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I am getting pissed of at people saying that bands sell out by sounding more mainstream. I mean, if you truly like the band, you will like all their music.

The excuse of "becoming mainstream" is retarted. I mean, all that it means is that is it a great song that everyone, including people who wouldn't have like the band, likes.


Selling out, bull****. it is an evolution. Don't label it as mainstream.
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Selling out - Becomming mainstream for attention
Spreading/changing style, on the other hand, is totally normal for musicians.
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There's a difference between making music for the art and making music for the paycheck.

But just because a song is popular doesn't mean it was solely for the money, I think people are using it as an excuse to seem superior because they no longer enjoy a band that everyone else does.

"Sorry, I don't listen to that mainstream crap anymore. I knew them when they were nothing. They used to be cool. Not anymore."

Now that is bullshit. But there are situations obviously where a band tweaks their sound for commercial appeal. It's been done.

Older bands do it all the time to gain popularity with a new generation.
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theres a difference between changing cuz u think it is the best choice musicaly , and changing so that u will get 1 000 000 more album sales

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If a band changes themselves just to be popular, **** 'em.



Well obviously they are doing something right if they become popular, and they like the music. Just because a band changes to become popular doesn't mean they aren't true to what they are changing to. You have to understand that music is a business too, records, labels do it to make money, they need bands to sign, they take a band they like and mold it into an image they see. I really don't believe in selling out, unless you sign to something like Disney to sing to girls 13 years of age. Theres nothing wrong with making popular music and simple but catchy music, you just have to be into it and lots of people leave bands because they arent into it and lots stay in the bands because they are into it. Who cares if they are popular anyways? If you like the music they change into then good for you, it's not about them changing or not, it's about the music they write. if you aren't in the music they could care less, they don't need you; they write popular music and have more fans than you'll ever imagine.

Another thing is, honestly I think bands could care less about how their fans change, as long as you have people supporting the music you play, then that's all the motivation they need. they don't get to know each fan individually, which is why it doesn't matter to them if their fanbase changes because their musical style changed. people change, and music changes, and people sign to record companies, it's as simple as that, just because they have a producer helping them out does NOT mean they aren't talented and it stops becoming an art.
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#10
I think what pisses people off more is when the band abondons (sp?) its fans and their old style of music, just so they can play a style that will sell more copies. It's called sticking to your roots. If you take a look at bands that have remained popular over the years, you'll see that they usually haven't changed their ways much, if at all.
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I always thought selling out just meant changing your image/sound when you don't want to so you can make more money...
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I am getting pissed of at people saying that bands sell out by sounding more mainstream. I mean, if you truly like the band, you will like all their music.

The excuse of "becoming mainstream" is retarted. I mean, all that it means is that is it a great song that everyone, including people who wouldn't have like the band, likes.


Selling out, bull****. it is an evolution. Don't label it as mainstream.

Not really. I love UnderOATH, but I can't stand anything with Spencer in it. I don't have to like all of the band's material to be a fan.
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#13
You guys misinterpreted me.

I mean when a band naturally starts maturing and makes songs that are more popular than previous material.
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I am getting pissed of at people saying that bands sell out by sounding more mainstream. I mean, if you truly like the band, you will like all their music.

The excuse of "becoming mainstream" is retarted. I mean, all that it means is that is it a great song that everyone, including people who wouldn't have like the band, likes.


Selling out, bull****. it is an evolution. Don't label it as mainstream.


Yep. I honestly don't give a shit. As long as i like the music i couldnt care less how popular they are.
#16
Changing your music a bit is fine but when you completley change just to be popular thats when your labeled as a sell out. You can be popular and still stay true to your roots you just have to try harder and not take the easy way out.
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You guys misinterpreted me.

I mean when a band naturally starts maturing and makes songs that are more popular than previous material.

Well, of course.

People who dislike a band just because they're getting more exposure are stupid and elitist.
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Not really. I love UnderOATH, but I can't stand anything with Spencer in it. I don't have to like all of the band's material to be a fan.


Well in cases where a band changes members, yeah. That is a huge change. Look at Guns and Roses. Big change when Izzy and Slash left. All the material that Izzy wrote went bye bye.
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Well in cases where a band changes members, yeah. That is a huge change. Look at Guns and Roses. Big change when Izzy and Slash left. All the material that Izzy wrote went bye bye.


