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This week, the U.S. National Intelligence Council released their global trends report. It basically said that by 2025, the U.S.A. would still be the worlds single most important player, but that economic dominance would increasingly shift towards Russia, China, India, and to a lesser extent, Brazil. This would contribute to these countries influence increasing significantly on the world stage.

Looking through history, no powers last as a global hegemon forever, and that made me think, how long do you think the U.S.A. will still be the dominant world power and who do you think the next superpower(s) will be and why.
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#2
Until war screw you over
It happened to us (UK)
It'll happen again
Someone random will invade
and you guys will be demoted in the world's eye
What I just said is a lie.
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i really dont think China would over take the U.S. that soon...they depend so much on exports/imports from us...we basically fund that country with everything they buy from us so it would be bad for china to over take us economically...just my opinion with no research what so ever
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Who cares, either way in 20 years time, USA, Russia, China, even the UK, will still be making empty threats at one another.
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Until war screw you over
It happened to us (UK)
It'll happen again
Someone random will invade
and you guys will be demoted in the world's eye


invade the U.S? i seriously doubt that will happen by 2025 or 2040
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Until war screw you over
It happened to us (UK)
It'll happen again
Someone random will invade
and you guys will be demoted in the world's eye


I highly doubt anyone would try to invade the US any time in the remotely near future.
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invade the U.S? i seriously doubt that will happen by 2025 or 2040


If by 2040, noone has invaded the USA

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i really dont think China would over take the U.S. that soon...they depend so much on exports/imports from us...we basically fund that country with everything they buy from us so it would be bad for china to over take us economically...just my opinion with no research what so ever

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invade the U.S? i seriously doubt that will happen by 2025 or 2040


Yeah it isn't that unlikely, considering how much ground a plane can cover.
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Going by my schedule, The Dominion Of The Supreme Ruler(me), ought to be surpassing the USA by 2020.
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#12
china would **** us all up now
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Yeah it isn't that unlikely, considering how much ground a plane can cover.


we have pretty good defenses against that, not to mention how impractical it would be to get a force large enough to do serious damage to us over here by plane.
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until the US, chinese, russian or any other country can pull their **** together and stop war and terrorism and all that crap, i refuse them any title that has superpower in it.
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#16
I am a believer in the 2012 prediction *flame shield*. I honestly think that within the next couple years, China or Russia will make a move of some sort to gain more power. If China decides its time that the US pay them back for the ****load of money we owe them then the US is beyond ****ed. And going around starting wars will bite the US in the ass, look at the Roman empire, they expanded their empire so far that it eventually collapsed b/c resources were stretched so thin.
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The US will be the superpower for a while because of our advanced military



that means **** all though, british empire where militarily far superior to anything. Now after 2 big ass wars, if were honest, britain has little influence on the global stage.
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By that time oil in the mideast will run out.


US will still have its reserves

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Yeah it isn't that unlikely, considering how much ground a plane can cover.


but really? a full out invasion from any of the superpowers would just take a massive amt of resources...not to mention missile defense systems...thats just highly unlikely
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even with the debt you cant say it would be good for China to overtake the U.S. it just doesnt make any sense to me
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i really dont think China would over take the U.S. that soon...they depend so much on exports/imports from us...we basically fund that country with everything they buy from us so it would be bad for china to over take us economically...just my opinion with no research what so ever



History shows us that it is normally the producer/creditor country that ends up taking economic eminence. Not so long ago, the USA was the country that was producing tons of products and selling it to the super powers. Also we were the country that was loaning money to the world. It was how we came to become the economic superpower. It seems that now the roles are reversed.

