#1
These threads have been made before, but this topic is starting to sprout up in other threads due to someone's ill-concieved sig. This thread, then, is an attempt to keep other threads from being sidtracked.

Here's my attempt to settle the argument once and for all:

"Soul" is not the opposite of technique. Pouring your heart out into music requires the ability to make your instrument sound like you want it to sound. This ability is called technique or skill. Segovia, Reinhardt, Hendrix, and Morello all manage to put lots of "feeling" into their playing, not because they have stronger feelings than other people but because their skill at playing their instruments enables them to express themselves more freely with their music.

In short, more skill = less thinking and less effort = more "feeling".

The problem with this is that a lot of people (especially on this board) have a very narrow definition of "technique". Eric Clapton and Esteban play the guitar two different ways, but they have both devoted their lives to perfecting their technique and have both studied extensively under masters of their art. No, one can't handle the counterpoint of "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring", and no, the other can't make a blues scale cry like a baby without a whammy bar or a wah-wah, but they've both clearly got oodles of technique.
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#2
Sounds about right.
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#3
Jesus...

Why this ''VS'' ?

Why not be good at both ? Why CAN'T you be both ?
#4
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Jesus...

Why this ''VS'' ?

Why not be good at both ? Why CAN'T you be both ?

This is what I'm saying.
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Jesus...

Why this ''VS'' ?

Why not be good at both ? Why CAN'T you be both ?


That when it is the best
for example JFroo
#7
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Jesus...

Why this ''VS'' ?

Why not be good at both ? Why CAN'T you be both ?

I think he said that one creates the other. So it's both.
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#8
You do realize that this has been gone over time and again right?

This won't change anyone's mind, just like it hasn't in the past.
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#10
I don't expect to change anyone's mind. But I hope at least to keep this hackneyed argument from derailing other threads.
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I don't expect to change anyone's mind. But I hope at least to keep this hackneyed argument from derailing other threads.


Good luck man, I wish such a thing were possible.
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#12
I think alot of times people confuse "emotion" or "feeling" with good phrasing and creativity. it definantly is possible to be technically very skilled but lack in the creativity
#13
It's quite simple in my opinion: people who don't have good technique or the ambition or patience to develop it, are simply jealous and want to bring those who do have good technique to their level. You'll notice this in someone who says stuff like "oh, [good guitarist] plays fast / accurately / cleanly /etc, but his music doesn't have emotion" or something similar.
#14
Good explanation. Indeed, very good explanation.

But all those carefully picked arguments can and will be ignored on an internet forum.


EDIT:
I'd like to add to something to the OP:
Sadness is not the only emotion there is. There is also joy, excitement, anger and many others that can be expressed through music. A metal song that makes you all pumped-up is just as emotional as a heart tearing ballad, a fun tune that makes you want to dance is just as emotional as a good blues solo.
People tend to ignore this.
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Perfection FTW. Feelings are for girls.




Seriously though, all this thread is going to do is attract the anti-shred fag militias who absolutely lack the capacity to ATLEAST acknowledge the skill, dedication and passion for instrument it takes to get to that level.
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It's quite simple in my opinion: people who don't have good technique or the ambition or patience to develop it, are simply jealous and want to bring those who do have good technique to their level. You'll notice this in someone who says stuff like "oh, [good guitarist] plays fast / accurately / cleanly /etc, but his music doesn't have emotion" or something similar.


Not always, in my experience people more often than not actually feel that way and there is nothing you can do to change their minds.
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#17
Nice job, but nobody really cares. =/ This won't solve ****.
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#18
i'm so tired of this crap, everyone knows that anything more complicated than a three chord pop progression is completely incapable of expressing any sort of feeling.
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It's quite simple in my opinion: people who don't have good technique or the ambition or patience to develop it, are simply jealous and want to bring those who do have good technique to their level. You'll notice this in someone who says stuff like "oh, [good guitarist] plays fast / accurately / cleanly /etc, but his music doesn't have emotion" or something similar.


I don't think that's always the case. It's sometimes the case, but there is plenty of HAY GUISE LOOK HOW FAST I CAN PLAY music out there that's just boring as all hell.
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#20
is jesu, joy of mans desiring not leo kottke... he did it first i think
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#21
I think the entire "feeling vs. emotion" argument is fueled by people who think they need a good reason not to like a song. Or by elitists who don't know what they're talking about (myself included).
#22
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but this thread has been done four hundred thousand times and goes nowhere.

Drag up the last one if you're that bothered.
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