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Before I got into metal, I thought it was just a bunch of unskilled retards making a bunch of noise and screaming. Of course, now I know it is actually a very diverse and expressive genre, and is not just about noise and lack of talent. But what I want to know is, where did this stereotype come from? Why do people think that metal is crappy noise when they've never even heard a metal band? WHY?
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cause some people think slash is an amazing guitarist.
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Before I got into metal, I thought it was just a bunch of unskilled retards making a bunch of noise and screaming. Of course, now I know it is actually a very diverse and expressive genre, and is not just about noise and lack of talent. But what I want to know is, where did this stereotype come from? Why do people think that metal is crappy noise when they've never even heard a metal band? WHY?

Because most of it is noise.
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That's just how people are... A lot of people have an opinion on something they know nothing about. Makes them feel good about themselves and the things they do, maybe. Who knows.
#7
Well, probably because when they think "Metal", they think what they hear on the radio, IE Slipknot, Korn, etc. To be fair, they are in fact metal, just not exactly...Good. Also, to Steven, even though I don't listen to GnR or Slash, you have to give him credit man. He is good, just not something I'd listen to extensively. Guthrie Govan or Allan Holdsworth, on the other hand...mmm

EDIT: Also, there is the sad fact that a good bit of it is just noise. They hear one bad one, and generalize that ALL of it is bad. Very poor reasoning.
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That's just how people are... A lot of people have an opinion on something they know nothing about. Makes them feel good about themselves and the things they do, maybe. Who knows.


I don't care if a person hates metal after hearing many different bands, and trying to appreciate it but insulting a creative form of expression without even trying it is stupid.

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Because most of it is noise.


How?
#9
The PMRC made it look perverted, satanic, evil, violent, sexist, and it made the stereotype thanks to Tipper (****ing) Gore.
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I don't care if a person hates metal after hearing many different bands, and trying to appreciate it but insulting a creative form of expression without even trying it is stupid.



How?

It seems to work that way with metalheads and pretty much any other genre.

Also, when I say most of it is noise, alot of it has no melody to it(necrophagist, etc) or is literally noise(grindcore etc). Before you people flame about "grindcore isnt metal noob", I dont care and I doubt most people who dislike metal would care either.
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Because most of it is noise.

So. Much. Fail


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*raises rusty wooden spoon* I've been saving this one for a special occasion *castrates Ktool the Girth*.
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It seems to work that way with metalheads and pretty much any other genre.

Also, when I say most of it is noise, alot of it has no melody to it(necrophagist, etc) or is literally noise(grindcore etc). Before you people flame about "grindcore isnt metal noob", I dont care and I doubt most people who dislike metal would care either.



....Necrophagist has no melody? Really?
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....Necrophagist has no melody? Really?

Really. Sorry to say it you guys, but they dont. Every metalhead Ive talked to in person cant stand them because of this.
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Grindcore is pretty much noise

That doesn't mean it's not good music.

NECROBLASPHEMOEDIT: Serious, Ktool? Just leave while you still have some dignity (too late for your balls though), it's a fact Necrophagist have melody and it's not like their melody is hard to hear or buried anywhere, it's very clear.

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Really. Sorry to say it you guys, but they dont. Every metalhead Ive talked to in person cant stand them because of this.

Since when is whether or not a band has melodies an objective statement?

Whatever, he's just angry at the fact that he'll sound like Nattram for the rest of his life...
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Since when is whether or not a band has melodies an objective statement?

Whatever, he's just angry at the fact that he'll sound like Nattram for the rest of his life...

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Sorry for answering the original question. You guys are awfully defensive.
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We're not being defensive, 90% of what you said was just completely wrong. As I and Diminished said earlier, it's a fact Necrophagist are very melodic.
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#22
We only get defensive when people make ignorant statements like all of your posts in this thread. If you had brought up a legitamate point about not liking metal, we wouldn't have cared.

for example: "The vocals are too extreme for my tastes, and the aggression and speed of many metal bands puts me off" comes across much better than "its all noise"
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We're not being defensive, 90% of what you said was just completely wrong. As I and Diminished said earlier, it's a fact Necrophagist are very melodic.

90% of what I said is what people have told me. You guys asked why people dont like, I gave you answer and you flame me.
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90% of what I said is what people have told me. You guys asked why people dont like, I gave you answer and you flame me.

