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#1
Hmm

recently, i found an article typed by this guy who seemed to have some pretty strong opinions. Here it is:

http://mirkgard.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-i-hate-black-metal-fans.html

i found it very interesting, as many of my friends listen to Darkthrone and Emperor often and act nothing like this.

I do agree with what he says fully if what he is saying is true.

Just to ask, how is UG's general interaction with BM fans? they're nothing like what he describes are they?
#2
I'm a Satanist (Doctrines of the Satanic bible, not actually devil worship) and I listen to Black Metal but I don't go around thinking it's the greatest genre out, nor do I think it's the most elite and every other metal sucks, this guy does have a point though, lots of black metal fans are like that.
#3
I stopped reading after this "It doesn't take more than about, say, thirty seconds on anus.com"

He is a jackass and goes off of ANUS which no self respecting METAL fan even looks at.
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#4
This mainly arises from the utterly inflated view many black metal fans have of their own self-importance and self-worth, and the importance of black metal as a whole. Now, let's be frank: the idea that black metal actually matters, on a world scale, is utterly ****ing ridiculous.



this is so freaking true.
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#5
most of what he said is true in a general sense. then again there is a lot of stereotyping
#6
I'm a huge black metal fan and act nothing like this. :/ Maybe he should check more than one resource before going off like that. Granted, he does make some valid points, and I have seen some fans like this but he's generalizing the entire group of fans under one stereotype. >.<
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#8
The guy's nothing but a Jew poseur.


Somebody had to say it!


But seriously; he's trying to get in touch with the BM scene, and the first thing he thinks of is to check the anus? Clearly a homo. SHUN
#9
I think this is a misunderstanding.

I believe he is referring to metal fans of Afro-Caribbean descent, rather than fans of the subgenre "black metal".

An easy mistake to make, yes.
#10
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I'm a huge black metal fan and act nothing like this. :/ Maybe he should check more than one resource before going off like that. Granted, he does make some valid points, and I have seen some fans like this but he's generalizing the entire group of fans under one stereotype. >.<

this. Some people are like this, but the vast majority aren't, in my experience.
#11
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I think this is a misunderstanding.

I believe he is referring to metal fans of Afro-Caribbean descent, rather than fans of the subgenre "black metal".

An easy mistake to make, yes.


Absolute win, dude.
#12
Nice work Vermintide

Anyway, I would like to point out that I know a few "uber kvlt i only listen to feedback worship satan god is a poser bafjahnsjfka" types, and they're the most arrogant twats ever. I was listening to one of Emperor's later albums one day and this cunt gave me a fucking lecture on why only Emperor's first albums were any good and how I was an idiot for liking anything with production that sterile.

Amazingly, this was not the reply I expected when I said "Hey man, 'sup?"
#13
There's only one thing more pedantic than Black Metal fans, and that's fans of Classical/Baroque/Romantic music.
#14
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Nice work Vermintide

Anyway, I would like to point out that I know a few "uber kvlt i only listen to feedback worship satan god is a poser bafjahnsjfka" types, and they're the most arrogant twats ever. I was listening to one of Emperor's later albums one day and this cunt gave me a fucking lecture on why only Emperor's first albums were any good and how I was an idiot for liking anything with production that sterile.
Amazingly, this was not the reply I expected when I said "Hey man, 'sup?"



That wasnt me by any chance, was it? Haha I kid, I kid....


But yeah this article is retarded, he sounds like he tried to write a good BM song, failed badly, and got flamed by black metal fans. Then got bitter and wrote this article.
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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#18
Theres a lot of generalisation in the article, i know the sort of people he's talking about and i agree with the things hes saying about them but they're only a small portion of black metal fans as a whole.

The only people in the world who care about black metal are its fans and some rather distraught, church-less vicars.


LOL
#20
i am a black metal fan
i dont think black metal is the most elite form of music or that any other metal is crap
i am actively anti-religious
i do believe myself to be more important than most people but this is only to help insure my own progress and selfisness to a degree but this doesn't mean i wont help others to a degree either
there is a difference between a genre progressing and a genre becoming tainted by the mainstream. bands like cradle of filth and dimmu borgir (i dont even consider these bands black metal but many do) aren't evolving or progressing the scene. they're using it to make money. which is different.

not sure if that was relevent or what you were asking for
i skim read the article
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#21
Who cares? He blogs, that makes him about as pretentious as the guy who plays bongos with his black beanie in starbucks and about as important as the dog **** on my shoe
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#22
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That's true. But I think Classical music has had a far greater impact on the world than Black Metal...

Without a doubt.
#23
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Who cares? He blogs, that makes him about as pretentious as the guy who plays bongos with his black beanie in starbucks and about as important as the dog **** on my shoe


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#24
I consider myself quite a big black metal fan, and I'm nothing like that. Out of all the people I know that like black metal, none of them think like that. He's just stereotyping.
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#25
I think he's referring to the elitists that you find on forums and whatnot, not the average black metal fan. We've had a few on here in the past that meet that general description.
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there is a difference between a genre progressing and a genre becoming tainted by the mainstream. bands like cradle of filth and dimmu borgir (i dont even consider these bands black metal but many do) aren't evolving or progressing the scene. they're using it to make money. which is different.

