#1
What do you think this movie/book is really about? Some say it's about anti consumerism, say it's just about the violence. What do you really think Fight Club is about and the message it sends?
#2
Rulezzz 1 + 2, homeboy.





P.S. To answer your question though, I think it's about how we need to let go of all the material **** we have and realize what really matters in life.
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I've only read the novel once, but I plan on reading it again.

It was so entertaining that I read it over the course of a single reading session, and as a result much of the "deeper content" (assuming any exists) went over my head.

There's a very long list of books that I want to read, though, so it may be a while before I get a chance to read it.
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I've only read the novel once, but I plan on reading it again.

It was so entertaining that I read it over the course of a single reading session, and as a result much of the "deeper content" (assuming any exists) went over my head.

There's a very long list of books that I want to read, though, so it may be a while before I get a chance to read it.


Same here, I read the book in a day, so I'll have to ask my friend to borrow it again.
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There is only one rule in fightclub, therefore this thread should be closed.



1. do not talk aobut fight club
2. DO NOT TALK about fight club
3. only 2 guys to a fight
4. only one fight at a time fellas
5. if someone yells stop, goes limp, or taps out, the fight is over
6. no shirt no shoes
7. fights will go on as long as they have 2
8. if this is your first night t fight club, you fight
#11
Well the interesting things that I look at are:

He was a slave to society, and all his possessions ended up owning him and his life. Then he "met" Tyler Durden. Tyler was the ticket out of his materialistic hell hole that he loathed. Tyler was everything that he wanted to be and could do everything that he wanted to do. So in his miserable insomniac state, he wanted out, Tyler helped him by creating fight club, and as soon as he started fighting, the rest of the things in his life "got the volume turned down". He realized all the **** he worried about before wasn't worth it, and he finally realized the control he had over his life. However his strife that created Tyler Durden was still present, as he saw the world still as a materialistic hell hole, and the Tyler Durden in him still wanted change. So then Tyler Durden started taking control of his life.

You can see the rise of the narrator's happiness and control over his life and actions when he starts fight club, because he is happy with himself now that all his possessions don't own him anymore. But then as it evolves into Project Mayhem, he starts to lose happiness and loses his control over his life again, because Tyler Durden wants to set everyone back to zero. So he loses himself again as Tyler prepares the destruction of the credit card companies and all that jizz, and the narrator tries to catch up and stop him.

Finally in the end, he shoots himself, destroying the terrorist Tyler Durden, and finally he is in control of his life again.

So basically, the narrator starts out as a sheep(bad) in society, then is awakened(good), then turned into a spacemonkey (a sheep with different goals[bad]), and then after destroying Tyler, he becomes himself again(good)

Overall I think that the point is that there is no problem with the way any society works, because you can always become trapped in the unhappy everyday ritual of that societies norms, no matter if its materialistic or nihilistic. Like the way he was trapped in his materialistic life(buying pointless furniture, dragging himself to work), and then in the more nihilistic/or socialist "Project Mayhem" he became trapped in destroying the world as he new it. Instead of the problems being in society, there's a problem with the way people function in society, they become desensitized to it everyday and lose sight of everything that they have, and their happiness, so they try and find new ways of obtaining happiness.

So have complete control over your life, and know how lucky you are to have everything you have.
But you know, I could be just missing the point, this is just what i took away from it
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Well the interesting things that I look at are:

He was a slave to society, and all his possessions ended up owning him and his life. Then he "met" Tyler Durden. Tyler was the ticket out of his materialistic hell hole that he loathed. Tyler was everything that he wanted to be and could do everything that he wanted to do. So in his miserable insomniac state, he wanted out, Tyler helped him by creating fight club, and as soon as he started fighting, the rest of the things in his life "got the volume turned down". He realized all the **** he worried about before wasn't worth it, and he finally realized the control he had over his life. However his strife that created Tyler Durden was still present, as he saw the world still as a materialistic hell hole, and the Tyler Durden in him still wanted change. So then Tyler Durden started taking control of his life.

You can see the rise of the narrator's happiness and control over his life and actions when he starts fight club, because he is happy with himself now that all his possessions don't own him anymore. But then as it evolves into Project Mayhem, he starts to lose happiness and loses his control over his life again, because Tyler Durden wants to set everyone back to zero. So he loses himself again as Tyler prepares the destruction of the credit card companies and all that jizz, and the narrator tries to catch up and stop him.

Finally in the end, he shoots himself, destroying the terrorist Tyler Durden, and finally he is in control of his life again.