We didn't flame you, I just castrated you with a rusty wooden spoon - Have fun living the rest of your life as half a man!

Just so this post has some point:
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Because most of it is noise.


I rest my case.
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90% of what I said is what people have told me. You guys asked why people dont like, I gave you answer and you flame me.

Metal is not noise, and all of it has melody. We flame you for being ignorant to it.
#26
The same reason the people who hate rap are the one's who've heard guys like 50 Cent and lil Wayne, think that their local smooth jazz station is a good representation of jazz, and differentiate Hot Topic with metal.


Fuck the corporate world.
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I spent a few weeks listening to rap recently and whilst I still don't like it, I have a new appreciation of it.
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Really. Sorry to say it you guys, but they dont. Every metalhead Ive talked to in person cant stand them because of this.



Not being able to stand a band is objective. Melody isn't. Melody by its definition is just a succession of notes identified as one entity, like a repeated group of tones.


Examples:

Sweet Child of Mine intro riff
Necrophagist- Seven intro riff
Necrophagist- The Stillborn One intro riff


so obviously, Necrophagist has melodies. They may not be "melodic" in the melo death sense, but they definentely have melody thats easily distinguishable...
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Dear lord, no reason I like this place

People like Ktool are so fun to flame out. Seriously, how is Necrophagist not melodic? They are the most melodic technical death metal band I know of in the formal sense of the word "melodic".
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cuz ppl hate how power metal they are cuz they think its "gay" or w.e, which is immature and dirogitory
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Exactly, like I said earlier, I don't understand how you could not hear it, their Melody is very obvious most of the time, and they have perfectly clear production, so save deafness, I really don't see what problems you would have hearing their melody.
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The stereotype exists for the same reason that I think all indie bands sit around wearing 2nd-hand cardigans to try and look like they are from the 70s, and make crap music.


I know nothing about indie, they know nothing about metal.....so retarded sweeping assumptions are made!
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The stereotype exists for the same reason that I think all indie bands sit around wearing 2nd-hand cardigans to try and look like they are from the 70s, and make crap music.


I know nothing about indie, they know nothing about metal.....so retarded sweeping assumptions are made!


But, then you both are stupid

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cuz ppl hate how power metal they are cuz they think its "gay" or w.e, which is immature and dirogitory
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No no, you are quite astute, I dont know anything about other genres except metal. Dont really want to either.
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No no, you are quite astute, I dont know anything about other genres except metal. Dont really want to either.



Ooo, come now, young one. Do you really want to pigeon-hole yourself like that? Listen to some jazz Fusion, or Russian Circles. Or Classical music like Bartok, he uses diminished things.
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Ooo, come now, young one. Do you really want to pigeon-hole yourself like that? Listen to some jazz Fusion, or Russian Circles. Or Classical music like Bartok, he uses diminished things.

you rang?

and I'm thinking you're not going to change his mind haha he knows what he likes
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For some reason that post really annoyed me. Let him listen to what he wants to listen to, god, it really doesn't matter.

EDIT: lulz
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Ooo, come now, young one. Do you really want to pigeon-hole yourself like that? Listen to some jazz Fusion, or Russian Circles. Or Classical music like Bartok, he uses diminished things.



Jazz Fusion is for Howard Moon. I shall listen to whatever appeals to me, it doesnt mean I have to immerse myself in the entire genre.


And diminished things? Im sick of preachy theory wankers like this, who constantly spout this bull about metal having to conform to certain scales to sound 'evil'.

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you rang?

and I'm thinking you're not going to change his mind haha he knows what he likes


Damn straight.
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For some reason that post really annoyed me. Let him listen to what he wants to listen to, god, it really doesn't matter.


Agreed.
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cuz ppl hate how power metal they are cuz they think its "gay" or w.e, which is immature and dirogitory
#39
I didn't mean I was trying to convert you, I'm just saying, you know, a little change in scenery is refreshing every once in a while. But whatever, not trying to sway you from or to something or another.

And hey whoa, when the **** was I being preachy? For your information, I don't know a hell of a lot of music theory, good sir

Heh, whatever. Hooray for Opeth, Cynic, and Psycroptic


EDIT: alright, I was being a tad preachy. I apologize, I normally don't do that. You shall listen to whatever you like, sorry for coming off as a douche.
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Posting in this thread for all the profile picture fapping I heard about.
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