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#1
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

Scientists at the Karolinska Institute studied brain scans of 90 gay and straight men and women, and found that the size of the two symmetrical halves of the brains of gay men more closely resembled those of straight women than they did straight men. In heterosexual women, the two halves of the brain are more or less the same size. In heterosexual men, the right hemisphere is slightly larger. Scans of the brains of gay men in the study, however, showed that their hemispheres were relatively symmetrical, like those of straight women, while the brains of homosexual women were asymmetrical like those of straight men. The number of nerves connecting the two sides of the brains of gay men were also more like the number in heterosexual women than in straight men.


in a nutshell: gay men and straight women have symmetrical brains (right size same as left). straight men and gay women have have asymmetrical brains (different sized).

interesting.

genetic causes may be possible. genes that cause enzymes for the function of certain sides of the brain may be functioning differently and cause the brain to be homosexual/heterosexual in development, etc.

discuss.
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#2
So what does it make bisexuals, transgenders, transexuals, transvestites, panexuals, omnisexuals ETC....
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#4
I read through that the other day. There have also been similar studies with specific parts of the brain, like the hippocampus and cerebellum and whatnot, that came up with the same results: Gay peoples' brains resemble the normal brains of the opposite sex.
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So what does it make bisexuals, transgenders, transexuals, transvestites, panexuals, omnisexuals ETC....

there's probably more to what's actually inside the brain, other than just the brain size, that determines this trait (if we'll call it that for argument's sake). probably certain nucleotide/amino acid chains determine the alleles and maybe some of them are missing or undergo some translocation in meiosis or something to make a different phenotype--bisexual, etc.

transgender has to do with the sex chromosome. a male could have XXY chromosomes to make a very feminine male, or a male could have XYY to make a more masculine male (i'm generalizing a ton, but that's pretty much it).
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#6
Watch the gay community complain about society trying to "fix" them now.
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transgender has to do with the sex chromosome. a male could have XXY chromosomes to make a very feminine male, or a male could have XYY to make a more masculine male (i'm generalizing a ton, but that's pretty much it).

There are syndromes for XXY (commonly Klinefelter's syndrome), XYY, and XXYY genotypes occurring from birth. If I remember correctly, their main effects on the brain deal with learning and speech disorders, but I don't know too much about them.
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Watch the gay community complain about society trying to "fix" them now.


Watch biggots complain about the gay community...Oh wait! We just saw that!
#10
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Watch biggots complain about the gay community...Oh wait! We just saw that!


I think he meant that now that the reason(perhaps for the 10th time) is figured out, it's unfixable, so you cant "fix" gay people.


BTW:

I still dont understand, where do bisexuals come into place here?
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#11
Quote by SAINTJIMMY9999
Watch the gay community complain about society trying to "fix" them now.


Society, religion, and even select medical institutions have been trying to "fix" gays since the dawn of time.

And trust me they have much bigger problems to worry about.
#12
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I think he meant that now that the reason(perhaps for the 10th time) is figured out, it's unfixable, so you cant "fix" gay people.


BTW:

I still dont understand, where do bisexuals come into place here?


But what you're now stating is that its something that is unfixable, as though its something wrong.

Nothing wrong with gay people in my book. They are people like the rest of us. Nothing to be fixed.
#13
I think it's probably from birth, a gay man's brain just doesn't change all the way into a "man's" brain, thus strengthening the idea that you can't choose to be gay, you're born that way.
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But what you're now stating is that its something that is unfixable, as though its something wrong.

Nothing wrong with gay people in my book. They are people like the rest of us. Nothing to be fixed.


It did sound like that?

CRAP!
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#15
So does this explain why Fred and Barney had a gay old time.
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#16
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But what you're now stating is that its something that is unfixable, as though its something wrong.

Nothing wrong with gay people in my book. They are people like the rest of us. Nothing to be fixed.


Well, I'm thinking he meant that the gay community would TAKE it that way, not that he thought there was actually something wrong with them.

If you've been watching the news, or reading the paper, they're basically acting ****in facist to get what they want.

I'm all for equality and ****, but dont shove your beliefs down my throat.

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Well, I'm thinking he meant that the gay community would TAKE it that way, not that he thought there was actually something wrong with them.

If you've been watching the news, or reading the paper, they're basically acting ****in facist to get what they want.

I'm all for equality and ****, but dont shove your beliefs down my throat.


Blacks did the same thing. Women did the same thing.

Gays have the right to marriage. It isn't a belief thing. Its a law thing. The Supreme Court already overruled "separate but equal" and that what civil unions are. Even if the benefits are exactly the same, it isn't. Its a place down. It is saying gays are not worthy of the rest of us. That they are different, thus not equal.

All men are created equal. Thats straight or gay.
#18
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I think it's probably from birth, a gay man's brain just doesn't change all the way into a "man's" brain, thus strengthening the idea that you can't choose to be gay, you're born that way.


Dude, being gay doesn't make you any less of a man.
It's not an issue of gender here, or whose a real man or whose not. It's about sexual orientation in which is by far a completely different issue.

Quote by valennic
Well, I'm thinking he meant that the gay community would TAKE it that way, not that he thought there was actually something wrong with them.

If you've been watching the news, or reading the paper, they're basically acting ****in facist to get what they want.

I'm all for equality and ****, but dont shove your beliefs down my throat.


In what way are they shoving their beliefs down your throat?

God that's gotta be the most **** argument in the book. Do you not realize the amount of hypocrisy that comes with that statement alone?