So basically, the narrator starts out as a sheep(bad) in society, then is awakened(good), then turned into a spacemonkey (a sheep with different goals[bad]), and then after destroying Tyler, he becomes himself again(good)

Overall I think that the point is that there is no problem with the way any society works, because you can always become trapped in the unhappy everyday ritual of that societies norms, no matter if its materialistic or nihilistic. Like the way he was trapped in his materialistic life(buying pointless furniture, dragging himself to work), and then in the more nihilistic/or socialist "Project Mayhem" he became trapped in destroying the world as he new it. Instead of the problems being in society, there's a problem with the way people function in society, they become desensitized to it everyday and lose sight of everything that they have, and their happiness, so they try and find new ways of obtaining happiness.

So have complete control over your life, and know how lucky you are to have everything you have.
But you know, I could be just missing the point, this is just what i took away from it



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#13
I think the point of the film was to show the world that Brad Pitt has washboard abs that are so perfect, you could just use him instead of your washing machine.
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I think the point of the film was to show the world that Brad Pitt has washboard abs that are so perfect, you could just use him instead of your washing machine.


And you could sneak naked frames on him into a film and a lot of people won't notice.
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Rulezzz 1 + 2, homeboy.





P.S. To answer your question though, I think it's about how we need to let go of all the material **** we have and realize what really matters in life.



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#16
There's nothing deep, everything is pretty obvious. I love the book but there's nothing hard to get.
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#17
That movie influenced me insanely as a kid, and I wish I read the book, but I've ben wrapped up in Castaneda and havent had time. I realize how weak we as a society have become, and how no one remembers that we are just animals. I definitely see the oint of nihilism and pointless violence because the point of the the pointless violence is ot be pointless (woah). Do you remember the part in the movie when Tyler (Pitt) is whispering to Tyler (Ed) about the world he sees? We need to enter that world of simplicity and strength, where the weak would again be rooted out of our society and we could rise again as a better species with more knowledge of our abilities. If anyone ever read the Forgotten Realms series, think Drizzt's Hunter or if you read Diskworld series by Pratchett, Vimes' Inner Beast.
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That movie influenced me insanely as a kid, and I wish I read the book, but I've ben wrapped up in Castaneda and havent had time. I realize how weak we as a society have become, and how no one remembers that we are just animals. I definitely see the oint of nihilism and pointless violence because the point of the the pointless violence is ot be pointless (woah). Do you remember the part in the movie when Tyler (Pitt) is whispering to Tyler (Ed) about the world he sees? We need to enter that world of simplicity and strength, where the weak would again be rooted out of our society and we could rise again as a better species with more knowledge of our abilities. If anyone ever read the Forgotten Realms series, think Drizzt's Hunter or if you read Diskworld series by Pratchett, Vimes' Inner Beast.



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#22
Chuck said himself the book idea and concept, in fact the whole thing originated from the rules of fight club. He said that the actual fightclub part of it could have been anything, knitting club etc. It was the concept of the rules and how it would affect the group of people abiding by them. It started off with the scene in the office when the guys are doing the spreadshow and they ask his opinion and he shows his battered/sewed up teeth with blood in his mouth.

Then of course add in the usual Palahniuk nihilistic story telling and twisted story plots and you've got fightclub. Alot of people note how its anti-consumerism, but I think thats too much of an obvious thing in the novel for it to be main point, I think its just A point.
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Did any one notice the cabs in the movie are called 'scat' cabs




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the lesson is that edward norton is the greatest actor of all time


Indeed. What's he like as a person? Is he a nice guy? I've never seen many interviews with him.
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the lesson is that edward norton is the greatest actor of all time


Pretty much, actually. He's been amazing in every film I've seen him in. I particularly liked his performance in American history X.
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Well the interesting things that I look at are:

He was a slave to society, and all his possessions ended up owning him and his life. Then he "met" Tyler Durden. Tyler was the ticket out of his materialistic hell hole that he loathed. Tyler was everything that he wanted to be and could do everything that he wanted to do. So in his miserable insomniac state, he wanted out, Tyler helped him by creating fight club, and as soon as he started fighting, the rest of the things in his life "got the volume turned down". He realized all the **** he worried about before wasn't worth it, and he finally realized the control he had over his life. However his strife that created Tyler Durden was still present, as he saw the world still as a materialistic hell hole, and the Tyler Durden in him still wanted change. So then Tyler Durden started taking control of his life.

You can see the rise of the narrator's happiness and control over his life and actions when he starts fight club, because he is happy with himself now that all his possessions don't own him anymore. But then as it evolves into Project Mayhem, he starts to lose happiness and loses his control over his life again, because Tyler Durden wants to set everyone back to zero. So he loses himself again as Tyler prepares the destruction of the credit card companies and all that jizz, and the narrator tries to catch up and stop him.

Finally in the end, he shoots himself, destroying the terrorist Tyler Durden, and finally he is in control of his life again.

