#1
My girlfriend and I are arguin about it shes sayin its just about "occupation" and therefore all students are working class.. but i say no its to do with more that just that

I know this is a serious thread in a non serious forum but hey for all the interlectuals gime some love eh??
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working class means people who generally have no post secondary education and have labor or service industry jobs making less than $60k a year.
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usually a punch card will draw the line between a job and a career.
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so just for this one arguement maybe someone who does a media course cus that is what she is doing....

do students (all types doesnt matter what background etc) your still working class?
Im quite proud of that LOL

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Uhh someone who works for their money, instead of previously worked and now just opens checks all day.
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The working class spells things like this.
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so just for this one arguement maybe someone who does a media course cus that is what she is doing....

do students (all types doesnt matter what background etc) your still working class?


if you are in college you are not working class, you would be middle or upper class.
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Working class is a term used in academic sociology and in ordinary conversation to describe, depending on context and speaker, those employed in specific fields or types of work.

As with many terms describing social class, "working class" is defined and used in many different ways. The term typically incorporates references to education, occupation, culture, and income. When used non-academically, it typically refers to a section of society dependent on physical labor, especially when remunerated with an hourly wage.

Casual and geographical usage of "working class" differs widely; in extreme cases, well-paid university-educated professionals in the United Kingdom may self-identify as working class based on family background, while many semi-skilled and skilled laborers in the United States are characterized as middle-class. It is usually contrasted with the upper class and middle class in terms of access to economic resources, education and cultural interests. Its usage as a description can be pejorative, but many people self-identify as working class and experience a sense of pride analogous to a national identity. Working classes are mainly found in industrialized economies and in urban areas of non-industrialized economies.

The variation between different socio-political definitions makes the term controversial in social usage, and its use in academic discourse as a concept, and as a subject of study itself, is very contentious, especially following the decline of manual labor in postindustrial societies. Some academics (sociologists, historians, political theorists, etc.) question the usefulness of the concept of a working class, while others use some version of the concept.

In the United States and the United Kingdom, sociologists Dennis Gilbert, James Henslin, William Thompson, Joseph Hickey and Thomas Ayling have brought forth class models in which the working class constitutes roughly one third of the population, with the majority of the population being either working or lower class.


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yeah Reagan did pretty much the same thing here, and all these idiots keep talking about how great he was.
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I just think of people doing physical labour, getting reasonably low salaries, generally don't have much or any post-secondary education. Oh, and they live in Limerick, are alcoholics and all of their 25 kids have conjunctivitis from delivering coal.
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i usually dont count students as working class unless they're the older students who are working their way through school
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My girlfriend and I are arguin about it shes sayin its just about "occupation" and therefore all students are working class.. but i say no its to do with more that just that
You're right. She's gonzo-bananas.
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The working class spells things like this.

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Im quite proud of that LOL

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yeah Reagan did pretty much the same thing here, and all these idiots keep talking about how great he was.

I liked Reagan. He kept giving me pay raises.
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If you have to work to make a living you are working class.
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I liked Reagan. He kept giving me pay raises.


Well you where military though right? I'm sure some people have legit reasons to like Reagan, but most people I know that like him just seem to be parroting idiot neo-cons on Fox News.
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Well you where military though right? I'm sure some people have legit reasons to like Reagan, but most people I know that like him just seem to be parroting idiot neo-cons on Fox News.

Yes I was.
Reagan was fairly liberal compared to the likes of Bush and Cheney. He believed in less government. Wasn't all jacked up on the idea of turning the entire planet into new locations for the next Disneyland.
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"Working class" is a term that is rapidly becoming more and more obselete.
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Yes I was.
Reagan was fairly liberal compared to the likes of Bush and Cheney. He believed in less government. Wasn't all jacked up on the idea of turning the entire planet into new locations for the next Disneyland.


Yeah, he was a lot better than either of them, but he still did a lot of things that I think where absolute bull**** (i.e. really jacking up the war on drugs, helping to bring in the religious right, and his economic policy was pretty damn horrible overall IMO. )
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"Working class" is a term that is rapidly becoming more and more obselete.

How so?