Major religious institutions backed the "Yes on 8" campaign, and if anyone is forcing their beliefs on anyone else, it's them.

And you clearly don't understand fascism.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but don't shove your ignorant claims down my throat.
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#19
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Blacks did the same thing. Women did the same thing.

Gays have the right to marriage. It isn't a belief thing. Its a law thing. The Supreme Court already overruled "separate but equal" and that what civil unions are. Even if the benefits are exactly the same, it isn't. Its a place down. It is saying gays are not worthy of the rest of us. That they are different, thus not equal.

All men are created equal. Thats straight or gay.

Gays killed my family, therefore they should have no rights
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Quote by TunerAddict
Blacks did the same thing. Women did the same thing.

Gays have the right to marriage. It isn't a belief thing. Its a law thing. The Supreme Court already overruled "separate but equal" and that what civil unions are. Even if the benefits are exactly the same, it isn't. Its a place down. It is saying gays are not worthy of the rest of us. That they are different, thus not equal.

All men are created equal. Thats straight or gay.


Yes, and they both still play that same card in court cases and in public.

The supreme court shouldnt have done that, noted, but, the ones that are absolutely hysterical over prop 8 obviously never read the damn thing. I'm all for allowing gay marriage, but NOT with the subsequent consequences that came with that law.

And yes, I already stated I believed that, didnt I?

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#21
Interesting. I guess it's not just the hippocampus and the corpus whatchacalit that are the same in gay men as straight women.
#22
Maybe the brain just develops that way because of the way the person thinks and lives their life, instead of being like that initially.
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#23
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Maybe the brain just develops that way because of the way the person thinks and lives their life, instead of being like that initially.

The yin yang symbol makes more sense when it is spinning.

And I like the way you think.
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#24
Ugh...please. It's interesting if true, but the notion that the media is scientifically literate enough to accurately report the findings of this or any study is ridiculous.
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#25
Personally, I thought homosexuality was characterized by a preference, or lack thereof, for dick.
Is it a bad thing if one of your testicles is larger then the other two?
#26
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Personally, I thought homosexuality was characterized by a preference, or lack thereof, for dick.


The mind is an emergent property of brain activity. This includes one's preferences.
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#27
I know...I should have realized reading sarcasm or subtle emotion can be difficult through text alone, perhaps by adding a "" this would have remedied this.
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#28
Nice, hopefully this gives the wackos believing that homosexuality is a choice something to think about.
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#29
If gay men have the same brains as women, why do no women ever do anal?
#30
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If gay men have the same brains as women, why do no women ever do anal?


Same size, which doesn't necessarily mean the same mind.
Considering the fact that gay men are limited to anal and oral, and women aren't, I'll assume that's why.
#31
Quote by x_thurston_x
Dude, being gay doesn't make you any less of a man.
It's not an issue of gender here, or whose a real man or whose not. It's about sexual orientation in which is by far a completely different issue.


In what way are they shoving their beliefs down your throat?

God that's gotta be the most **** argument in the book. Do you not realize the amount of hypocrisy that comes with that statement alone?

Major religious institutions backed the "Yes on 8" campaign, and if anyone is forcing their beliefs on anyone else, it's them.

And you clearly don't understand fascism.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but don't shove your ignorant claims down my throat.



Fascism is simply using militant means to further your political goals.

I'd say their have been plenty of instances where this has been the case during the prop. 8 campaign. I mean a church that openly agreed with Prop. 8 got burned down the day Prop 8 passed.

If thats not militant (in other words, fascist) then what is? Its certainly similar to what Italy was doing post-World War I.
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#32
Here's another interesting question: people with mental disorders can undergo certain procedures so they act "more like themselves". Examples include Bi-polar people taking lithium.

If scientists ever find the "gay gene" or what makes a person gay, then should gays go along with it? And if they decide not to "become straight", then would that mean that homosexuality is a choice?

Penny for your thoughts.
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#33
Just another attempt by the liberal media to enforce the idea that being a homosexual is acceptable..
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So what does it make bisexuals, transgenders, transexuals, transvestites, panexuals, omnisexuals ETC....

I'm still waiting for that study.
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Just another attempt by the liberal media to enforce the idea that being a homosexual is acceptable..


Being a homosexual IS acceptable, no matter what the media says, be it liberal or conservative.
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#37
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Just another attempt by the liberal media to enforce the idea that being a homosexual is acceptable..


What's wrong with that? It is.
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#38
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Being a homosexual IS acceptable, no matter what the media says, be it liberal or conservative.

Lol, you took me seriously.

This is a pretty cool article. It's just more evidence that it is biological, not that it wasn't obvious enough.
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Quote by SAINTJIMMY9999
Here's another interesting question: people with mental disorders can undergo certain procedures so they act "more like themselves". Examples include Bi-polar people taking lithium.

If scientists ever find the "gay gene" or what makes a person gay, then should gays go along with it? And if they decide not to "become straight", then would that mean that homosexuality is a choice?

Penny for your thoughts.

They did not chose to be gay, but they can chose not to be straight, in the sense to not alter their genes which is reprogramming their persona.

That's like saying just because you CAN kill yourself, living is a choice.
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#40

That's like saying just because you CAN kill yourself, living is a choice.

Your logic doesn't make sense. It is a choice to live, because you can choose to end it if you want to. Homosexuals can choose to have heterosexual sex, but they can't change their attraction.
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