#1
I've been playing for quite awhile and I've seen all manner of effects and amps. The biggest problem I see among even some of the more experienced players is SEVERELY over complicating their rig. I've seen rack setups that look like something you'd have to have IT on call to fix if it broke.

I'm a minimalist, myself. I run through a Crybaby GCB-95 (Modded) with an MXR Smart Gate and a Pedal Tuner, and I'll use the footswitch on the amp to go from clean to distorted. I absolutely hate non-amplifier distortion. I'll eventually add a wireless and a power conditioner, but I truly don't see a reason to put anything else between my guitar and the amp. I'm a strong believer in 90% of the tone coming from the guitar player and his/her approach to the instrument.

Anyone here dabbled in effects and found that the less they have, the better?
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#2
well, i have three effects pedals myself, but i can never recall ever using all three at once and enjoying the output.
its too... muddled
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I'd say at one point I probably thought the way you do about it, but to be honest in the last year or so playing live has taught me the value of having a good range of effects, I don't use them all the time but when I think I can add another texture to a lead line then I have plenty to choose from with a mix of my pedalboard and my H&K.
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well, i have three effects pedals myself, but i can never recall ever using all three at once and enjoying the output.
its too... muddled


I used to play 3 Ibanez Tube Screamers, a Big Muff Pi fuzz Box, a Fender Pedal Tuner, A Boss OC-2 Octave, a Boss Metal Zone Distortion, a Real McCoy Custom Wah thru a Fender Princeton Chorus amp and a Fender Hot Rod Deville 410. I kept chasing this tone I had in my head and it eventually came when I plugged straight into the amp and refined my playing. lol.
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well its nice to have different things to texture your playing....you can do some great stuff with delay, wah, phaser, etc...that just sounds good
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I'd say at one point I probably thought the way you do about it, but to be honest in the last year or so playing live has taught me the value of having a good range of effects, I don't use them all the time but when I think I can add another texture to a lead line then I have plenty to choose from with a mix of my pedalboard and my H&K.


I've been playing live for years and I have all the effects I need just using my hands and the volume knobs on my geetar. Of course, I don't exactly play several genre's either. I usually stick to a range of blues-rock - metal. Instead of making my sound fit the song, I usually try to make the song fit my sound. Makes for a more original cover, IMO.
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I've been playing live for years and I have all the effects I need just using my hands and the volume knobs on my geetar. Of course, I don't exactly play several genre's either. I usually stick to a range of blues-rock - metal. Instead of making my sound fit the song, I usually try to make the song fit my sound. Makes for a more original cover, IMO.


Haha, don't get me wrong I can certainly see where you are coming from, although I would have to disagree with you on the 90% of tone depending on the player.

I however do have to play a lot of different genre's throughout a set and honestly effects keep a lot of it more interesting than it would be otherwise.

I think really though effects will always come down to personal preference and i know personally I'd rather play say Mr Blue Sky by ELO with a little chorus and phaser than just clean guitar.
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#8
i run through only 3 pedals, 2 behringer ones (overdrive blues and overdrive distortion) and a crybaby. it's all i really need.

i mainly play classic rock, such as pink floyd, acdc, led zep etc. all the way through to modern stuff such as muse, green day, john mayer and some tom petty stuff, although he's not really modern but you get my point.
#9
i have basically every kind of pedal there is... (distortion, tremolo, phaser flanger, chorus, wah) and i plan on getting a whammy pedal, rotovibe, and digital delay...but i rarely use any at the same time...i'll only use like 1 at a time otherwise your sounds will be weird and you'll have to strain to figure out whats even coming out of your amp.
#10
^ I'm with dbl. I have tons of effects. I have built all but two of them, and of those two, one is a crybaby that i've modded into my "every-wah." It really depends on my mood on how I use my pedals. Lately I've just been plugging straight into an amp, but in a few months/weeks/days/hours I may think "Man, I want to hear some self oscillating octave down fuzz." And I will have it right at my feet.
#11
I run my guitar through my wah pedal, then tubescreamer, then to the amp. Suits me just fine.
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i like effects, but i dont like to use them that much, i have a wah and a distortion which runs into my amp set up for my perfect clean tone

im planning to get a phaser and whammy, and i thunk thats all i will ever need
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I used to play 3 Ibanez Tube Screamers, a Big Muff Pi fuzz Box, a Fender Pedal Tuner, A Boss OC-2 Octave, a Boss Metal Zone Distortion, a Real McCoy Custom Wah thru a Fender Princeton Chorus amp and a Fender Hot Rod Deville 410. I kept chasing this tone I had in my head and it eventually came when I plugged straight into the amp and refined my playing. lol.


