#1
I've been looking for a good guitar with these specs... Strat styled body, 24 frets, humbucker in the bridge, NO TREM. Pretty much a C-1 or of that sort... and for a while i've been looking at an Omen-6 or a C-1.... but i recently as of today ,actually yesterday, found out that kramer has pretty much what i'm looking for So right now I'm torn betwwen a Schecter C-1, or a Kramer Striker Custom S-424CR. The thing is that the Kramer is almost a 100 dollars cheaper than the C-1. Does that mean it's 100 dollars crappier? or just a better deal? like if i go with a Kramer will i feel like i've been ripped off? and this is prety much my first REAL electric guitar ...I have a squier but i kinda ruined it by tampering with things i really didn't understand lol anyway.... so since i'm not a pro little things won't bug me like wood type or small thing (you know?)

If this made sense then please help me out lol give me your opinions please
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#2
Just a tip: shopping used will get you much better quality gear. For example my (set neck, coil-tapping, gorgeous) C-1+ with upgraded pups and a case was $335.
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#3
Off the bat, the Schecter C-1 Omen/Damien-6 that you mentioned has the frankly very awful passive EMG Hz pickups, so I'd skip that.


The Kramer is made of alder while the Schecter C-1 is mahogany, so the Kramer will have a brighter, more balanced tone. That may also be the main cause why the Kramer is cheaper, since alder is typically a much cheaper wood to get hold of than mahogany.

And wood type is not 'a small thing'. It's pretty much the single most important part of your guitar. The type of wood a guitar is made of, and how much wood there is, effects tone a lot. The only thing that matters more is your amp, body wood is the second most important aspect.


Apart from that though, there doesn't look to be much of a difference, and in terms of build quality they should all be about equal (but of course, every brand will occasionally produce a bad guitar). Personally I'd go with the Kramer, simply because I prefer the Kramer neck profile and alder is generally a more versatile body wood than mahogany. But really there's not much in it, they're both very comparable.
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#4
I'd take the C1 personally.

I don't find the EMG HZs too bad, personally. But I have different gear to the above poster, so yeah.
#5
Quote by MrFlibble
Off the bat, the Schecter C-1 Omen/Damien-6 that you mentioned has the frankly very awful passive EMG Hz pickups, so I'd skip that.


The Kramer is made of alder while the Schecter C-1 is mahogany, so the Kramer will have a brighter, more balanced tone. That may also be the main cause why the Kramer is cheaper, since alder is typically a much cheaper wood to get hold of than mahogany.

And wood type is not 'a small thing'. It's pretty much the single most important part of your guitar. The type of wood a guitar is made of, and how much wood there is, effects tone a lot. The only thing that matters more is your amp, body wood is the second most important aspect.


Apart from that though, there doesn't look to be much of a difference, and in terms of build quality they should all be about equal (but of course, every brand will occasionally produce a bad guitar). Personally I'd go with the Kramer, simply because I prefer the Kramer neck profile and alder is generally a more versatile body wood than mahogany. But really there's not much in it, they're both very comparable.


I would say the pickups make a big difference to sound. I'd say amp>pickups>strings>wood>pick imo. And i prefer mahogany guitars for a warmer sound, which I think lends them to more versatility (les pauls etc, and some c1's have a maple top too for added brightness).

I think the C-1's are great guitars, but i'm biased, i've had one for awhile and it's sweet, sounds and plays great (Blackjack ATX FR)

Also, pickups can be upgraded later on, and are great to do so, as you can choose what sound/tone you're going for. I did this with my first guitar (epi g400, with sd invaders) and way very very happy with the results.

