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#1
I was reading the comments on the GnR article about the 3 new songs that you can listen to. Someone mentioned in there something I thought would make a cool topic.

So how long does a band actually stay that same band? How many lineup changes can you go through before you are hearing an entirely different band altogether? What members do you think shape a band the most? Who are the most replaceable?

What were some bands that were never the same after losing (so and so) member? Or what bands shined once (so and so) joined up?

Okay pit, discuss!


*edit*

To kick things off, I think that after Dave Grohl joined up with Nirvana, he helped their sound immensely.
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#4
Everyone in the band makes the band. Take one person out, and it will NEVER sound the same. GnR aren't even GnR; they're like Axl's solo project. >_>
#5
Really, it depends on who the main songwriter is. Iced Earth has not changed drastically throughout their career, yet they've gone through as many lineup changes as Megadeth.
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#6
GnR aren't the same band anymore, in fact any sort of lineup change changes the band. Sometimes awesomely (like Iron Maiden) or sometimes not so awesomely, (Like GnR.)

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#7
When all the original members are gone or the one member that is the soul of the band leaves.
#8
I'd say the guitarist and the singer make up the sound of the band. So, losing either of those key members, I'd say it's time for a name change.

But, of course, there are a few exceptions. Alice in Chains is not necessarily a different band. If you've heard Jerry Cantrell's solo albums, you can tell he plays a very big role. Losing Staley may have lost the bands distinct voice, but the "evil" guitar will still be present, which was AiC was known for.

Now, Queen? Freddy Mercury WAS Queen.

It all matters on the bands situation. Like you said, if the sound changes, the band name should change along with it.
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Really, it depends on who the main songwriter is. Iced Earth has not changed drastically throughout their career, yet they've gone through as many lineup changes as Megadeth.


True enough, though from The Glorious Burden onwards, the sound has definitly changed.

Some bands change their sound without changing members.

Mastodon hasn't had any lineup change (other than the very early loss of their first singer) and every one of their albums so far has had a different sound than the previous ones.
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Really, it depends on who the main songwriter is. Iced Earth has not changed drastically throughout their career, yet they've gone through as many lineup changes as Megadeth.

i agree w/this and megadeth is still the same as well
#11
Most of the bands I like are made up half the original members and then replacements for other members.

I'd say it's when the iconic bandmember, the member you all go crazy for, leaves, that's when the band is not the same band/=.
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Everyone in the band makes the band. Take one person out, and it will NEVER sound the same. GnR aren't even GnR; they're like Axl's solo project. >_>

I couldn't agree more
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I'd say the guitarist and the singer make up the sound of the band. So, losing either of those key members, I'd say it's time for a name change.


In most cases yes, but not always.

Look at Tool, you take any of them out, and it's not Tool anymore.
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really depends iidk,,, the singer


not nececelery...

Aerosmith, when Joe Perry left, they changed totally

AC/DC,

got a new singer and they were even better
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I'd say it's when the iconic bandmember, the member you all go crazy for, leaves, that's when the band is not the same band/=.


This. Mustaine is Megadeth, Iommi is Sabbath and... um... Vikernes is Burzum.


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the new GNR is just called GNR cus axl couldnt think of a new name(or new songs for that matter)
besides it took him like 13 yrs for a new album
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When singers leave, bands usually get worse. Examples: UnderOATH replacing Dallas Taylor with Spencer Chamberlain, Saosin's Anthony Green being replaced by Cove Reber, John Nolan leaving Taking Back Sunday, and Blessthefall getting the singer from Escape The Fate.
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really depends iidk,,, the singer

AC/DC, Nightwish, Escape The Fate, Scar Symmetry (which might fail), Black Sabbath...

It depends how it happens, how defined the sound was, when it happens, who started the band, whether a key member is left...

Like, if the whole band left, and the drummers just found new members, the band would be a different band really.