LOL. I'm sigging this...

But my perfect pedal board is as follows...

Wah-Delay-Compressor-Noise Gate-Chorus; and MAYBE a flange or booster....

None of those are in order but whatever. You catch my drift.
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#15
this thread is so stupid. one of these pops up every so often.

of course you don't need ****loads of effects playing classic rock or nu-metalcore or whatever the **** it is you obviously play.

plugging your guitar straight into your amp is like painting with a very small, select group of colours. pedals can expand your sonic pallette.

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I've been playing for quite awhile and I've seen all manner of effects and amps. The biggest problem I see among even some of the more experienced players is SEVERELY over complicating their rig. I've seen rack setups that look like something you'd have to have IT on call to fix if it broke.

I'm a minimalist, myself. I run through a Crybaby GCB-95 (Modded) with an MXR Smart Gate and a Pedal Tuner, and I'll use the footswitch on the amp to go from clean to distorted. I absolutely hate non-amplifier distortion. I'll eventually add a wireless and a power conditioner, but I truly don't see a reason to put anything else between my guitar and the amp. I'm a strong believer in 90% of the tone coming from the guitar player and his/her approach to the instrument.

Anyone here dabbled in effects and found that the less they have, the better?


effects type and amount is 110% opinion and preference, ergo: this thread will achieve nothing

tbh i go through phases of only using 1 or 2 of my pedals to using all 6 at once
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this thread is so stupid. one of these pops up every so often.

of course you don't need ****loads of effects playing classic rock or nu-metalcore or whatever the **** it is you obviously play.

plugging your guitar straight into your amp is like painting with a very small, select group of colours. pedals can expand your sonic pallette.


I disagree. Most new to intermediate players use bunches of FX to mask sub-par playing skills IMO. Makes them sound better than they really are.
What separates great players from the rest is the ability to sound incredible using no FX. While I agree that FX open doors to new sounds, it detracts from the tonal purity & articulation quality. 95% of the time, I plug straight into my amp, & use only a touch of reverb in the FX loop. I only use heavier FX when I play Van Halen covers. Using less FX will force you to be a better player if you want to sound good. Just my 2 cents.


stevo-I don't think the thread was supposed to achieve anything other than get some different viewpoints & discussion. I like to hear what other players have to say about lots of stuff!
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Kiss method.

Keep it simple stupid.

I have my guitar, it goes into a wah, into a chorus and into a delay. It goes into the amp's high input, from the efx out it goes into an eq pedal and then back in.

This is a pretty simple rig. Fewer effects = less things to go wrong on stage.
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I disagree. Most new to intermediate players use bunches of FX to mask sub-par playing skills IMO. Makes them sound better than they really are.
What separates great players from the rest is the ability to sound incredible using no FX. While I agree that FX open doors to new sounds, it detracts from the tonal purity & articulation quality. 95% of the time, I plug straight into my amp, & use only a touch of reverb in the FX loop. I only use heavier FX when I play Van Halen covers. Using less FX will force you to be a better player if you want to sound good. Just my 2 cents.


stevo-I don't think the thread was supposed to achieve anything other than get some different viewpoints & discussion. I like to hear what other players have to say about lots of stuff!



if music is art, and art is a form of expression, why does it matter at how technically skilled you are?

you shouldn't even need to know how to play an instrument to be able to make music.

most people think about music in a very limited, ignorant way.

