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i have a debate about censorship for school, i was curious what others opinions are on it, pros or cons are welcome, it can be about anything music film any entertainment/media stuff
#2
It's lame. ... wasn't "lame" censored?

Shit Fuck ....There's always a way to win against censorship.
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**** that **** censorship be ********* **** censorship it's **** ass lame.
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Censorship makes it WAY easier for the government to control it's civilians. Which is not a good thing. Governments being able to have almost complete control of what people learn/watch/hear means that said governments can basically do what they want and be completely under the public radar.
#11
Well it stops people who are too young or whose parents don't wish for them to be exposed to profain language hearing inappropriate things. Some people thing it ruins their "Freedom of Speech" and think they should be allowed to express any opinion in anyway they want.
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Censorship makes it WAY easier for the government to control it's civilians. Which is not a good thing. Governments being able to have almost complete control of what people learn/watch/hear means that said governments can basically do what they want and be completely under the public radar.


No, that's the way it should be. If the government doesn't monitor what the citizens are exposed to, and don't have any control over them, then problems arise.
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No, that's the way it should be. If the government doesn't monitor what the citizens are exposed to, and don't have any control over them, then problems arise.


Yet, if they're too draconian the problems occur also.

A happy medium is necessary.
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Censorship sucks more balls than a fucking gay pride after party


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No, that's the way it should be. If the government doesn't monitor what the citizens are exposed to, and don't have any control over them, then problems arise.


On the other hand the Chinese government censors it's media so much that most of their citizens have, or at least had, no idea what was going on in Tibet.

Censorship is always about treading a fine line between making sure that young minds don't see things that they shouldn't and just flat out controlling the flow of information about anything.
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Wear a white T-shirt that says "Fuck censorship!"


Make sure that the 'Fuck' is censored, to add to the irony.
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No, that's the way it should be. If the government doesn't monitor what the citizens are exposed to, and don't have any control over them, then problems arise.


no it isn't. the government does not exist to control it's citizens, anyone who tell you otherwise is a cowardly sheep.
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No matter what happens, you can ALWAYS get around the fucking censorship.
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The parents should be the censors not the government. I am a First Amendment purist. I believe there should be NO censorship in any form, unless it violates other parts of the Constitution or written law, i.e. child pron. Being a parent means monitoring what your kids see, if that means you have to take time out of your day to sit with them and watch TV or watch them surf the web, then so be it. Nothing should ever be censored.
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No matter what happens, you can ALWAYS get around the fucking censorship.


You think that's a good thing? Censorship is there for a purpose, so that our children don't grow up to be misguided. If you try to 'beat' censorship, all you're doing is fucking everything up.
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no it isn't. the government does not exist to control it's citizens, anyone who tell you otherwise is a cowardly sheep.


The truth!

The government is there to help the citizens. Not to control them.
#25
I believe censorship is ok when it comes to small children watching porn, executions, etc, but I am against it being used for anything else.
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#26
I think it makes no difference to society at all, i mean, just cause the teletubbies cant say shit its not going to stop little dickhead 6 year olds telling teachers to go suck there own dick.
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You think that's a good thing? Censorship is there for a purpose, so that our children don't grow up to be misguided. If you try to 'beat' censorship, all you're doing is fucking everything up.


Making sure children don't grow up misguided is what parents are for, the government should have no part in that.
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The truth!

The government is there to run the country in whatever way it deems fit.


/\ Fixed IMO. Seriously I think the government should lie to us in certain circumstances. Makes things much easier and gives paranoid people a conversation starter.
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I think it makes no difference to society at all, i mean, just cause the teletubbies cant say shit its not going to stop little dickhead 6 year olds telling teachers to go suck there own dick.


That's the worst argument I've ever heard in my life.

The point is, if you don't show children any acts of rebellion or answering back, (in a serious or frivolous context) then they won't do it.

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Making sure children don't grow up misguided is what parents are for, the government should have no part in that.


But parents can't do that. I know they should, but they don't, so someone else should.
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/\ Fixed IMO. Seriously I think the government should lie to us in certain circumstances. Makes things much easier and gives paranoid people a conversation starter.


umm no, facism is bad kids.
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You think that's a good thing? Censorship is there for a purpose, so that our children don't grow up to be misguided. If you try to 'beat' censorship, all you're doing is fucking everything up.


