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#1
Ok, Im a bedroom guitarist.

Would i need to crank a tube amp to the point where my parents would be mad at me to get a light crunch? I have no experience with tubes.

The thing is... Im looking to get an amp upgrade this year and im looking for my first tube amp. The problem is that i dont want my parents to be always bugging me about volume. And since most tube amp ive seen dont have a gain knob or a master volume (looking at tube amps under $300), im getting pretty dissappointed at the prospect of going back to my current SS amp (the one that comes with the squier package).

Please, make some suggestions as to what amps i should look at and tell me if i will even have to crank the tubes that much.

Thanks in advance
#2
You do without a master volume, unfortunately. Unless you have a tube amp that breaks up REALLY early, but you don't want that either, as it puts hardcore restrictions on your clean sound.

But a clean tube amp with a pedal so that you can distort at low volumes, would still be better than the squier packaged amp.
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#4
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what kind of music do you play?


Classic rock, British rock, blues, some metal. Mostly rock
#5
I don't know your music preferences but a SuperChamp is a great hybrid amp for $299 and can be played at lower volumes. Crates are on sales. Epi Valve maybe. Personally, I would look at used amps first to see what's around you....like craigslist.
#6
The good thing about the crates is that they have 3 band EQ and reverb. I cant imagine playing an amp without EQ knobs or reverb.

And thats the thing, i dont want to spend 300 dollars on a tube amp with only a volume knob. It makes me feel limited to what sounds i have access to.
#7
a small 5 watt tube should be able to breakup for blues and stuff without really pissing your parents off. Then throw a pedal in with it and you should be set to play some nice music at bedroom levels. try looking at the Epi Valve Jr. and maybe the Peavey Valveking Royal 8.
#8
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#9
Quote by ortrigger
a small 5 watt tube should be able to breakup for blues and stuff without really pissing your parents off. Then throw a pedal in with it and you should be set to play some nice music at bedroom levels. try looking at the Epi Valve Jr. and maybe the Peavey Valveking Royal 8.


Would you suggest a Crate V for me over those amps?
#10
^Maybe. I've heard pretty good things about them. If you get the chance then the best thing to do would be to go and play a bunch of small amps and decide which one you like best.
#11
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black heart little giant + a bad monkey


The black heart looks so sweet yet so out of range for me
#12
Quote by ortrigger
^Maybe. I've heard pretty good things about them. If you get the chance then the best thing to do would be to go and play a bunch of small amps and decide which one you like best.


Alrighty then. I have been thinking about getting a cheap tube amp sometime later and getting a POD this year. I was thinking that the POD could act as an effective preamp for a tube amp with only a volume knob. But people have been telling me that the tubes would colour my tone too much.

Would that work?
#13
check ebay, not really allowed to post links to it, but just look up "blackheart amp" they have some good deals.
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#14
Quote by Ghold125
check ebay, not really allowed to post links to it, but just look up "blackheart amp" they have some good deals.


lol... unfortunately, my parents arent too cool with buying online. Something about being prone to credit card abuse and identity theft...
#15
^The pod would work for effects and stuff. I'm not sure about using it as a preamp as every combo amp I've ever seen already had the preamp built into it.
#16
^ Well i dunno about the amps i've seen, but the cheapest tube combos i can find only have a single volume knob and the occasionaly tone knob.
#17
^in all reality that's all you need with a small amp. maybe try and find an EQ pedal to send your signal through.
#19
I have a crate V18 and its pretty badass, pretty frickin loud though. A crate V5 would only be a hundred bucks and that leaves money for a dist/OD pedal and an EQ, can't remember if the 5 watt has a 3 band EQ. Otherwise a V18 with a dist/OD pedal would be good.

I've heard great things about the Valve Jr. too though.

Def try out some amps and look for used ala craigslist.
#20
Quote by Luxifer
The black heart looks so sweet yet so out of range for me



A little giant head is $150... you aren't going to find a tube amp for cheaper.

I was looking at the Valve Jr for the longest time, but $150 plus maybe $200 in pedals, plus an attenuator, plus mods... I figured it was much smarter to just buy an Orange Tiny Terror
#22
Quote by forsaknazrael
^Really? Tiny Terrors are so expensive. Just a poor value in the states.



You can easily get one for $400. Thats what I paid for mine and I saw many others in the past week for $400.

They are hardly a poor value. The only other amp that can get such great tone at bedroom levels straight out of the box and still have enough grunt for small gigs is the Egnater Rebel 20.
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Quote by forsaknazrael
Well, you add in a decent 2x12" cab, and you're putting the price at 750. You're in the range of much better amps by then. That's how it's a poor value.