So basically, the narrator starts out as a sheep(bad) in society, then is awakened(good), then turned into a spacemonkey (a sheep with different goals[bad]), and then after destroying Tyler, he becomes himself again(good)

Overall I think that the point is that there is no problem with the way any society works, because you can always become trapped in the unhappy everyday ritual of that societies norms, no matter if its materialistic or nihilistic. Like the way he was trapped in his materialistic life(buying pointless furniture, dragging himself to work), and then in the more nihilistic/or socialist "Project Mayhem" he became trapped in destroying the world as he new it. Instead of the problems being in society, there's a problem with the way people function in society, they become desensitized to it everyday and lose sight of everything that they have, and their happiness, so they try and find new ways of obtaining happiness.

So have complete control over your life, and know how lucky you are to have everything you have.
But you know, I could be just missing the point, this is just what i took away from it



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#30
Why are people always so certain that when 'the narrator' shot himself tyler was killed? The things he says, and the way he takes control of the situation to me implies that perhaps tyler is the one who has taken over.

Plus there's the last line from one of the Space Monkeys saying something like "he's one tough mother ****er"...

Plus the last line of the narrator is to Marla saying something along the lines of "everything is going to be ok" as the buildings explode, whereas previously he didnt want that to happen.

I cant remember the quotes exactly but hopefully I remember the jist.
#31
Quote by tremeloud
Well the interesting things that I look at are:

He was a slave to society, and all his possessions ended up owning him and his life. Then he "met" Tyler Durden. Tyler was the ticket out of his materialistic hell hole that he loathed. Tyler was everything that he wanted to be and could do everything that he wanted to do. So in his miserable insomniac state, he wanted out, Tyler helped him by creating fight club, and as soon as he started fighting, the rest of the things in his life "got the volume turned down". He realized all the **** he worried about before wasn't worth it, and he finally realized the control he had over his life. However his strife that created Tyler Durden was still present, as he saw the world still as a materialistic hell hole, and the Tyler Durden in him still wanted change. So then Tyler Durden started taking control of his life.

You can see the rise of the narrator's happiness and control over his life and actions when he starts fight club, because he is happy with himself now that all his possessions don't own him anymore. But then as it evolves into Project Mayhem, he starts to lose happiness and loses his control over his life again, because Tyler Durden wants to set everyone back to zero. So he loses himself again as Tyler prepares the destruction of the credit card companies and all that jizz, and the narrator tries to catch up and stop him.

Finally in the end, he shoots himself, destroying the terrorist Tyler Durden, and finally he is in control of his life again.

So basically, the narrator starts out as a sheep(bad) in society, then is awakened(good), then turned into a spacemonkey (a sheep with different goals[bad]), and then after destroying Tyler, he becomes himself again(good)

Overall I think that the point is that there is no problem with the way any society works, because you can always become trapped in the unhappy everyday ritual of that societies norms, no matter if its materialistic or nihilistic. Like the way he was trapped in his materialistic life(buying pointless furniture, dragging himself to work), and then in the more nihilistic/or socialist "Project Mayhem" he became trapped in destroying the world as he new it. Instead of the problems being in society, there's a problem with the way people function in society, they become desensitized to it everyday and lose sight of everything that they have, and their happiness, so they try and find new ways of obtaining happiness.

So have complete control over your life, and know how lucky you are to have everything you have.
But you know, I could be just missing the point, this is just what i took away from it



My fav part of your post.

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Nihilism, duh.


And homosexuality.


This also. There are many homoerotic under(over)tones.

If you watch it with that mindset you see a lot of interesting details.
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Nihilism, duh.


And homosexuality.


Existentialism duh.

Theres a distinct difference.
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#33
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There's nothing deep, everything is pretty obvious. I love the book but there's nothing hard to get.
Bret Easton Ellis ftw


ellis is kind of an overly obvious nihilist himself, his books just get so samey, that being said, less than zero hit me really hard the first time i read it.

on fight club, you guys are taking this way too far. fight club is a very good movie and probably one of my favorites, but it's not call to revolution or life-altering piece of art. it's a sharply directed movie, that was acted well and shot in a very cool atmosphere. it dealt with very "edgy" topics for the young adult crowds like 'consumerism' and 'self-enlightenment' and much like a certain comedian who just ranted about "edgy" things and used that lure to attract thousands of rabid fanboys, it's not as great as you're claiming it is. as for the book, it's full of extremely clever one-liners, which palahniuk seems to have a penchant for, but the man couldn't string together a book's worth of good material if his life depended on it.
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oh and its about letting go of all you own in order to hit rock bottom

just coz you can

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Chuck Palahniuk is a genius, I can't wait to see Choke, especially since Sam Rockwell is in it
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Existentialism duh.

Theres a distinct difference.

K I'll let you deal with the philosophy then, champ.