew my mind how good he was. But as I started to get older I began to realize that he wasn't as good as I made him out to be and I infact passed him up. Turned out he had a hard time rememberng songs, didn't know scales - and didn't know any type of tricks like legatos or sweeps.

So have you ever looked up to someone to only get better and realize they were never that good to begin with?


Yes, I've known people who's egos grew as they got better.

You get better and start looking at all the faults of others, while seeing yourself as becoming more and more superior. It's not uncommon.

Just keep in mind that when you get older, some young kid will be sizing you up in the same way.
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Yes, I've known people who's egos grew as they got better.

You get better and start looking at all the faults of others, while seeing yourself as becoming more and more superior. It's not uncommon.

Just keep in mind that when you get older, some young kid will be sizing you up in the same way.


How philosophical.

Anyway, I don't really think anyone I used to love 'sucks'.

Well. Kirk Hammett sucks now, not because I've gotten pretty good, but because he used to be way better than he is now. The 25 year old Kirk Hammett was 10 x better than the geriatric **** machine Kirk Hammett we have now.
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Just keep in mind that when you get older, some young kid will be sizing you up in the same way.

+1
#14
i dont look up to anyone (non-famous) in terms of technical skill because everyone i know personally, i am way, way faster and cleaner than. but they can write songs much better than i can, so i look up to most musicians i know personally

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#15
Daron Malakian from System of a Down haha, i can totally rape him now

idk why i thought he was the coolest.... well he is cool.... but when it comes to guitar he's not cool....
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How philosophical.

Anyway, I don't really think anyone I used to love 'sucks'.

Well. Kirk Hammett sucks now, not because I've gotten pretty good, but because he used to be way better than he is now. The 25 year old Kirk Hammett was 10 x better than the geriatric **** machine Kirk Hammett we have now.


Ya i call it Kirk Hammett-itis heh
#17
for those of you listing famous people.. (or people you've never met before)

how can you tell your better than these people??
cuz you can play more difficult then are on there CD's

how do you know they don't go home shred?

i guess what i'm getting at is that you can't judge someones guitar "ability" on what there band comes up with.

well you can but thats not really fair
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i used to think John Lennon was an amazing songwriter and musician, lol. I dont think he sucks now, but Paul Mccartney is 1000000000000000000 times better.
Not to take anything away from Paul McCartney, but one factor working in his favor is that John's untimely death almost 28 years ago has severely limited his songwriting output.
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#21
Quote by ehlert99


So have you ever looked up to someone to only get better and realize they were never that good to begin with?


Have you ever seen a post by someone who "infact passed" someone up, but when you
listen to their profile mp3's ever wonder how they can think they'd "infact passed"
ANYONE up? That's my question.


(I listened. Really. They were ok, but if I were you, I'd delete this thread and forget
it ever happened).
#22
As inevitable as it is for some people...never look at other players as if they suck and go around saying it. You will become known as that guy who badmouths everyone playing at 10 bpm slower than them. Music is personal and is ones way of channeling your emotions through music...for your OWN pleasure. To fill that certain need you have in your life etc to express whatever it is you are trying to express. Of course building technique is essential to be able to play the music you like and dependent on what genre that is, the 'minimal' requirements for technique will go up or down. Again, with scales etc...sure if someone doesn't know their scales they may struggle to progress and understand what they are doing and as such I always teach scales as a fundamental. But nonethless I am pretty sure since the development of the guitar(or any instrument for that matter), there have been many musicians who have made lasting statements with very little technicxal prowess and perhaps no knowledge of scales etc. At the end of the day there are still 1001 guitarists out there obsessed with speed who know all their scales yet struggle to make any sort of meaningful statement because they are only playing guitar to compete.
Essentially all this rambling amounts to...everyone has different tastes etc and one mans sloppy playing is another mans awesome playing. For instance take Slash. Now Slash is not the most technical guitarist in the world. Some may see he is sloppy etc etc. But still hes considered a guitar god. And I can say when I started out I thought him and guys like Angus Young were the best in terms of skill etc. Nowadays whilst I still appreciate them both I sway more towards players like Shawn Lane, Guthrie Govan, Satch, Paul Gilbert....essentialy all your purveyors of top shelf guitar pornography. But the fact that they are faster cleaner and more clued up on theory etc doesn't make the 3 note blues guys redundant.
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#23
Well, I know what you mean. I clearly remember hearing someone I work with play several years ago, and hardly imagining being able to get that good. I heard him playing a few months ago, and he seemed to be more on a even level with me, whatever that means.
But I don't look at that in a negative way, like "he's not as good as I thought he was", I see it more as a positive, it's evidence that I have been improving. Everyone feels a slight itch of competition now and again, but I really try to just focus on setting my goals relative to myself, not trying to one-up the people around me.
#24
Im not saying Im better then Jimmy Page, hell, I barely play guitar. But the more in classical and jazz I listen too, the less interesting he is.