You can get a Tiny Terror and a brand new Avatar 2x12 with Vintage 30s for $700.

What better amp can you get for that price? Please don't tell me some Peavey POS
#25
Bedroom guitarist man theres tons of hybrid amps and solid state amps that sound awesome for bedroom levels and in my opinion better than tubes amps. Now, I love tube amps and I use quite a few of them. But when it comes to the bedroom I'd rather have a solid state anyday. You can have tons of gain at low volume and now they make some really good amps. Tube amps sound good loud. And low wattage tube amps just don't do it for me. Mostly because I'm a metal player.
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Quote by hcsn2008
Bedroom guitarist man theres tons of hybrid amps and solid state amps that sound awesome for bedroom levels and in my opinion better than tubes amps. Now, I love tube amps and I use quite a few of them. But when it comes to the bedroom I'd rather have a solid state anyday. You can have tons of gain at low volume and now they make some really good amps. Tube amps sound good loud. And low wattage tube amps just don't do it for me. Mostly because I'm a metal player.

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#27
blackheart little giant combo with a 100$ distortion pedal will be good for your bedroom

total for that should be around 300$
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#28
Quote by eurotrashed
You can get a Tiny Terror and a brand new Avatar 2x12 with Vintage 30s for $700.
Right....That's essentially the price I gave you.

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What better amp can you get for that price? Please don't tell me some Peavey POS

First off, Peavey's aren't POS amps.

I'm not that big a fan of the TT's overdrive, so I don't like the amp too much. The OD just doesn't do it for me. Just putting that out there.

All of these can be found for well under 700 USD:
Traynor YCV40WR
Traynor YCV50 Blue
Traynor YCV40T
Kustom Coupe
Sovtek Mig50H
Laney VC30
Laney AOR30
Laney AOR50
Line 6 Flextone III
Traynor YCV20
and so on and so on...
#29
why are you arguing about what the best amp for 700 dollar is when the TS have a budget of 300 ?
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#30
Quote by forsaknazrael
Right....That's essentially the price I gave you.


First off, Peavey's aren't POS amps.

I'm not that big a fan of the TT's overdrive, so I don't like the amp too much. The OD just doesn't do it for me. Just putting that out there.

All of these can be found for well under 700 USD:
Traynor YCV40WR
Traynor YCV50 Blue
Traynor YCV40T
Kustom Coupe
Sovtek Mig50H
Laney VC30
Laney AOR30
Laney AOR50
Line 6 Flextone III
Traynor YCV20
and so on and so on...


AOR is fizzy and unreliable, I used to have an AOR100. Kustom is pretty mediocre in all ways, all Line 6s are digital sounding, Traynors aren't too bad.
Peaveys all have crappy speakers, I looked at the Windsor Studio and by the time I got that to my liking i would have to spend $200 ontop of the amp.

I was just going to get a Valve Jr or Blackheart because my budget originally was $300-$350. Then I realized this:

Used Valve Jr Half stack; $200
Bitmo Treo mod :$50 to try and get some versatility out of the amp
Bitmo 10-uator because with just a volume knob, the amp has to be cranked for good gain: $60
Fulltone OCD pedal to get the gain up a bit more :$150
and I got a total of: $460 + with other little mods to the amp

I tried out a Tiny Terror and with just the three knobs I was able to tweak any sound out of the amp. So I got a Tiny Terror with an extra set of tubes for $400. Ordering an Avatar G112 Traditional cab with a Vintage 30 that is lightyears better than the epi cab for $200. So for $600 I found the cheapest way to get a british voiced, tube amp that sounds awesome at bedroom levels and good enough for a small gig. I realized to get a tube amp that I would be happy with I would have to spend the extra money, because cutting corners does not get good tone.
#31
get any decent tube amp, and Electro harmonix have recently released a passive attentuator, meaning that you can crank the amp to your desired ammount of crunch, and use the attentuator to lower the volume
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#32
I was going to do that back when I had an apartment and I asked quite a few people and was told the attentuator would make it lower but it would still be really loud. So, I didn't try it. Now I got a house so it doesn't matter. I don't play my tube amps for practice though. Just practice with the band. But bymyself I use a solid state practice amp and like it better. Because my tube amps sound good when they are loud and sometimes I want to play without it being so loud.
#33
For higher gain tones, most of it is preamp gain anyways so unless you're looking for nice harmonic richness or a cranked amp tone, you don't need to play the amp loud.

