#1
I play alot of blues and there are alot of bends in what i mostly play. My blues teacher suggested to string my acoustic guitar with some 009 electric guitar strings. Im going string it with some ernie ball strings tommorow. Now i have a question, why does everybody think that electric guitar strings sound bad on an acoustic?
Last edited by Haedadru at Nov 28, 2008,
#5
you can get them online...i use a couple of places and will post the link in a moment
#7
its more cheaper for me in my country because shipping from other countries are extra 20 bucks. but still thank you for your effort in finding those links, sorry they went in vain
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#8
Electric guitar strings just won't sound good because they're not designed for the same thing as acoustic strings. Electric guitar strings are designed to be amplified using a pickup. Acoustic guitar strings are designed to produce more acoustic sound.

They are also much too light to produce the sustain, tone, and volume that most acoustic guitarists want.
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#9
Ask yourself this: Should you run diesel in your gasoline powered car because someone told you it would run ok like that and be easier on the engine? Of course not, it's not meant for the gasoline engine, which is why there's other, correct choices. Same thing goes for acoustic strings and electric strings. I'd no sooner put acoustic strings on an electric than I'd put electrics on an acoustic. They are composed of different metals and are of a vastly different gauge. Use the proper type and gauge for the application at hand.
#10
The Beatles used electric guitar strings on their acoustic guitars. They merely went on to become the most successful band in history. No one seemed to have a problem with their use of electric strings on acoustic guitars.

Electric strings on an acoustic produce a thinner, yet brighter tone. Yes, you lose volume, but if you are into a tone with more treble and brightness, put electric strings on your acoustic.
#11
the beatles are talented hard workers.

most of us are neither.

Edit i stand corrected by the guy below me.

to lazy to go post anotther message
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#12
Quote by about
the beatles are talented hard workers.

Actually, you are mistaken. Talented, yes, but The Beatles were extremely lazy and sloppy when it came to guitars. They rarely changed their strings, they had no idea nor cared what string gauge was used, they played with electric strings on acoustic guitars, they'd play without knobs, they even used piano strings on their guitars. They certainly were not guitar techs. Very lazy regarding their guitars.
#13
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually, you are mistaken. Talented, yes, but The Beatles were extremely lazy and sloppy when it came to guitars. They rarely changed their strings, they had no idea nor cared what string gauge was used, they played with electric strings on acoustic guitars, they'd play without knobs, they even used piano strings on their guitars. They certainly were not guitar techs. Very lazy regarding their guitars.


hence their bad guitar sounds.
#14
Quote by Tempoe
hence their bad guitar sounds.

Nah, just early George on his Gretsch's was the producer of poor guitar sounds. (And Paul on his dull/thud Hofner.) But the Beatles really did get great sounds form their guitars as they progressed. That obviously has a hell of a lot to do with The Beatles creativity and the studio engineers. Just think of the gorgeous Leslie'd electric guitar sound that George practically invented.
#15
Dudes who stole the thread? I mean common we were talking about the sound of electric guitar strings on the acoustic. To me they sound great, trebly, bright, but not to bright and not so "boomy" as acoustic guitar strings, plus bends are alot easier!

Quote by LeftyDave
Ask yourself this: Should you run diesel in your gasoline powered car because someone told you it would run ok like that and be easier on the engine? Of course not, it's not meant for the gasoline engine, which is why there's other, correct choices. Same thing goes for acoustic strings and electric strings. I'd no sooner put acoustic strings on an electric than I'd put electrics on an acoustic. They are composed of different metals and are of a vastly different gauge. Use the proper type and gauge for the application at hand.


BTW guitars and cars are vastly diffrent things
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#16
Quote by Haedadru
Dudes who stole the thread?

No one stole it. I merely pointed out that the most successful band in history used electric guitar strings on acoustic guitars. From that example it is obvious that it won't hurt your sound or success.

And, yes, electric strings on acoustic guitars do sound "great, trebly, and bright." That's the idea of electric strings on an acoustic. The Beatles figured that out. Some people love that sound, others do not. If you do, then put some electric strings on your acoustic. I did. I also have another acoustic with acoustic strings. Best of both worlds.
#17
Quote by Haedadru
BTW guitars and cars are vastly diffrent things



In case you hadn't noticed, I wasn't comparing cars to guitars. I was making a comparison of doing something just as rediculous to each one.
And to everyone else whose hyping up the Beatles up there. The majority of the people on these threads don't give a rip if John, Paul, George and Ringo did this or not. That was their thing in their time. I'm simply stating the obvious fact that it shouldn't be done. Can it be done and produce sound? Sure. Is it a desireable sound? Not to me, but someone else, maybe. Should it be done? Depends on the guitar. Will it damage the guitar? Depends on the guitar again. Is it a waste of money better spent on the right item? Yes, to me it most certainly is, to others, maybe not.
#18
Quote by LeftyDave
In case you hadn't noticed, I wasn't comparing cars to guitars. I was making a comparison of doing something just as rediculous to each one.