You're an idiot.
Having decent production values and not sacrificing a goat every six hundred and sixty days while recording your music in a tree doesn't make you "not black metal" and just because Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir make money from what they do doesn't make them sell outs. I'm sick to death of this "tainted by the mainstream" bullshit. Are any of you idiots even aware of the mainstream? Just because Hot Topic sells a few Dimmu Borgir wrist bands and some 12 year old with too much eyeliner and a stupid hair cut wears a Cradle of Filth shirt because "liek zomg itz got a pentagram im so evil OMG LOL" doesn't mean that Britney Spears is gonna become the next face of "Loreal corpse paint". It's still extreme music. You show ANY My Chemical Romance fan Dimmu, or Cradle of Emperor and they'll freak out. Why? Because contrary to this deluded belief that all metal must be underground, it's still the most extreme genre on the planet and just because Dani Filth can afford to send his kids to a decent college or because Shagrath can afford to not live off a credit card, doesn't mean they're sell outs and it doesn't mean that it's only one step from this to "Cribz: Inside Fenriz's Fortress of Solitude".
#27
I tend to agree with the article, but I think he's mistaking a minority - perhaps quite a large minority - for a vast majority. You'll find variations of the fans he's attacking in any form of music, but still the Black Metal fans he's criticising are quite bad. Still, I like the music - the more progressive Black Metal - and I agree with him. Also, it was a funny blog to read.
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#28
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Nice work Vermintide

Anyway, I would like to point out that I know a few "uber kvlt i only listen to feedback worship satan god is a poser bafjahnsjfka" types, and they're the most arrogant twats ever. I was listening to one of Emperor's later albums one day and this cunt gave me a fucking lecture on why only Emperor's first albums were any good and how I was an idiot for liking anything with production that sterile.

Amazingly, this was not the reply I expected when I said "Hey man, 'sup?"



If people tell me they like sepultura then say their favourite album is 'Roots' then I will tell them it is ****.

Plus I don't what is wrong with believing that something you are into is importent. It is important in your world and that is all that matters.
#29
That would be perfectly acceptable if the prior question was "What is your favourite Emperor album?" not "Hey man, how's it goin'?" and him rambling because he noticed my MSN player said some Emperor album he hated.
#30
He's talkin more about elitist assholes, which their are a lot of. **** I don't know how many times I've been to concert and their has been some asshole there. But you can't say everyone is like that, because they're the very few who aren't... But from my experince I'd say most metal heads are elitist asshole who would never step outside their comfort zone.
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#32
Most people who throw around that stupid word 'elitists' are usually pissed off because they are jealous of said people's extensive metal knowledge, and they know they will float around in the sink of mundane pedestrian metal for eternity.
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0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#34
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Most people who throw around that stupid word 'elitists' are usually pissed off because they are jealous of said people's extensive metal knowledge, and they know they will float around in the sink of mundane pedestrian metal for eternity.


Not really... To a degree I would consider myself an Elitist. I have a wide range of knowledge about a lot of the founding bands of many extreme metal genres.

What makes a Elitist is that they can't come to some agreement. Like metalcore it's fuision of metal and hardcore, most metal fans accept it. Elitist on the other hand will make a big damn deal about how it's not metal. Say it's **** before hearing it. They people who listen to way too much metal and are musically uncultured.

But I don't think all metal heads are like that.
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#35
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Not really... To a degree I would consider myself an Elitist. I have a wide range of knowledge about a lot of the founding bands of many extreme metal genres.

What makes a Elitist is that they can't come to some agreement. Like metalcore it's fuision of metal and hardcore, most metal fans accept it. Elitist on the other hand will make a big damn deal about how it's not metal. Say it's **** before hearing it. They people who listen to way too much metal and are musically uncultured.

But I don't think all metal heads are like that.



I think what youre referring to there is an idiot , not an elitist
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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#37
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I think what youre referring to there is an idiot , not an elitist


Well i consider Elitist idiots for the most part :P
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#38
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Not really... To a degree I would consider myself an Elitist. I have a wide range of knowledge about a lot of the founding bands of many extreme metal genres.

What makes a Elitist is that they can't come to some agreement. Like metalcore it's fuision of metal and hardcore, most metal fans accept it. Elitist on the other hand will make a big damn deal about how it's not metal. Say it's **** before hearing it. They people who listen to way too much metal and are musically uncultured.
But I don't think all metal heads are like that.



Hate to dissect here, buuuuuuut.........theres no such thing as 'too much metal'
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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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burzum IS nazi. well, varg is.
#39
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Hate to dissect here, buuuuuuut.........theres no such thing as 'too much metal'


If metal is all you listen too, then yes there is a thing as too much metal. But if you have no problem listening to any other genre not metal related then there is no thing as too much metal.
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