Poll: Could allied commanders be potentially guilty of war crimes?
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View poll results: Could allied commanders be potentially guilty of war crimes?
Yes
62 37%
No
41 24%
Maybe
39 23%
Don't know
27 16%
Voters: 169.
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#1
After reading alot about WWII today, ive wondered this question. Some people argue that attrocities were commited by the allies and that they could potentially be guilty of war crimes.

Pit, your thoughts?
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#2
Sounds like the Nuremburg (Sp? maybe?) Trials.
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The Allies did NOTHING compared to some of the stuff the Axis leaders did, that's why they were tried.
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#5
Possibly, but they were nowhere near as worse as what the Germans and Japanese did.
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#6
what is with the WWII threads today? seriously.
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#7
The Allies probably did treat their captives like ****. Let's face it though, they won. End of story.
#8
legaly... yes, will they be? probably not.
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The Allies did NOTHING compared to some of the stuff the Axis leaders did, that's why they were tried.


Yeah, the Nazis really outshined any other evil bastards that might have been lurking around at the time.
#10
probably, generally every side in a conflict could be tried for war crimes, but only the losing side ever is, it's called victors justice.
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#11
They should also have been tried, as usual the victors are exalted and the defeated vicitmised even more. This trend has been pretty much in existence throughout human history.
#12
Hmm when you think about it, will we ever know what went on... i mean behind closed door's, like they had camp's in germany... but the media painted a diffrent picture's...

our world is basically viewed/ judged by what the mass media report/ are told to report by government's, they arent directly controlled by governments per say, but they are limited by censorship and red tape etc etc.
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#13
One could actually argue that the Japanese were much crueler than the Nazis were in WWII.
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Possibly, but they were nowhere near as worse as what the Germans and Japanese did.

Dresden?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Come on. They were all as bad as each other. When a conflict escalates like that people do evil things.
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#15
not true aaciseric, stalin killed more but it was more covert than hitler
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One could actually argue that the Japanese were much crueler than the Nazis were in WWII.

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#17
History is written by the winners, to quote Churchill "History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it." If the Axis had won the War then allied Commanders would have undoubtedly been tried for war crimes, a crime is only a perception after all.
#18
can anybody give me a link to the wikipedia article that says that the japanese did all sorts of weird stuff to their prisoners,like taking of their stomachs
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Dresden?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Come on. They were all as bad as each other. When a conflict escalates like that people do evil things.


I know, but they weren't as bad as each other. Nazis willingly executed 6 million Jews, guilty of genocide. I don't condone the use of the atomic bomb, or targeting civillians, but at the end of the day, they are effectively collateral damage.

Although they weren't as bad as Stalin, he was pretty twisted.
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#20
Well, my house was built by German prisoners of war...
No doubt some of the prisoners were treated badly.

Also, not all German leaders were cruel torturers.
Rommel for example.

The Afrika Korps was never accused of any war crimes, and Rommel himself referred to the fighting in North Africa as Krieg ohne Hass—war without hate. Numerous examples exist of Rommel's chivalry towards Allied POWs, such as his defiance of Hitler's infamous Commando Order following the capture of Lt. Roy Woodridge and Lt. George Lane as part of Operation Fortitude, as well as his refusal to comply with an order from Hitler to execute Jewish POWs. During Rommel's time in France, Hitler ordered him to deport the Jews in France; Rommel disobeyed the order. Several times, he wrote letters protesting the treatment of the Jews. When British Major Geoffrey Keyes was killed during a failed Commando raid to kill or capture Rommel behind German lines, Rommel ordered him buried with full military honours. Also, during the construction of the Atlantic Wall, Rommel directed that French workers were not to be used as slaves, but were to be paid for their labor.
#21
Theres been massive controversy over the allied bombing runs on Dresden and other areas of Germany and the guy that commanded it, and of course theres the moral issues surrounding the atom bombs. I'm not sure if anyone's ever been tried though. As mentioned, victors justice as well as the atrocities of the Nazis and the overall horror of that kind of war somewhat block the ideas.

