#1
Does it make any sense to use an overdrive on a clean channel of a tube amp? Does the Blues screamer work for that or is a Danelectro fine.
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#2
yes, OD work fine on the clean channel. Your best bet would be to use it just a boost though
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#3
yes it makes total sense.. that's what OD is supposed to do.. get a tube screamer, that's made for tube amps.

IMO - don't use a blues driver or danelectro because they simulate the sounds of an overdriven amp and don't actually push a tube amp
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#4
you also might look at a Digitech Bad Monkey. does basically the same thing as a tubescreamer, but it's cheaper.
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#5
Which danelectro are you talking about? The FAB's are quite lame (although cheap as dirt), but their Cool Cat overdrives are quite nice (IMO).
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IMO - don't use a blues driver or danelectro because they simulate the sounds of an overdriven amp and don't actually push a tube amp


Which is exactly what any overdrive pedal does; emulates an overdriven tube amp. Nothing is being pushed. If the intent of an overdrive pedal was to only push the tubes harder there would be no need for any clipping inside the circuit and in the end there would be no need for a drive knob on the pedal. Sure some overdrive pedals can be used as a boost by turning the drive knob down and volume up, but any pedal that can get above unity gain can be used for a boost.
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Which is exactly what any overdrive pedal does; emulates an overdriven tube amp. Nothing is being pushed. If the intent of an overdrive pedal was to only push the tubes harder there would no need for any clipping inside the circuit and in the end there would no need for a drive knob on the pedal. Sure some overdrive pedals can be used as a boost by turning the drive knob down and volume up, but any pedal that can get above unity gain can be used for a boost.


Thank you. This is absolutely true and hopefully people will read this and understand that the point of overdrive pedals is not to boost already overdriven amps, we have clean boosts for that, and they do a much better job of it than ODs do. And hopefully it will also dispel the myth that ODs sound like crap with solid state amps.
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Quote by al112987
Thank you. This is absolutely true and hopefully people will read this and understand that the point of overdrive pedals is not to boost already overdriven amps, we have clean boosts for that, and they do a much better job of it than ODs do. And hopefully it will also dispel the myth that ODs sound like crap with solid state amps.


What would be an example of a clean boost?

When would be okay to use an OD pedal then?
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Quote by al112987
Thank you. This is absolutely true and hopefully people will read this and understand that the point of overdrive pedals is not to boost already overdriven amps, we have clean boosts for that, and they do a much better job of it than ODs do. And hopefully it will also dispel the myth that ODs sound like crap with solid state amps.


That's not to say that it doesn't sound pretty cool (minus some hum), right?
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Quote by al112987
Thank you. This is absolutely true and hopefully people will read this and understand that the point of overdrive pedals is not to boost already overdriven amps, we have clean boosts for that, and they do a much better job of it than ODs do. And hopefully it will also dispel the myth that ODs sound like crap with solid state amps.

They sound like crap with modeling amps like MG's and Spiders when using multiple effects with the OD at the same time (i.e. reverb, delay, tremelo and OD at same time) like some noobs like to do. OD's really sound good with cubes though, not gonna lie.
#11
Indeed

I was speaking in reference to tube amps though, I should have made that clearer
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#12
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That's not to say that it doesn't sound pretty cool (minus some hum), right?


It depends. I prefer to use a clean boost over an overdrive to boost an amp's signal because overdrives tend to color the tone a little too much for my tastes and sometimes mud up the signal more than I'd like. But in general I don't really use boost pedals much, I'm usually ok with my amp's own overdrive and gain (I'm not a high gain type of player), but will use an OD if I don't feel like turning my amp to 10 (no master volume).

To the guy two posts up, I agree that some external effects don't play nice with onboard effects in modeling amps, but my main issue is when people say that ODs don't work with solid state amps because they cause the amps to clip, which I always 'lol' at.
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Quote by al112987
It depends. I prefer to use a clean boost over an overdrive to boost an amp's signal because overdrives tend to color the tone a little too much for my tastes and sometimes mud up the signal more than I'd like. But in general I don't really use boost pedals much, I'm usually ok with my amp's own overdrive and gain (I'm not a high gain type of player), but will use an OD if I don't feel like turning my amp to 10 (no master volume).


What is an example of a clean boost pedal? If an OD pedal doesn't provide a clean boost from a tube amp, then what would?
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They sound like crap with modeling amps like MG's and Spiders when using multiple effects with the OD at the same time (i.e. reverb, delay, tremelo and OD at same time) like some noobs like to do. OD's really sound good with cubes though, not gonna lie.


MG isn't a modeling amp
#15
^ HBE uno mos? zvex super hard on? electroharmonix lpb1?

whether or not they mess with the tone a little, though, i don't know, i haven't tried all those. but they're technically clean boosts, i think.
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#18
I use an overdrive on my tube amp on my overdrive channel. Weird i know but it just gives me a little extra gain that i think sounds good.
#19
not really weird, that's fair enough, i think. but you're getting a bit of dirt/clipping from the pedal too, most likely.
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you also might look at a Digitech Bad Monkey. does basically the same thing as a tubescreamer, but it's cheaper.

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#22
so if a use an OD through the clean channel on the tube amp (i dont like the drive on mine) would i get a good GNR sound? or would it be more of a Jimmy page sound.
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#23
^ depends on the overdrive. something like a tubescreamer doesn't have all that much dirt, it's probably going to be more of an SRV sound over the clean channel. a higher gain overdrive (e.g. hbe power screamer- there are probably others too, but i haven't tried them) would probably get you up to g n r, though.
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What is an example of a clean boost pedal? If an OD pedal doesn't provide a clean boost from a tube amp, then what would?



http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=clean+boost+pedal,

examples: keeley katana, maxon cp9+ (its a compressor but it can be used as a clean boost),catalinbread serrano picoso/chili picoso, Xotic RC/AC booster, many others.
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its called "clean" because it doesnt color your tone. for example, a tubescreamer also adds mids.

edit: also, the boost comes from the pedals, not the amp. thats why they are called "clean boosts". of course the boost can push the tubes into overdrive (god, that sounds so cheesy. *pictures han solo* "chewbacca, push the tubes into OVERDRIVE!!!1")
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Thank you. This is absolutely true and hopefully people will read this and understand that the point of overdrive pedals is not to boost already overdriven amps, we have clean boosts for that, and they do a much better job of it than ODs do. <b>And hopefully it will also dispel the myth that ODs sound like crap with solid state amps.<b>


Thank YOU also. I used to try to emphasize these points, but now the 'ODs only sound great on tube' phrase gets used so much that i don't even bother. Even my bad monkey on an Ibanez 10 watt Toneblaster sounds pretty good for classic rock..
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#26
also, i use my fulltone Fulldrive II while my blackheart LG is clean to get a good GNR sound. it's not spot on, but realllly close, just missing some added saturation of power tube OD. but then again, the cleans aren't SUPER clean, they're a little warm and have thickness to them, which is what i prefer anyway.
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#27
Killswitch engage's guitarists both use an od in front of their dirty channels on their amps.
Mind you these guys are using h&k triamps, so the amp isn't sucky what so ever.

They just like the dirt it adds to the sound.
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