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Yeah, he was a lot better than either of them, but he still did a lot of things that I think where absolute bull**** (i.e. really jacking up the war on drugs, helping to bring in the religious right, and his economic policy was pretty damn horrible overall IMO. )

I can't argue with any of that. However the economy did improve during his reign we just owed tons of money to everyone when he was done.
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Yeah, he was a lot better than either of them, but he still did a lot of things that I think where absolute bull**** (i.e. really jacking up the war on drugs, helping to bring in the religious right, and his economic policy was pretty damn horrible overall IMO. )

how so???

edit: Wow did not even see that post above me, lol
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I'd say income and lifestyle. Job that's generally labour.

I come from a working class family but I'm not myself, I'm just common
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how so???

edit: Wow did not even see that post above me, lol


He pushed a lot of deregulation and trickle down economics, both of these things have recently come back to bite us in the ass really really hard.
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He pushed a lot of deregulation and trickle down economics, both of these things have recently come back to bite us in the ass really really hard.

Yep sure did. But it was a great 20 years. It's still not as bad as the late '70s were. It will probably get there but it isn't yet.
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Poor people who work a shitty, low-paying job that only just gets them by. People who work and only just survive.

A college student is most likely not working class.
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He pushed a lot of deregulation and trickle down economics, both of these things have recently come back to bite us in the ass really really hard.

This.

Ironic, isn't it, that Small Government Conservatives™ cranked up the "War" on Drugs?

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This.

Ironic, isn't it, that Small Government Conservatives™ cranked up the "War" on Drugs?

I'm a Reagan fan, but this is one of the few policies where I disagree. It is a waste if money.
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#31
Well... it's someone who gets up at seven and goes to work at nine. Someone who's got no time for livin', 'cause he's workin' all the time...
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This.

Ironic, isn't it, that Small Government Conservatives™ cranked up the "War" on Drugs?

Yes it is. But at the time it was as much a foreign policy decision as anything else.
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Yes it is. But at the time it was as much a foreign policy decision as anything else.

I'd disagree with this. I think by the time Bush I did his piece with it, he was grasping at straws to find a common enemy to replace the former Soviet Union. It makes me little difference what your reasoning is to find it odd though. Hair-splitting and such.

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Are you still working class if your job involves working with your hands (labour, w/e), but you earn £15-30 an hour?
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Are you still working class if your job involves working with your hands (labour, w/e), but you earn £15-30 an hour?


Depends on who you ask, but many would say yes.
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Like there's a street in my city right on the outskirts, all mansions, you would think it's executives or something, but most of them are plumbers. Wish my carpenter apprenticeship had pulled through
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Like there's a street in my city right on the outskirts, all mansions, you would think it's executives or something, but most of them are plumbers. Wish my carpenter apprenticeship had pulled through


Yeah plumbing is a very high paying job, but it is usually considered working class.
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* People doing heavy manual work, usually for low wages, such as farm labourers, miners, builders and factory workers.
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* Lowest class in most social class systems, including factory workers, miners, and others.
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* The group of people generally identified in Marxist theory as the proletariat. Although they are in a struggle for power with the bourgeoisie, the ...
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* labor: a social class comprising those who do manual labor or work for wages; "there is a shortage of skilled labor in this field"
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* Working class is a term used in academic sociology and in ordinary conversation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working class

* The social class of those who perform physical work for a living, as opposed to the professional or middle class, the upper class, or others; Relating to the working class; suggestive of the working class in manner of speaking, outlook, appearance or other qualities
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Basically, working class usually implies social status, not just occupation. For example, chavs who win the lottery are still working class.
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#39
I think class discrimination is rediculous actually, I would say I'm middle class, but a lot of people I socialise with are "working" class, and I'm being entirely truthful when i say that I prefer being with them than i do with middle-upper class people, I really don't like possession based people, I generally find that working-middle class are far friendly etc, but yeah, class discrimination is rediculous, when you think that a "working class family" could live a far more expensive lifestyle than an "middle-upper class" family, don't complain about my grammar I've been drinking.

EDIT: ^Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, it's a social status thing.
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I'd disagree with this. I think by the time Bush I did his piece with it, he was grasping at straws to find a common enemy to replace the former Soviet Union. It makes me little difference what your reasoning is to find it odd though. Hair-splitting and such.

Disagree all you want to but Reagan era foreign policy was absorbed with prevention of Stalinist expansion in the western hemisphere. The Reagan administration saw Columbian cocaine and Mexican reefer as funding pools for revolutionaries. Sad to say but at that time in history he was right.
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