#1
Would they be considered 'emo'? The term or a similar term didn't exist in the early 90s.
#2
I think a lot of grunge would be considered Emo, depends on how you classify it.
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#3
No, emo is not any sad music. I hate people who think anything sad is emo, look at Nirvana, they weren't emo.
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#4
Same could be said about silverchair and nirvana
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No, emo is not any sad music. I hate people who think anything sad is emo, look at Nirvana, they weren't emo.


This is true, if you went by some peoples definition "all sad/angsty rock music is emo" then bands like Alice in Chains would be emo as well.
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#6
No, emo music existed even before the smashing pumpkins and they weren't labeled emo back then so there's no reason why they should be now.
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This is true, if you went by some peoples definition "all sad/angsty rock music is emo" then bands like Alice in Chains would be emo as well.


And some of Black Sabbath, and some of Pink Floyd.
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#8
This all being said (and I agree with it all), the bands mentioned would probably be considered emo if they were to be formed in our day.
#9
the use of emo, is plainly stupid "emotional music", all music would be emo, art is created by emotions... we're not machines making music.

on the otherside, i wouldn't consider nirvana or the smashing pumpkins emo... mainly because of the looks, and their ideas
#10
If they were formed today, they would be called emo. As would every grunge band, Alice In Chains (I call them metal) and plenty of other rock bands. These days, it seems if they have a guitar and sing about your life rather than getting stoned, it's emo.
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#11
see, every band is an emo band because all songs talk about emotions
so extream anger(slayer and all those metal bands)and extream sadness("emo" bands)
are all emo
so everything is emo!
#12
**** if you went by the term EMO which is short for emotion. Every bit of music on the planet is Emo. and if you say your music isnt EMO in that sense, Its obviously going to be very ****ty, Just crappy music thrown together to impress id assume?
Because all music is writtin by emotion. Whether its Sadness, Anger, Hatred, Depression, Happiness. Whatever it is.
(btw no i dont actually like emo music i just like saying this :P It makes sense no?)


And No Like Godsmack said,
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No, emo music existed even before the smashing pumpkins and they weren't labeled emo back then so there's no reason why they should be now.

The Idea of Emo Was very much around Pre SP time.
so Definately not.

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see, every band is an emo band because all songs talk about emotions
so extream anger(slayer and all those metal bands)and extream sadness("emo" bands)
are all emo
so everything is emo!


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the use of emo, is plainly stupid "emotional music", all music would be emo, art is created by emotions... we're not machines making music.



but emo in this context doesn't actually stand for "emotional music" it stands for "emotional hardcore" apparently some idiots somewhere along the line forgot about the hardcore part.
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But back then, emo was an underground term. Now it's become so widespread...labelling bands emo is like modern day witch hunting. Hell, people have even tried to convince me Disturbed are emo.
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#15
that's why I ignore anyone who talks about emo, unless they have tight jeans, a really ugly sweater and a bowl haircut, then they might know what they are talking about.
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#16
Music is more defined by the actual music not the lyrics. I haven't heard a legit emo song so I don't think grunge would be considered it except by the dumbass cunts who have no idea what they are talking about.
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Music is more defined by the actual music not the lyrics. I haven't heard a legit emo song so I don't think grunge would be considered it except by the dumbass cunts who have no idea what they are talking about.


actually, emo pretty much is defined by the lyrics, they used a separate term to distinguish themselves from the majority of hardcore acts that sang mostly about political and social topics, and then it became it's own scene, sort of like how people distinguish between NSBM and mainstream Black Metal.
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#18
I'm sick of people saying that all music is emo because all music has emotion. That's like saying everything that is happy is gay. the meaning of the word has changed. get over it. languages evolve, in ten years it will mean something completely different.


but TS, I don't think so. I think that people would call them emo but people call everything emo nowadays.

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#19
No, the difference between the Smashing Pumpkins and emo is musicianship, lyricism and talent.