Your lying to yourself in your own sentences.
#19
Quote by LeftyDave
The majority of the people on these threads don't give a rip if John, Paul, George and Ringo did this or not. I'm simply stating the obvious fact that it shouldn't be done. Is it a desireable sound? Not to me.

So let me get this straight. What's desirable to you is more of an important example to this thread than what was desireable for The Beatles or any other super successful musical artist.

Wow, do you have a high opinion of yourself. You feel that your example of how you like your guitar is a better example than how John, Paul, and George played theirs. Odd.
#20
Quote by Haedadru
Your lying to yourself in your own sentences.


That's a rhetorical fallacy. You cannot cut up a sentence like that without looking at the context. Dave said he was not comparing cars to guitars. He was making a comparison of "doing something equally ridiculous."

As for Casino's reply about Dave's comment, He was merely implying that any avid and pure acoustic guitar player would never do such a thing as putting electric guitar strings on an acoustic. Anyone who really understands guitars will also understand that just because someone famous does it doesn't mean its a good idea. The Beatles also did drugs but that doesn't make that a good idea either.

Anyway, play nicely everyone.
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#21
Quote by captivate
The Beatles also did drugs but that doesn't make that a good idea either.

You bring up someone doing drugs on a thread about electric strings on acoustic guitars. Let's see if your example works here:

A. The Beatles doing drugs had exacty what to do with the sound coming out of their acoustic guitars?

B. The Beatles playing their acoustics with electric strings did have something to do with the sound coming out of their acoustics.

I'd say your comment about doing drugs is completely irrelevant to this topic and statement B is relevant to this topic. The original poster is looking for opinions on electric strings on acoustics. The Beatles doing that is a fine example of it being done successfully.
#22
they have extra light acoustic strings?
thus voiding the need for electric strings?

news to me.. lol
#23
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
You bring up someone doing drugs on a thread about electric strings on acoustic guitars. Let's see if your example works here:

A. The Beatles doing drugs had exacty what to do with the sound coming out of their acoustic guitars?

B. The Beatles playing their acoustics with electric strings did have something to do with the sound coming out of their acoustics.

I'd say your comment about doing drugs is completely irrelevant to this topic and statement B is relevant to this topic. The original poster is looking for opinions on electric strings on acoustics. The Beatles doing that is a fine example of it being done successfully.


wow, calm down. you really have a high horse for trying to put people down dont you? it's ok, you don't have to try that hard for us to like you.
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#24
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
You bring up someone doing drugs on a thread about electric strings on acoustic guitars. Let's see if your example works here:

A. The Beatles doing drugs had exacty what to do with the sound coming out of their acoustic guitars?

B. The Beatles playing their acoustics with electric strings did have something to do with the sound coming out of their acoustics.

I'd say your comment about doing drugs is completely irrelevant to this topic and statement B is relevant to this topic. The original poster is looking for opinions on electric strings on acoustics. The Beatles doing that is a fine example of it being done successfully.



My point about doing drugs was never meant to relate to guitars. It was about making the point that just because someone famous does it, doesn't necessarily make it a good idea at all, and that in itself, IS relevant to this topic.

I'm not saying that the Beatles' guitars sounded bad. I'm not saying not to string your guitar with electric strings either(Do whatever you want. It's your guitar, but I just don't suggest doing it.).

What I am saying is that if Person A does action X and is famous for playing it a band. it does not mean that Person B should also do action X just because Person A plays in a famous band.

I'm trying to show the logical loophole that is created when someone says "The Beatles did this and are famous, so there's nothing wrong with doing the same thing." You cannot do that.
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#25
Quote by captivate
I'm trying to show the logical loophole that is created when someone says "The Beatles did this and are famous, so there's nothing wrong with doing the same thing." You cannot do that.

All I'm saying is that the original poster was seeking advice on whether it is a good or bad thing to play electric strings on an acoustic. By stating The Beatles did it I was simply pointing out that if an incredibly successful band can get away with stringing acoustics with electric strings, then obviously there is nothing wrong with doing it that way at all.
#26
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
All I'm saying is that the original poster was seeking advice on whether it is a good or bad thing to play electric strings on an acoustic. By stating The Beatles did it I was simply pointing out that if an incredibly successful band can get away with stringing acoustics with electric strings, then obviously there is nothing wrong with doing it that way at all.


That logic may have held true 40 years ago. How about now? Do you honestly believe that we haven't moved forward in our knowledge of guitars enough in those intervening years to make an informed, rational decision as to weather or not we should use electric strings on our acoustic guitars? I own both styles, and have played them for a good many years. I've also done the experimental things such as this very thing, years ago. They didn't work for me, and they won't work for the majority of guitars and players out there. But, as captivate said, it's up to the individual to decide for themselves if they wish to do something like this or not. I never said it wouldn't work at all, just that it's impractical and not necessary, especially if it's based solely on the idea that "the Beatles did it and got away with it, so it must be ok". That my friend is pure narrow mindedness.
My suggestions are based on my own experience and knowledge of guitars. If I felt I didn't have anything substantial to offer to these threads, I wouldn't be here.
#27
Quote by LeftyDave
"the Beatles did it and got away with it, so it must be ok". That my friend is pure narrow mindedness.