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The logistics alone of invading the USA are mind-boggling. Getting the necessary amount of troops over either of the Oceans in order to not just invade the States but to quell the inevitable popular uprisings would be both extremely difficult and prohitively expensive. Even if it were managed, America has (arguably) the most powerful military with the most powerful weapons. There is a reason we spend more money on Defense than on Education. To make sure it stays that way. The fight that both the military and the populace of this country would put up in order to maintain it's freedom would be enough to stay any megalomaniacal (or otherwise) leader's hand. Not only that, there is a reason we keep military bases around the world. I am sure that by 2040, the number of those bases will have decreased significantly, but not significantly enough to prevent any military aggresiveness on American soil to be dealt with an a frighteningly ruthless manner in very short notice.

I don't see any invasion on American soil occuring anywhere near 2040.

All of that being said, you never know what crazy **** could happen.
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The logistics alone of invading the USA are mind-boggling. Getting the necessary amount of troops over either of the Oceans in order to not just invade the States but to quell the inevitable popular uprisings would be both extremely difficult and prohitively expensive. Even if it were managed, America has (arguably) the most powerful military with the most powerful weapons. There is a reason we spend more money on Defense than on Education. To make sure it stays that way. The fight that both the military and the populace of this country would put up in order to maintain it's freedom would be enough to stay any megalomaniacal (or otherwise) leader's hand. Not only that, there is a reason we keep military bases around the world. I am sure that by 2040, the number of those bases will have decreased significantly, but not significantly enough to prevent any military aggresiveness on American soil to be dealt with an a frighteningly ruthless manner in very short notice.

I don't see any invasion on American soil occuring anywhere near 2040.

All of that being said, you never know what crazy **** could happen.



The thing is China wouldn't really care about being seen. China has been renowned for sending people out in wars to just get killed while the real forces attack. China has enough people to spare to sacrifice a lot of lives to get to American shores. Since China is communist their leaders can just force the people to go fight. The world is at the mercy of China's will.
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Actually, the next superpower will be the giant space ants.
I'd like to lead the welcome of our new insect overlords, and remind them that, as a trusted media personality, I could be useful in organising work parties for the sugar mines.
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Or at least it would have if John Sargent hadn't dropped out of Strictly... Damn him!


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History shows us that it is normally the producer/creditor country that ends up taking economic eminence. Not so long ago, the USA was the country that was producing tons of products and selling it to the super powers. Also we were the country that was loaning money to the world. It was how we came to become the economic superpower. It seems that now the roles are reversed.
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The thing is China wouldn't really care about being seen. China has been renowned for sending people out in wars to just get killed while the real forces attack. China has enough people to spare to sacrifice a lot of lives to get to American shores. Since China is communist their leaders can just force the people to go fight. The world is at the mercy of China's will.



But the Chinese would only do that if they were convinced that they would win in the end.

Lets look at the scenario.

Lets say that the Chinese military sends a significant task force to invade the United States by plane. They do this over the Pacific Ocean. When their planes get anywhere remotely near our airspace, our Air Force would be mobilized with catastrophic results for any significant airborne troop mobilization. And while all of that is going on, the FUCK TON of troops we have in South Korea, Japan, India, and I believe, Thailand would invade China.

That kind of a war is NOT lucrative for any country anywhere. Even though this entire scenario is based off of assumptions and modern day thinking. I just don't see anything like this happening, not, at least, with the way things are today.

I completely disagree tha the entire world is at the mercy of China's will.
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The thing is China wouldn't really care about being seen. China has been renowned for sending people out in wars to just get killed while the real forces attack. China has enough people to spare to sacrifice a lot of lives to get to American shores. Since China is communist their leaders can just force the people to go fight. The world is at the mercy of China's will.


LOL

You don't know what you're talking about. And I completely agree with Seryaph. Any military historian or tactician will tell you it's pretty impossible with our current means. Sure, maybe they could get enough resources to the U.S. if we just sat around and let them. But that's the last thing we're doing.

Probably the most feasible invasion would come from South America up through Central America and Cuba. But any attack coming that way would have to have naval superiority just like anyone invading North America from any direction would. Not to mention we'd have air superiority in any kind of invasion, and we will for many many years to come. Any invading air force, present or future, would have a fundamental disadvantage.