SP have all 3, emo bands have none of the above.
#20
There are a lot of similarities between alternative and post-grunge and second-wave emo bands, and there are a few bands that could be labelled either way. But Smashing Pumpkins was alt rock, and if they released the same music right now instead of back then, they'd still be alt rock.

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that's why I ignore anyone who talks about emo, unless they have tight jeans, a really ugly sweater and a bowl haircut, then they might know what they are talking about.

Emo kids never know what the **** real emo music is.

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Music is more defined by the actual music not the lyrics. I haven't heard a legit emo song so I don't think grunge would be considered it except by the dumbass cunts who have no idea what they are talking about.

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No, the difference between the Smashing Pumpkins and emo is musicianship, lyricism and talent.

SP have all 3, emo bands have none of the above.

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Emo kids never know what the **** real emo music is.




most emo kids I've met do (i'm talking about real emo kids and not the little hot topic brats that are often called emo kids today)
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Then you're lucky to have met such knowledgeable individuals
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#25
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Using that logic, The Smiths would be too.



definately they would be kings. thinking of that..i cant think of any british emo bands.
#26
i dont get the whole thing about having to put every band into a genre. it doesnt really matter what you call them, they are what they are.
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i dont get the whole thing about having to put every band into a genre. it doesnt really matter what you call them, they are what they are.


true, but it's a good way to find bands similar to ones you like. IT's really just sort of a universal way to describe bands, unfortunately people get way to caught up in it.
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i dont get the whole thing about having to put every band into a genre. it doesnt really matter what you call them, they are what they are.



i was just thinking about how musical culture has changed..in that the lines between musical genres have blurred...a lot of the time for corporate reasons. i was like 'oh what happened to alt rock, i forgot about that!'
#29
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I'm sick of people saying that all music is emo because all music has emotion. That's like saying everything that is happy is gay. the meaning of the word has changed. get over it. languages evolve, in ten years it will mean something completely different.


but TS, I don't think so. I think that people would call them emo but people call everything emo nowadays.


Don't see what you're getting at here.
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I'm sick of people saying that all music is emo because all music has emotion. That's like saying everything that is happy is gay. the meaning of the word has changed. get over it. languages evolve, in ten years it will mean something completely different.


but TS, I don't think so. I think that people would call them emo but people call everything emo nowadays.


Ya... That argument makes no sense. because an intelligent person knows the word Gay means happy. we don't always associate it to homosexuality. and to Literally say everything that is happy is ""Happy"" than that would be a correct statement. And just because the language "evolves" doesn't mean were all ignorant assholes who cant retain some information from the past English Language. whether it be by ear, a book, or wherever they may have gotten the information from.
and the get over it thing, your telling us to basically ignore the past, the word may have a new meaning but that doesn't mean the old meaning just disappeared into thin air.
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#31
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true, but it's a good way to find bands similar to ones you like. IT's really just sort of a universal way to describe bands, unfortunately people get way to caught up in it.

yea, its taking it way too far when people hate on genres across the board. you have to take it on a band by band basis if you really want to hear new music. although i do have a few prejudices of my own.

genre classing is racism for music, and you can quote me on that.
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yea, its taking it way too far when people hate on genres across the board. you have to take it on a band by band basis if you really want to hear new music. although i do have a few prejudices of my own.

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#33
No, they'll be called Alternative Rock. To be honest, half the 'emo' bands of today wouldn't sound like they do if it weren't for SP.

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#34
No, they would still be considered shit.
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#35
Discussions like this typically come down to a vast misunderstanding of what emo music actually is.
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Using that logic, The Smiths would be too.


Amen. The Cure probably would be too.
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#37
Depends upon your definiton of emo like everyone has said. If your musically knowledgable you'll know and appreciate its not just 'emotional music' hence making everything emo like some have suggested

that's nothing short of a retarded view. Its short for emotional hardcore and was around in the early nineties for god sake.

Smashing pumpkins are by no means emo though modern day 'emos' would probably say they were, but that's cos of tainted views upon what emo actually is....
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#38
If the Pumpkins started a few years later, I'd say they had emo influences.

Maybe they do? I don't know much about them.
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