My vote is for the Schecter, as their quality is supposedly uniform no matter what price range schecter u buy (i own 2 now, both i'm real happy with), as all are made in South Korea and setup and inspected in Schecters Burbank hq in the USA.
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#6
Just to let you know the C-1 and The Omen 6 don't have EMG HZ's and it's not a damien-6.... The C-1 has Duncan Design Active HB-105 and the Omen has Schecter Diamond Plus... and the Omen has a Bass wood body... not Mohagany... and out of the two i'd lean more towards the omen cause it's more in my price range than the C-1

does the diffrence in the bridge make any diffrence in sound or playability? The Kramer has a bridge like ones found on an SG or a Les Paul, and the Schecters have string through TOMs...
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#7
The floyd rose version of the Kramer guitar has coil tapping, so, probably this no-trem version has that too.
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Quote by shampooboy37
Just to let you know the C-1 and The Omen 6 don't have EMG HZ's and it's not a damien-6.... .
The Schecter website says otherwise.
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Quote by MrFlibble
The Schecter website says otherwise.


i was just reading out of the catalog (yes it's up to date)
and i just checked the website...

Kramer Striker
http://www.kramerguitars.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=486

Schecter C-1
http://www.schecterguitars.com/spec.asp?id=177

Schecter Omen-6
http://www.schecterguitars.com/spec.asp?id=29
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#10
anyone else have anything to say?
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#11
wats with the gibson menu at the top of the kramer? did they buy out kramer or something?
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#12
Quote by ac/dc752
wats with the gibson menu at the top of the kramer? did they buy out kramer or something?
They've owned Kramer for a few years. Kramers are currently made by the same factory that handles Epiphone, except for the Reissue Baretta and Jersey Star models which were American-made in the same factory that handles the Gibson Custom Shop.

Though, that is the older Kramer site and hasn't been updated for a while. MusicYo is the main Kramer site now.

Quote by shampooboy37
i was just reading out of the catalog (yes it's up to date)
and i just checked the website...

Kramer Striker
http://www.kramerguitars.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=486

Schecter C-1
http://www.schecterguitars.com/spec.asp?id=177

Schecter Omen-6
http://www.schecterguitars.com/spec.asp?id=29
Okay, my mistake, I was looking at the distributer's Schecter page which lists the Omen and Damien range as being the same.
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Quote by MrFlibble
Okay, my mistake, I was looking at the distributer's Schecter page which lists the Omen and Damien range as being the same.


no prob... so with this new information which would you say is a better choice? i'm kinda leaning towards the Kramer? would this be wise lol
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#14
Quote by shampooboy37
does the diffrence in the bridge make any diffrence in sound or playability? The Kramer has a bridge like ones found on an SG or a Les Paul, and the Schecters have string through TOMs...



can anyone help me with this question?
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#15
Quote by shampooboy37
can anyone help me with this question?
In terms of playability and tuning stability they should be the same.

Some people say that string-through is better for sustain, but stopbars have been proven to provide more sustain (kind of like the old neck-through vs bolt-on argument).

For tone there shouldn't be any noticeable difference. In theory the stopbar will provide a slightly brighter tone, but it's be impossible to really hear it, especially since the guitars are made of different woods anyway which has a much bigger effect.

Quote by shampooboy37
no prob... so with this new information which would you say is a better choice? i'm kinda leaning towards the Kramer? would this be wise lol
Looking at them all now, the only noticeable differences are the pickups and the body woods.

The C-1's mahogany, so that's going to have the deepest tone. I'd also be wary of the active pickups it has. Active pickups are great if you pair them with the right kind of amp, but for general use they aren't a smart choice. It's not what I'd go for personally.

The Kramer's alder with the coil tapped H/S/H pickups (though technically it's HH/H/HH... unusual to say the least), so that's going to have the most balanced tone and the most tonal options. The Kramer also comes with some nice things like the Gotoh branded tuners. The basic 1 vol/1 tone controls aren't so great though and if you play a lot of metal (I'm guessing you do if you're looking at these kinds of guitars) then the alder body may be a little too light-sounding. Also, Kramer are only made to the same sort of standard that Epiphone are, while the Schecters can be a little higher build quality.

