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#1
i mean by heart, for every note, how many do average people know them by heart?
#2
Define "average". Do you mean average three chord punk player or average shredder?

More to the point why do you care?
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#3
Pentatonic, and diatonic major.
I'm fairly familiar with diatonic minor.
Why does it matter? Are you gauging your own abilities by ours? e.g: loads of blues guitar players don't actually know any scales, they can just navigate the fretboard.
#5
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Most guitarists I know don't know any scales.

subconsciously they probably do. i didn't think i knew any. then i went to college doing music, and the guitar teacher showed me loads of scales that i didn't "know" but had been using all along.
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#6
minor pentatonic, major, harmonic minor
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#7
Major and Minor pentatonics, major and minor scales and I'm alright on blues scales. In terms of memorising the actual notes of the scales I'm bad, and for everything scale apart from C/Am I have to go through my head thinking of the notes.
#8
major pentatonics, minor and major scales and some minor arpeggios
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#9
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It's better to learn how to make them up. The number of half steps and whole steps, so you can understand how they work rather than just a load of boxes.


This. What's the point of memorizing "boxes" of each separate scale? If you know how a scale is constructed, you can learn a single set of patterns and use them for every (diatonic) scale.
#10
tell u what, just learn major scales and then take tips from marty friedman on utube

that should give u fair idea on scales

and dont be hard driven on scales for soloing, use your ear more, thats what i do

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#11
knowing scales is one thing. Anyone can memorize notes, but the application of the scales is what is important.
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#12
If you know modes (diatonic or melodic or even harmonic)... scale formation isn't really rocket science.
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#13
I know the pentatonic major/minor scales across the neck, one shape of the major scale and the harmonic minor scale. I don't use them though, I tend to improvise on what 'sounds' right, and where I would go next, wether or not it's in a scale. Dissonant notes are one of the best ways to build tension in solos, and if you just stuck to one scale all the time, I could immagine people getting very bored.
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#14
its easier just to put all the notes on the fretboard through the intervals in the scale rather than memorizing each note imo.
#15
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Define "average". Do you mean average three chord punk player or average shredder?

More to the point why do you care?

+1

It's a pretty stupid question.

People learn whatever scales they need to know to help create and understand the music they love.

"How many?" is simply isn't an issue.
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#16
Harmonic minor
Major
Minor
Melodic minor
penatonic minor

but i useally mess about with them while soloing or whatever like marty friedman from his melodic control video etc..
#18
Major
Harmonic Minor
Blues
Pentatonic Major and Minor
and most of the Modes.
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#19
Satch has some songs in Hungarian Minor which is pretty odd, but all the more awesome.

It's the application that matters. My guitar teacher has been playing for 20 years and has yet to find an application for Melodic Minor.
#20
The Pentatonic Minor Scale.

Thats it. Seriously.

I play hardcore punk, so scales don't really matter much for me, but i should still learn some more anyway.
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#21
Am arpeggio
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#22
All 7, err, "normal" modes (for lack of a better word)
Minor Pentatonic
Hungarian Gypsy
Blues/Hexatonic Scale
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#23
Just one, the major scale. Every modes for every key is derived from that scale anyway.
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http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=uSaTAGsIBEI

this?

pretty helpful video i guess, yep it was a stupid question sry...


Marty Friedman's way of looking at playing is almost entirely unique among guitar players, I wouldn't worry too much about his attitude towards scales, just try to get your head round everything else he says. Quite frankly I think his drive to become something different to your average guitar player has led to some quite frankly...stupid attitudes toward music.

Nothing against him though, he is beyond awesome.
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#25
Marty's got some interesting ideas about melody, nothing against the guy though.

I know the seven modes of the major scale, how to alter those for the Gypsy scale and Harmonic Minor, and my pentatonics in their various voicings.