It's basicly impossible.

EDIT: Of course the rest of the world could besiege/embargo the U.S. That's about the only way it could possibly happen. And still, it's not like we have absolutely no resources here - it's an entire continent.
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All great powers fall sooner or later. Happened to Persia, Rome, Britain, others.


Will we fall? Maybe. Anytime soon? I really really really doubt it.
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I completely disagree tha the entire world is at the mercy of China's will.
militarily, not now. at the mercy of their economic will, maybe soon.
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militarily, not now. at the mercy of their economic will, maybe soon.

Yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing for China if they haven't surpassed us economically by 2025/2040. Mainly based on our vulnerability right now.


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militarily, not now. at the mercy of their economic will, maybe soon.


It is possible that America will bounce back from our current depression with an even better economy.
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All I'm saying is China has the people to spare. Sure we have weapons, but they have people. Not to mention the allies they would have. If China did make a move then Iran and N. Korea, who have nuclear weapons, would band together with them and we'd be ****ed. All that would happen is nuclear war. So from that aspect China would probably rethink their motives. Ultimately, I think China is content with taking us over bit by bit economically.
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if the Economy keeps going the way it is right now then yea the U.S. has some horrible times ahead. if we pull through like we did in the Depression 80 years ago, we'll be okay. but to do this the people running America have to realize that we have to start making things in the U.S. and selling to other countries again.

also i don't believe that anyone would honestly try to invade the U.S. Even if the U.S. openly says we're **** of of money and can't afford a military, the good amount of citizens would all ban together and fight the invaders with whatever guns they themselves own
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All great powers fall sooner or later. Happened to Persia, Rome, Britain, others.


Will we fall? Maybe. Anytime soon? I really really really doubt it.



On an interesting side-note, I have heard that China are investing in Africa rather fervently. What does this matter, you might ask? Don't we also invest heavily in Africa?

Sure we do. But the Chinese are investing their money in several countries in Africa with no strings attached except for the loan to be paid back. Whenever the USA has gone into a country in Africa to invest, we also give out the loans with strings attached. "We want to see such-and-such improvements by this time. We want to see you invest this money into this specific area/problem," etc.

The Chinese are going in and loaning out money to whoever wants it with the sole condition that it be paid back. For example, the Chinese are one of the main financial backers of the government responsible for the genocideof Darfur. Not only financially, but they are the number 1 supplier of weapons to that area.

The thought behind this technique is that if those nations are given enough money to do with what they will, the countries will eventually being to develop on an economic level. China will being to export their goods to African nations with lowers prices. I have heard people say that the (kind of) plan behind this is for China to raise to being the super power on the back of the African nations, while at the same time, bringing up Africa as a whole with them on the way to power.

And frankly, the thought of China with a seriously developing and extremely resource-rich continent of Africa to back them up, is truly frightening.


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militarily, not now. at the mercy of their economic will, maybe soon.



I am not denying that the Chinese economy has us by the proverbial testicles. But the relationship is completely dependant on one another. Around 30% of the products we import are made in China. Considering the number of products we import, that is a huge number, and while I am not sure what percentage of Chinese production our 30% takes up, I am sure that it is a fairly significant number.

In other words, they have us by the testes but we have them by the throat.

At least, for now.
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All I'm saying is China has the people to spare. Sure we have weapons, but they have people. Not to mention the allies they would have. If China did make a move then Iran and N. Korea, who have nuclear weapons, would band together with them and we'd be ****ed. All that would happen is nuclear war. So from that aspect China would probably rethink their motives. Ultimately, I think China is content with taking us over bit by bit economically.



Why would Iran join forces with China?


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Why would Iran join forces with China?


I actually agree with this statement, here. In a way, it makes sense. You get rid of conflict and you pool your resources for collective use.

It has already begun. I think the use of the Euro is one of the first steps.
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