The Omen-6 is basswood, so that's going to be a fairly balanced tone with a little more low-end than the Kramer, which would be better for most metal. The trade off is you're not getting the same about of versatility as the Kramer since the Omen doesn't have the coil taps and middle pickup that the Kramer has.



I think if you play a larger variety of stuff, the Kramer is going to be better. If you play mostly harder stuff, the Omen-6 is going to be better. Both should be good buys, I've never come across a bad Schecter or Kramer. It really just comes down to what sort of music you play more.
The only one I'd skip would be the C-1, because active pickups are very specialised and are dodgy ground if you're not sure what you want.
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Quote by MrFlibble
Looking at them all now, the only noticeable differences are the pickups and the body woods.

The C-1's mahogany, so that's going to have the deepest tone. I'd also be wary of the active pickups it has. Active pickups are great if you pair them with the right kind of amp, but for general use they aren't a smart choice. It's not what I'd go for personally.

The Kramer's alder with the coil tapped H/S/H pickups (though technically it's HH/H/HH... unusual to say the least), so that's going to have the most balanced tone and the most tonal options. The Kramer also comes with some nice things like the Gotoh branded tuners. The basic 1 vol/1 tone controls aren't so great though and if you play a lot of metal (I'm guessing you do if you're looking at these kinds of guitars) then the alder body may be a little too light-sounding. Also, Kramer are only made to the same sort of standard that Epiphone are, while the Schecters can be a little higher build quality.

The Omen-6 is basswood, so that's going to be a fairly balanced tone with a little more low-end than the Kramer, which would be better for most metal. The trade off is you're not getting the same about of versatility as the Kramer since the Omen doesn't have the coil taps and middle pickup that the Kramer has.



I think if you play a larger variety of stuff, the Kramer is going to be better. If you play mostly harder stuff, the Omen-6 is going to be better. Both should be good buys, I've never come across a bad Schecter or Kramer. It really just comes down to what sort of music you play more.
The only one I'd skip would be the C-1, because active pickups are very specialised and are dodgy ground if you're not sure what you want.


Dude you've been a HUGE help.... I like to play a variety of stuff but i am in to the metal so I think I'm going to go with the Kramer.
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You won't get a great tone out of the Quadrails in the Kramer. They are rather muddy and dark sounding. I didn't like them at all and swapped them out. The guitar itself is really nice for the money you're spending. I bought mine for $270 but they now bumped them up in price to $370 I believe at MusicYo. MusicYo is the distributor, the guitar is made in Indonesia or at least mine was and of course Gibson owns Kramer now. Quality wise is good, my bridge stays in tune well for me, the finish is really nice for a guitar in that price range. The neck is nice, its not as thin as lets say a Wizard neck and its got a 16' fretboard radius so it is rather flat and geared towards metal. I think the neck is the best thing about that guitar.

Anyways, back to the pickups. I didn't care for them much but you might like them. I can't comment on comparing it to a Schecter as I've never played one and never cared for them. If I had to buy one again I'm not sure, I think I would for $270 but not the new price they are charging for them now. For $370 you can get an 80's Kramer Focus which were made in Japan by ESP and have an OFR. Just check the prices on Craigslist, they are always available for sale or I can help you out in finding one. Also at $370 you're heading into the later 80's American Kramer Pacer pricing territory as they start around the $450 range. Just something to think about. You could wait, and find a great deal on Craigslist, or wait and save up and buy something better. Up to you. Don't think you won't be happy with it, its a great guitar. Just my opinion on it and what your other options could be.
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Quote by MrFlibble
The Schecter website says otherwise.

My C1 Has Duncan Designed Buckers....doesnt sound like they are EMG's to me....maybe im wrong though . I think the Hell Raiser has EMG's but im not gonna look

EDIT: Confirmed, the only C1 on the schecter website with EMG's are the hellraiser series. I didnt see any other C1 with EMG's
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