If that kind of stuff bugs you, you could always get a low wattage tube amp.
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#34
Quote by eurotrashed
AOR is fizzy and unreliable, I used to have an AOR100. Kustom is pretty mediocre in all ways, all Line 6s are digital sounding, Traynors aren't too bad.
Peaveys all have crappy speakers, I looked at the Windsor Studio and by the time I got that to my liking i would have to spend $200 ontop of the amp.

AOR - Not true. A lot of people who have used them and "had problems" just needed new tubes.
Kustom - You haven't tried the Coupe. Don't make blanket statements.
Traynors - Actually, they're quite good. Some of best amps in their price range.
Peaveys - While I won't disagree, A LOT of companies have bad speakers stock in their amps, dude.
Line 6 - No, the Flextone and Vetta re quite good. Again, you're making a blanket statement.
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Quote by forsaknazrael
AOR - Not true. A lot of people who have used them and "had problems" just needed new tubes.
Kustom - You haven't tried the Coupe. Don't make blanket statements.
Traynors - Actually, they're quite good. Some of best amps in their price range.
Peaveys - While I won't disagree, A LOT of companies have bad speakers stock in their amps, dude.
Line 6 - No, the Flextone and Vetta re quite good. Again, you're making a blanket statement.


My AOR had a blown OT and are notoriously unreliable. OTs are crap in most Laneys. That combined that they are fizzy if they are unmodded is why you can get a 100 watt tube head for $300. Mod them a bit and they are a bit like a JCM800

I've tried afew Kustoms, they are what they are, cheap amps with tubes.

Peaveys are notorious for using cheaper speakers. When the Windsor Studio came out everyone got all excited until they realized that the stock speaker is really harsh and kills all tone. I was never impressed with the Classic 30 or anything either. A Fender tube amp is a better choice. Any amp company that is known for bad speakers, is a lower end amp. When you start getting into lower end quality amps you start seeing Celestions

I've heard every Line 6 there is, there is no replacement for tubes.

But if you want a good tube amp at a reasonable price that you don't have to mod tosound good there is the Tiny Terror, Egnater Rebel 20, Fender Blues Jr if you don't need that much gain or if you have an overdrive pedal to get you enough gain, same with the Blackhearts, or maybe a Traynor
#36
i've got a palomino v16 and a vintage tube screamer for low volumes. and when playing with a band, at a little over 12 o'clock, its already over the drummer.
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#38
i think the valve junior, or the other non-master volume 5 watt tube amps, is going to be way too loud. just throwing it out there.
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#39
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I've tried afew Kustoms, they are what they are, cheap amps with tubes.

But have you tried the Coupe? If you haven't then you're just making another blanket statement. It's a good American voiced amp.

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My AOR had a blown OT and are notoriously unreliable. OTs are crap in most Laneys. That combined that they are fizzy if they are unmodded is why you can get a 100 watt tube head for $300. Mod them a bit and they are a bit like a JCM800

I'm talking about the combos. Several users on UG have 'em, and are satisfied. They're good amps.
Also, i forgot to mention the VC30. That's another good Laney.

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Peaveys are notorious for using cheaper speakers. When the Windsor Studio came out everyone got all excited until they realized that the stock speaker is really harsh and kills all tone. I was never impressed with the Classic 30 or anything either. A Fender tube amp is a better choice. Any amp company that is known for bad speakers, is a lower end amp. When you start getting into lower end quality amps you start seeing Celestions

AGAIN, EVERYONE uses cheap speakers. Everyone. Fender, Marshall, EVERYONE.
And Windsor Studio is just crap in general.

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I've heard every Line 6 there is, there is no replacement for tubes.

Yeah, okay. Somehow I don't think you've heard the Flextone, Vetta, or Vetta II. The Vettas are actually really accurate.


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But if you want a good tube amp at a reasonable price that you don't have to mod tosound good there is the Tiny Terror, Egnater Rebel 20, Fender Blues Jr if you don't need that much gain or if you have an overdrive pedal to get you enough gain, same with the Blackhearts, or maybe a Traynor

IMO:
Tiny Terror - Didn't like the OD
Egnater Rebel - Switching between EL84 and 6V6 is useless, they're very similar sounding tubes, when overdriven.
Blues Junior - Nice, but too American for me.
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Quote by forsaknazrael
But have you tried the Coupe? If you haven't then you're just making another blanket statement. It's a good American voiced amp.


agreed. if he tried it and didn't like it, that's fair enough, but i certainly thought the one i tried was pretty nice.
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