Obviously censorship is a good thing but where do you draw the line to when enough is enough? You can only limit a society so much.
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umm no, facism is bad kids.


Ok then, economy crisis is happening and alot of us are very worried and that in itself is causing problems. Wouldn't covering it up make it much easier for us all? There would be no loss of confidence in buyers and people wouldn't be panicing or commiting suicide (as people have done). My basic point is that in certain circumstances the full truth is very damaging and ignorance is bliss. Also do you think we should tell children about our fears or should we tell them everything is fine and let them be happy and innocent while they can?
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Well it stops people who are too young or whose parents don't wish for them to be exposed to profain language hearing inappropriate things. Some people thing it ruins their "Freedom of Speech" and think they should be allowed to express any opinion in anyway they want.


Anybody should be able to express their opinions, no matter what they are, but only if it's done in an intelligent manner. When it becomes profaine, or the person starts to act on their opinions, then it becomes an issue.

Ex. Someone who says "**** them <insert race here>" shouldn't be allowed to say that. But the person can simply say "I don't like <race> because reason a, b and c." and continue on with life. If they act out against those people, then the person is also crossing the line. Theres a difference between expressing one's opinion and attacking with one's opinion.
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Ok then, economy crisis is happening and alot of us are very worried and that in itself is causing problems. Wouldn't covering it up make it much easier for us all? There would be no loss of confidence in buyers and people wouldn't be panicing or commiting suicide (as people have done). My basic point is that in certain circumstances the full truth is very damaging and ignorance is bliss. Also do you think we should tell children about our fears or should we tell them everything is fine and let them be happy and innocent while they can?


no it wouldn't the markets can't function with that kind of censorship, no one would buy at all if they didn't know what was going on. If you tell everyone that everything is fine then no one will make an effort to fix it.
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Anybody should be able to express their opinions, no matter what they are, but only if it's done in an intelligent manner. When it becomes profaine, or the person starts to act on their opinions, then it becomes an issue.

Ex. Someone who says "**** them <insert race here>" shouldn't be allowed to say that. But the person can simply say "I don't like <race> because reason a, b and c." and continue on with life. If they act out against those people, then the person is also crossing the line. Theres a difference between expressing one's opinion and attacking with one's opinion.


That is a very good point.

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no it wouldn't the markets can't function with that kind of censorship, no one would buy at all if they didn't know what was going on. If you tell everyone that everything is fine then no one will make an effort to fix it.


But for a working class family (like my own and many other peoples) they aren't responsible for fixing these problems. If I hadn't been told about these problems from scaremongering news papers etc. then i'd have one less worry for the future and censorship would have benefited me.
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Think about it- full censorship will have to stay, but repression of free speech and action only needs to last for one generation- this means that the next generation grows up in a clean society without being exposed to violence or prejudice, and is therefore free of these problems.

The only problem with implementing something like this is the massive backlash that it would cause.
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Anybody should be able to express their opinions, no matter what they are, but only if it's done in an intelligent manner. When it becomes profaine, or the person starts to act on their opinions, then it becomes an issue.

Ex. Someone who says "**** them <insert race here>" shouldn't be allowed to say that. But the person can simply say "I don't like <race> because reason a, b and c." and continue on with life. If they act out against those people, then the person is also crossing the line. Theres a difference between expressing one's opinion and attacking with one's opinion.


But when saying you don't like a certain race, you would have to imply everyone in that race to be the same, which is generalizations, which shouldn't be a valid way to express an opinion. If it was against a single person and you listed reasons, then it's fine and dandy, but when you begin to generalize against an entire race, no matter what the points are, is a bad thing.
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But for a working class family (like my own and many other peoples) they aren't responsible for fixing these problems. If I hadn't been told about these problems from scaremongering news papers etc. then i'd have one less worry for the future and censorship would have benefited me.



They aren't directly responsible, but they are responsible for electing the people that have to fix it, so they need to know about it, that's how democracy works.

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Think about it- full censorship will have to stay, but repression of free speech and action only needs to last for one generation- this means that the next generation grows up in a clean society without being exposed to violence or prejudice, and is therefore free of these problems.

The only problem with implementing something like this is the massive backlash that it would cause.


That would never work, violence and prejudice are far too deeply ingrained into the human psyche. and the kind of totalitarianism you are suggesting has never helped anything.
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