If you asked someone whats worse, 100,00 dead civilians in a night of wartime bombing or several years of secret genocidal death camps, I would think Hitler's rarely going to come off best.
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thats ****in horrible
but as it has been said you cant measure atrocities. hiroshima was filled with innocents too.
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#23
I think most people can agree that what Imperial Japan and the Nazis did far outstrips whatever the allies did in terms of its cruelty.

But if you look at the law, the fact that some sicko kills 20 people doesn't stop a one time murderer from being a criminal also.
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not true aaciseric, stalin killed more but it was more covert than hitler


Fair enough but the Nazis still outshined the other evil bastards because it was much more publsized due to them being defeated. It seems to be that the worse a dictator is the more their actions are downplayed throughout history, for instance Vlad Tepes was one of the cruelest people in history but very few people know of his crimes.
#26
No, we won, so we decide who to try. Also, comparatively speaking, anything the allies did pales in comparison to both Japanese and German warcrimes.
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They should also have been tried, as usual the victors are exalted and the defeated vicitmised even more. This trend has been pretty much in existence throughout human history.

The defeated did a lot of bad things. As far as I know, the Allies didn't have a Dr. Mengele.
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#29
Considering Russia is allied many of them could have been for how they treated POWs, I could see the Nuke argued into it.
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#30
Yes, they should have been tried for war crimes as well.

For example, the Russians were responsible for horrible crimes on German soil. One could argue they just wanted revenge for what the Wehrmacht did to them, but that still does not in any way justify executions of surrendering soldiers and prisoners, and rape and various other horrible crimes commited against women and children.

Something the Red Army was very much guilty of, but this was somehow ignored after the war. Because after all, they won. They could just keep sending people to work camps in Siberia where they suffered enormously. Out of the 91 000 German prisoners taken at Stalingrad, less than six-thousand returned home alive!

From 1934 to 1953, over a million people died in Gulag (the so called work-camps). But the Soviet Union was on the winning side, and these things could continue after the war.
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Considering Russia is allied many of them could have been for how they treated POWs, I could see the Nuke argued into it.

America didn't exactly threat it's prisoners wonderfully either.
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#33
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No, we won, so we decide who to try. Also, comparatively speaking, anything the allies did pales in comparison to both Japanese and German warcrimes.


But even though it "pales in comparison", a war crime is still a war crime. You can't ignore it simply because somebody else did something classified as "worse".
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#34
I'd say no, because:
1. Most of them are dead, and it would be a pointless exercise
2. The winners always decide what was legal

But frankly anyone who thinks the Allied soldiers were all paladins, resplendant in their saintly virtue is a f*cking idiot.
#36
Actually, what would you consider to be a war crime?

Personally I see it as a breach of one of the 5 "rules" of war. I can't really see that the allies, apart from Stalin, actually broke those.
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#37
Most of them are dead.

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Fair enough but the Nazis still outshined the other evil bastards because it was much more publsized due to them being defeated. It seems to be that the worse a dictator is the more their actions are downplayed throughout history, for instance Vlad Tepes was one of the cruelest people in history but very few people know of his crimes.


Not true the reason Vlad the Impaler isn't well known is because he doesn't really apply to many country's histories. I wouldn't say either Hitler nor Stalin was more evil, evil is really the motivation of your crimes, not the success of it.

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But even though it "pales in comparison", a war crime is still a war crime. You can't ignore it simply because somebody else did something classified as "worse".


Yes you can, it is done all the time.
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Pretty much. I'm not really interested in debating the morality of the men of yesteryear. Learn from them, sure, but I don't care to judge them.

In legal terms, though, they totally could've been guilty if brought to trial.
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Not true the reason Vlad the Impaler isn't well known is because he doesn't really apply to many country's histories. I wouldn't say either Hitler nor Stalin was more evil, evil is really the motivation of your crimes, not the success of it.


Yes you can, it is done all the time.


True, but that still does not change the fact that war crimes were done by the Allies, which is what the topic question was.
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