I just try to use my ear when I'm playing along, get something that fits and stands out as opposed to just rocking arpeggios all over.
#26
Pentatonic maj/min
Blues
Most of the modes (including pentatonic and diminished)
Harmonic minor
Melodic minor
Double harmonic
a bunch of exotic scales (cant be bothered to name em all, but they include ones like the Mongolian and Chinese)

these are the ones I know but I dont really make too much use of the exotic scales.
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#27
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Marty Friedman's way of looking at playing is almost entirely unique among guitar players, I wouldn't worry too much about his attitude towards scales, just try to get your head round everything else he says. Quite frankly I think his drive to become something different to your average guitar player has led to some quite frankly...stupid attitudes toward music.

Nothing against him though, he is beyond awesome.


meh, I think he has the point, we should create our own scales
#28
both pentatonics, Aeolian, Dorian, Harmonic Minor, Ionian, Phyrigian.
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#29
I know a lot of scales that I don't often use. The scales that I'm most proficient in, as far as improvisation goes: Major, Ionian, pentatonic minor, blues scales, and harmonic minor.
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#30
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meh, I think he has the point, we should create our own scales


I don't. For a start he almost completely ignores scalar ideas in favour of using arpeggios for EVERYTHING and for a second: any scale you can think of already has a name, you just need to find it.

He has a good way of looking at things in terms of using chord tones and arpeggios, arpeggio substitution and all that kind of thing but his idea that learning scales leads to playing a certain way is just bullshit.
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#31
Major, minor (have natural down well, working on the other two), have some experience with pentatonics (i understand vaguely how they work), a smidge of knowledge on the blues scale and I'm starting to learn how modes work
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#32
G Major (for some reason I can't do the Major scale in any other key though) and any Augmented Fifth Scale.

Yup, that is all I know. I find it doesn't matter though, I know what each string at each fret sounds like, so as long as I know the tune, I can play basically anything and make up solos on the spot without knowing the key the song's in. But that's how I always am with everything, I'm always self-taught with anything and I never learn the 'proper' ways to do stuff.
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#33
I only know A minor and harmonic minor, but I know how to form all the others (Phrygian, lidian, etc...) because I know the shapes (whatever you call them). I don't really use the others though because I don't need them for the type of music I play
#34
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I don't. For a start he almost completely ignores scalar ideas in favour of using arpeggios for EVERYTHING and for a second: any scale you can think of already has a name, you just need to find it.

He has a good way of looking at things in terms of using chord tones and arpeggios, arpeggio substitution and all that kind of thing but his idea that learning scales leads to playing a certain way is just bullshit.

This.

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#35
Major across the board (easy, just learn the shape and start from whatever root note)
Kinda have A Aeolian.
And pieces of a few others.
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#37
You usually don't learn scales note for note. You learn their step patterns to construct the scale, then you can construct the scale on the fretboard and memorize whatever positions you want.

I know how to construct stuff like the Major, Minor, Melodic and Harmonic Minor scales. But the ones i've memorized all over the Fretboard are the Natural Minor(change to harmonic by one note), the Minor Pentatonic. And the first position of the Major scale, although it's the same thing as the Natural Minor in a different position and key.
#38
Every time I think I know all of them they surprise me in theory class.. the other day we learnt the modes of the melodic minor:

Melodic Minor
Dorian b2
Lydian Augmented
Lydian Dominant (the Simpsons theme!)
Mixolydian b13
Aeolian b5
Locrian #2


Then there's all the altered scales, Half/Whole Diminished, Whole/Half Diminished, Whole Tone, all modes of the major, Melodic and harmonic minors, pentatonics, blues.

I know a grand majority of them in all positions, but after a while I start thinking in theory rather than pattern, and I flit between then so much that whenever I'm asked 'What scale are you using?" I respond - the chromatic one.
#40
I use-

Major and minor pentatonic
Natural Minor
Harmonic Minor
Blues
Major
Lydian
Mixolydian

I can't remember any more of the modes.
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