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if music is art, and art is a form of expression, why does it matter at how technically skilled you are?

you shouldn't even need to know how to play an instrument to be able to make music.

most people think about music in a very limited, ignorant way.


to be fair, that is actually what music is so im going to have to disagree there
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if music is art, and art is a form of expression, why does it matter at how technically skilled you are?

you shouldn't even need to know how to play an instrument to be able to make music.

most people think about music in a very limited, ignorant way.


I can crap on a canvas & call it art if I want to, but is that really art?
Because you can fart "The Star Spangled Banner" doesn't make you a musician IMO, any more than a garage full of monkeys banging on garbage cans does. I never said you must be technically skilled (but it helps), but you need articulation to maximize your ability to convey what you're trying to express. I'd much rather hear someone play with singing vibrato & brilliant articulation & dynamic range, than someone who just plucks unexpressively at strings. Have you noticed that probably most of the musicians you like are pretty technically skilled? There IS a pattern of pretty good technical skills among professional musicians.
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I can crap on a canvas & call it art if I want to, but is that really art?
Because you can fart "The Star Spangled Banner" doesn't make you a musician IMO, any more than a garage full of monkeys banging on garbage cans does. I never said you must be technically skilled (but it helps), but you need articulation to maximize your ability to convey what you're trying to express. I'd much rather hear someone play with singing vibrato & brilliant articulation & dynamic range, than someone who just plucks unexpressively at strings. Have you noticed that probably most of the musicians you like are pretty technically skilled? There IS a pattern of pretty good technical skills among professional musicians.



Agreed.

Seriously, who doesn't want to improve their playing?
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#23
if you've ever heard any mid 90's screamo act, you'll understand sort of where i'm coming from.

i can pluck very expressively at strings, and it won't sound like anything to you.

i can sweep very unexpressively across strings, and it doesn't sound like anything to me.

you don't approve of drone/ambient music, and i don't approve of classic rock.

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Agreed.

Seriously, who doesn't want to improve their playing?



who doesn't want to expand their creativity?

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who doesn't want to expand their creativity?



Ah hah, answer a question with a question, well, I'll answer yours since you don't wanna answer mine.

I'm always trying to expand my creativity, but it doesn't have to involve effects. I'm always trying to think of new and more interesting licks, just figuring out how to arrange the same 5 or 6 notes to make it my own.

I think the real difference here is me and riff see the guitar as a leading instrument, meant to cut and amaze and I think you maybe just want it to blend together.
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#26
i'll answer yours.

my point is that you shouldn't HAVE to be an amazing guitarist to create music.

i am always trying to explore new territory. i feel like i don't need to be any better of a guitarist to be able to make music.

i'm trying to open up the idea to you that guitar isn't always used as a tool to impress women and become an icon. it isn't necessarily the most important, defining instrument in a band.

but to each their own.

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i'll answer yours.

my point is that you shouldn't HAVE to be an amazing guitarist to create music.

No one said you did

i am always trying to explore new territory. i feel like i don't need to be any better of a guitarist to be able to make music.

I still don't understand why you wouldn't want to improve. Being better only opens up more possibilities

i'm trying to open up the idea to you that guitar isn't always used as a tool to impress women and become an icon. it isn't necessarily the most important, defining instrument in a band.

Fundamental disagreement here. To me guitar is THE lead instrument. I'd love playing guitar no matter what, but since it is my instrument of choice I want it to be at the forefront.

but to each their own.

Agree to disagree.




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#28
I'll just answer the FIRST question in the thread. I found as my sound got better, and my playing got better, I used my POD less and less untill it became mostly just a distortion stompbox, and now I have a nice amp, so I don't even use it for that. The only effects that are practical to me it seems would be something like an overdrive, maybe a noise gate if noise is an issue, maybe a clean boost in the loop, a delay when its subtle cause you can just leave it on and always have it just add that little bit. Also, I do use my wah, but only for solos. Someday I imagine I'll have a mod or two, but i'll use them VERY sparingly, only if I'm, say, covering a rush song, or something like that.

I spend 99% of my time using guitar --> wah --> amp. And I only spend about 1 or 2% of that with the wah turned on.
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