Show me where I said that, please.
What I said (and I've written it about ten times now) was that The Beatles did it - it can't be all that bad of an idea.
If you read music as poorly as you read words, I sure don't want to hear your music.
#28
Quote by Haedadru
I play alot of blues and there are alot of bends in what i mostly play. My blues teacher suggested to string my acoustic guitar with some 009 electric guitar strings. Im going string it with some ernie ball strings tommorow. Now i have a question, why does everybody think that electric guitar strings sound bad on an acoustic?


Ok, back to the original point of this post, ignoring everything in between. The reason that most people on here will tell you not to string up an acoustic with electrics is that for the most part they sound tinny and lifeless. That thin of a gauge of string just doesn't have the needed vibrational energy to impart to the soundboard to get the life out of the guitar as it was designed to do. Thus the reason for my car analogy. A gasoline car was not designed to run on diesel, nor was an acoustic guitar designed to be played with the thinner gauge electric strings on it. That's it. Casino can keep piping up with whatever he feels like, and honestly, I could give a rip less. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is finished.
#29
Quote by LeftyDave
as it was designed to do.

So then you believe that instruments should only be used as they were designed. You feel only drum sticks on drums...never, ever use brushes. Overdrive an amp and create distortion on a clean guitar sound...you would never, ever do that. You only use musical equipment as it was designed. Interesting.
#30
None of those other things are in question, nor are they being discussed here. Since you seem to have a fond desire to bash me at every turn, take this:

*Reported*
#32
Quote by Haedadru
I play alot of blues and there are alot of bends in what i mostly play. My blues teacher suggested to string my acoustic guitar with some 009 electric guitar strings. Im going string it with some ernie ball strings tommorow. Now i have a question, why does everybody think that electric guitar strings sound bad on an acoustic?

The reason that you often hear people say that electric guitar strings sound bad on an acoustic is because when you use really light gauge strings (i.e. most electric guitar strings) on an acoustic guitar, it sounds different than when you use heavier gauge strings (i.e. acoustic steel strings). Whether or not it sounds bad is a matter of opinion. I personally am not a fan of the way it sounds, but some people will disagree. Again, this is just a matter of opinion. It will in no way harm or damage your guitar, so if you are curious or think it might be beneficial for you... by all means, give it a try! Trial and error isn't always a safe method for trying new things, but you'll be fine in this case.

As has been noted, there have been artists to use electric strings on acoustic guitars with success in the past. The Beatles were mentioned, and I do feel it worthy of noting that the Beatles used electric guitar strings sometimes, but they also very often used electric guitar pickups on their acoustic guitars. When you are using an electric guitar (magnetic) pickup, any old steel strings will do. The sound is not substantially affected by the ability of the strings to transfer sufficient vibration to the body of the guitar.

For an acoustic guitar being recorded/amplified through electric guitar pickups, electric strings and acoustic steel strings will essentially perform the same. They will definitely sound different acoustically, though. It is also worth noting that if you are going to use any other kind of amplification method (i.e mikes or transducers), you will see notably different results between acoustic steel strings and electric strings. Again, whether or not one sounds better than the other is a matter of opinion.

Another thing that I would like to address is the repeated claim that electric strings have a brighter sound than acoustic steel strings. This is not true. It is true, and it has been already said, that electric strings will produce a thinner acoustic sound; however, this has nothing to do with how bright the sound is. Perhaps we have different ideas of what constitutes bright, warm, mellow, etc., but imo these are things that are primarily affected by the materials and manufacture. Thin and bright do not mean the same thing and are not necessarily the product of each other.

As for the banter going on in this thread, quit it. Conversation is good. Debate is good. This is what the forum is for. It needs to be understood by all users that anything stated is obviously an opinion and that opinions will differ from person to person. I don't want to close the thread, because I think it's a good thread with some interesting perspective and I hate to close a thread when the threadstarter has done nothing wrong. So let's all see if we can't be mature in the discussion.

There's no need for anyone to get defensive.
There's no need for any to be argumentative.
There's no need for anyone to pick apart statements.

#33
Quote by jimtaka

A. I do feel it worthy of noting that the Beatles used electric guitar strings sometimes,

B. There's no need for any to be argumentative.


A. Early years it was all the time. The Beatles two Gibson 160s were strung with electric strings. And the interesting thing is that when recording these, The Beatles mostly miked them, so the recorded sound really was electric strings on an acoustic. It really is not a bad sound. The original poster should consider that.

B. 100% agree. Adding the info that The Beatles used electric strings on acoustics was just that - adding info. The original poster can do what he or she wants with that info.