Edit: And Iron Maiden, shouldn't have forgotten them... =\
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#24
If you take out any member from Iron Maiden, its not the same band, except for maybe Janick Gers. Even Steve Harris, the bassist that's written almost every song. :O
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when the main creative force leaves, thats when the band becomes a different band. like when timo left stratovarius. or when everyone left gnr.

think of it this way: what would have a bigger impact on iron maiden? a new singer or a new bassist?

theyve been recorded with three singers: paul dianno, bruce dickinson, and blaze bayley. while sometimes the sound did change, they always had steve harris, the main creative force behind the band. so the band itself never changed.
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This. Mustaine is Megadeth, Iommi is Sabbath and... um... Vikernes is Burzum.


Haha...burzum doesn't have many options for a lineup change.
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When singers leave, bands usually get worse. Examples: UnderOATH replacing Dallas Taylor with Spencer Chamberlain, Saosin's Anthony Green being replaced by Cove Reber, John Nolan leaving Taking Back Sunday, and Blessthefall getting the singer from Escape The Fate.

You mean vice versa?
#28
It depends if the main songwriter is still in the band. And by songwriter than includes composing and arranging instrumental parts of the song too. Even if they get all washed up and totally lose all their greatness, if the songwriter is still the same, it's still the same band. Motley Crue and GNR are the perfect examples.
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#29
I think the bands that really arn't the same band without the original members are a lot of 3 piece bands. Muse for example, If you took out a single one of them, it wouldn't be near the same sound.
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When the mastermind(s) of the band leave (like Mikael Akerdfeldt leaving Opeth).
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Really, it depends on who the main songwriter is. Iced Earth has not changed drastically throughout their career, yet they've gone through as many lineup changes as Megadeth.


I would like to add "whoever is/are most musically present" in the band. Megadeth has gone through several lead guitarists yet are still essentially the same because Dave Mustaine is the force behind it. Metallica also make a good example for the reverse - after Burton's passing, the difference in the compositions became extremely apparent (Newsted was more linear in terms of basslines compared to Burton's fleet-fingered rhythms, and Trujillo has definitely more "bounce").

The new GnR are a poor example though - they didn't play any new songs right up until this latter half of the decade, so new GnR sounded EXACTLY like old GnR because they were still playing the same songs. To that end, though, you can REALLY feel how much Velvet Revolver and GnR were once the same band - Axl without his slamming rhythm section just becomes annoying, and VR's sparkplug songs were hampered by Scott Weiland's drone.
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theyve been recorded with three singers: paul dianno, bruce dickinson, and blaze bayley. while sometimes the sound did change, they always had steve harris, the main creative force behind the band. so the band itself never changed.


It didn't change a huge amount between singers. Some songs, I can't even tell the difference between Dickinson and Bayley.
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#34
It depends on the band. Without a key member, the band is different.

Guns N Roses is perfect example here. Slash, Duff and Izzy were key. Steven Adler wasn't really. He was replaced, no big deal. Izzy got replaced, it wasn't the same.

Black Sabbath without Tony Iommi or Ozzy isn't really Black Sabbath. I guess Geezer could be there too.

Metallica without Lars or James wouldn't be Metallica.
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Black Sabbath without Tony Iommi or Ozzy isn't really Black Sabbath. I guess Geezer could be there too.


Ozzy isn't Sabbath. Black Sabbath lives as long as Iommi does.
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You mean vice versa?

Not sure really. I'm not a fan of any of the bands. Besides for Blessthefall's older songs.
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Yet most of the albums after Ozzy and Dio sucked. Iommi couldn't do it all himself.
#39
Usually when a key band member leaves, i.e. Wilco has always been Wilco despite only 2 of the original five being left. Then again, Shannon Hoon was the main songwriter for Blind Melon, and they remained the same band, albeit in a somewhat different form.
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True enough, though from The Glorious Burden onwards, the sound has definitly changed.

Some bands change their sound without changing members.

Mastodon hasn't had any lineup change (other than the very early loss of their first singer) and every one of their albums so far has had a different sound than the previous ones.


TGB was a change, but they came back with Framing Armageddon. Different, yet still reminiscent of the old material. Anyways, the point was that they didn't change sound because of lineup changes, especially since TGB was written while Barlow was still in the band.
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