Pretty repetitive and sloppy really. Not to say hes not an excellent riffer though
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Im not saying Im better then Jimmy Page, hell, I barely play guitar. But the more in classical and jazz I listen too, the less interesting he is.

Pretty repetitive and sloppy really. Not to say hes not an excellent riffer though



Actually, I love Jimmy Page's guitar playing. I listen to a lot of jazz and classical but it doesn't affect my appreciation for Jimmy Page or anyone else.
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#27
How do you judge that you're "better" than anyone anyway? I mean, who is to say that maybe they're less interested in being "better" than you are? Maybe they're more interested in writing a great song, or being a great rhythm player, than doing sweeps and crazy fast solo leads.

As a result, you confuse a supposed lack of technical chops with a lack of talent, when maybe the other guy doesn't need to show off like that, or doesn't have a use for what you like to do in his own playing, so he doesn't bother practicing/playing what you do. Having better chops than someone else doesn't make you more creative with them. Your hands are told what to do by your brain, and dismissing a player based on a supposed lack of technique ignores everything else that can go on in a player's head.
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#28
edg: Bloody oath feel the burn!

I've had quite the oppisite happen to me. Guys who I thought I was far better than
(cause I thought I was better (cleaner & faster) wheather that was actually true, or just a part of my over-inflated ego, is another issue. And than got far overtaken in both theory playing, and every aspect of music, (thanks Skater901)

It's not a competition, and it should'nt be judged on anyone else. Tends to work this way, if your the best in your class, you'll usually end up siting back and taking it easy. If your the worst, you'll be workin your bloody ass off, so you can get things under your belt.

It should'nt be about who's better or worse, it should be about self-analyzation, are you really as good as you think you are? Mabey let some air out of your ego tire.
Im not good, and I know that, pretty hopeless, and Im doing my best to try and get better, but the issue is with me and music, there's no anyone else. If I wanted I could seek out people who I'm far more theoretically skilled than (and mabey more pratically) to make me feel better, but would that be helping me improve as a musician? Hell No! It would just make me comfortable with stagnancy, and mediocraty. No matter how good/bad everyone else is, keey analyzing yourself, dont let yourself get an ego, and work on music, cause you want to! Dont do it to be better than somone else, dont rejoyce secretly when your guitar buddy doesnt know anything about Modes, or Progressions, or abotu Harmony, or Chords, so what? They are only there to make the music you make more enjoyable to your and others ears, not so you can go "hey does anyone else know what Bebop Scales, or Quartal/Quintal Harmony, or Diminished/Whole-Tone Harmony, or can anyone play Sweeps at 90 bpm?"
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i used to think John Lennon was an amazing songwriter and musician, lol. I dont think he sucks now, but Paul Mccartney is 1000000000000000000 times better.


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yea. my ex-friend used to play guitar way before i started. he does gig and all that now. but since ive been playin guitar for quite a lot now, i think i kick ass more then he used to at my time. he doesn't know scales yet, he just can cover songs. that's it. now guess what ? he's struggling to compose new songs for his band. i don't have any contact with him now, i guess he still sucks cuz i haven't heard any news of him abt blowing the stages. that's a bit more of personal story . he screwed me and had stolen many dvds and took my money and never returned. wish him luck though.


I had a friend like that and we had a falling out, anyway, all he knew was blink 182 and power chords and ****. Then I'm playing the solo to Achilles Last Stand in front of the friends we used to share and they were shocked! It Felt Good!
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