Actually Dont Cry was written by slash and izzy in the late 80's while they were still working on AFD

EDIT: Back off bitch was originally written by Hollywood Rose but im not sure if izzy was in the band when it was written
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imagine that? a musician actually wanting to get rich and famous?!

holy **** thats impossible!!!
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#23
IF they try to become more mainstream and the music kicks ass still, why would you not listen to it? just because it sounds more mainstream isn't a reason to listen to a band. On most CD reviews on here, all i see is people whining about how a band used to be good, and how people wished they would go back to the old stuff. And i ain't jsut talking about metallica.
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IF they try to become more mainstream and the music kicks ass still, why would you not listen to it? just because it sounds more mainstream isn't a reason to listen to a band. On most CD reviews on here, all i see is people whining about how a band used to be good, and how people wished they would go back to the old stuff. And i ain't jsut talking about metallica.


That is what sparked me to do that. I hate when people say "They are selling out: and things like that. Music is a constant revolution and is always changing.

Oh and by the way, musicians make money off their music. They live off their songs. Wouldn't they want to be making better songs that more people would like?
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That is what sparked me to do that. I hate when people say "They are selling out: and things like that. Music is a constant revolution and is always changing.

Oh and by the way, musicians make money off their music. They live off their songs. Wouldn't they want to be making better songs that more people would like?


Making better songs is fine but when you go and completley ignore your roots thats when people yell sellout.
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Making better songs is fine but when you go and completley ignore your roots thats when people yell sellout.



And people change all the time you just have to accept that a band or producer might want a different sound for the next album.
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Making better songs is fine but when you go and completley ignore your roots thats when people yell sellout.


Well yeah, always stay true to your roots. I mean, as time goes on, you are bound to get new sounds and styles. A band that kept the same sound would be dull and boring. While keeping their roots, altering their sound a little from album to album, then that is just amazing

Selling out...yeah it pisses me off. But when people are falsely accusing some band of selling out pisses me off.
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And people change all the time you just have to accept that a band or producer might want a different sound for the next album.


Yeah but I firmly believe that you can be rich and famous and still play the same music but better refined by a producer. Look at a band like pantera. They played basically the same music their whole career and they made ****tons of money off of it.
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lostprophets were massive sellouts. They used to be a great band, and Fake sound of Progress is one of my favourite albums, now they're churning out that emo ****.
#31
There's nothing wrong with getting a little mainstream attention for your hard work and perserverance.

However, playing what is mainstream just for a quick dollar is BS.
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Yeah but I firmly believe that you can be rich and famous and still play the same music but better refined by a producer. Look at a band like pantera. They played basically the same music their whole career and they made ****tons of money off of it.

Yeah but..........


......pantera has always sucked
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lostprophets were massive sellouts. They used to be a great band, and Fake sound of Progress is one of my favourite albums, now they're churning out that emo ****.



I noticed that when I starting seeing them on TV again I was like, yeah Last Train Ho- wait, wtf is this?
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lostprophets were massive sellouts. They used to be a great band, and Fake sound of Progress is one of my favourite albums, now they're churning out that emo ****.

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Yeah but..........


......pantera has always sucked


Ok, you crossed the line.

I guess everyone has their opinion though....


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Ok, you crossed the line.

I guess everyone has their opinion though....


(Are you mad?)
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#37
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Yeah but..........


......pantera has always sucked

This is true.

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#38
The people who don't listen to music because it's mainstream are just as bad as the people who only listen to what's popular at the time. Stop caring what people think about and listen to what you like.
#39
You shouldn't need to like all of a band's songs just to say you like them.
That's stupid, that's just liking a band for the name.
If a band was playing some metal and one day decided to make some sort of pop rock album, it would be reasonable they would lose some fans, some people aren't intereted in pop-rock. My main point is, it's stupid to mindlessly follow bands just because you liked a couple things they have done.
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The people who don't listen to music because it's mainstream are just as bad as the people who only listen to what's popular at the time. Stop caring what people think about and listen to what you like.



Exactly, this right here is the mindset that people need to have imo.
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