#1
As probably many of us Canadians know, there's this whole government crisis happening right now, which would decide if Canada become a coalition government or not.

From what I have seen on tv and stuff I have read (from what seems to very neutral sources; I was careful with that) on the internet, I've got a vague, basic idea of what's going on. Basically being that the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc (and I think the Green party) want to join together to make a coalition to overpower the Conservative party, eventually making it ''obsolete'', or so to speak (am I right on this?). I'm still trying to figure out how this coalition would function (I'm straight up confused about it); do the members of the coalition vote and which ever proposal gets the most votes wins, or is it which ever parties overrules the other remaining one wins? (or is it something else?). I'm also wondering if this coaltion does come true, could it spark a sort of uproar in Canada, I'm talking about an uprising of the people, like a small scale civilian-government war? Or maybe my imagination is just running wild.

I've looked everywhere, and I have gotten answers to some of my questions, but it's all in political language, and I'm not too good with that. Can somebody here who's good in Canadian politics explain to me the basics of what's going on (clear things up for me) and how it could affect our counrty's future, and also how this coalition government would work, as far as making small scale and large scale decisions for our country?

Also, from what I'm understanding, if this coalition thing works, wouldn't it make Canada a non-democratic country? Others seem to think otherwise*.

Anyways, I'm just confused about what's going on, I just inputed a bunch of information on this in a very short amount of time so maybe that's why. Any answers to my questions or any clarifications on this subject would be very helpful.

If there is lack of answers or anything of the sort in this thread, then I guess you guys and gals could just discuss about it.


Thanks much guys and gals.


* http://rundp.blogspot.com/2008/12/coalition-government-explained.html

(there's a question right before the last pie chart that talks about this, and I don't quite get what he's trying to say, could someone explain it in non-political, non-fancy-schmansy words please?)
Last edited by metalblaster at Dec 3, 2008,
#3
Quote by metalblaster
As probably many of us Canadians know, there's this whole government crisis happening right now, which would decide if Canada become a coalition government or not.

From what I have seen on tv and stuff I have read (from what seems to very neutral sources; I was careful with that) on the internet, I've got a vague, basic idea of what's going on. Basically being that the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc (and I think the Green party) want to join together to make a coalition to overpower the Conservative party, eventually making it ''obsolete'', or so to speak (am I right on this?). I'm still trying to figure out how this coalition would function (I'm straight up confused about it); do the members of the coalition vote and which ever proposal gets the most votes wins, or is it which ever parties overrules the other remaining one wins? (or is it something else?). I'm also wondering if this coaltion does come true, could it spark a sort of uproar in Canada, I'm talking about an uprising of the people, like a small scale civilian-government war? Or maybe my imagination is just running wild.

I've looked everywhere, and I have gotten answers to some of my questions, but it's all in political language, and I'm not too good with that. Can somebody here who's good in Canadian politics explain to me the basics of what's going (clear things up for me), and how this coalition government would work, as far as making small scale and large scale decisions for our country?

Also, from what I'm understanding, if this coalition thing works, wouldn't it make Canada a non-democratic country? Others seem to think otherwise*.

Anyways, I'm just confused about what's going on, I just inputed a bunch of information on this in a very short amount of time so maybe that's why. Any answers to my questions or any clarifications on this subject would be very helpful.

If there is lack of answers or anything of the sort, then i guess you guys and gals could just discuss about it.


Thanks much guys and gals.


* http://rundp.blogspot.com/2008/12/coalition-government-explained.html

(there's a question right before the last pie chart that talks about this, and I don't quite get what he's trying to say, could someone explain it in non-political, non-fancy-schmansy words please?)



I don't understand it completely myself, but what I got from it is that the liberal and ndp want a coalition government and the bloc support the idea. It's to get rid of the conservative government because they suck, something like that.

And no no uprising, it's nothing big, nothing like a dictatorship or anything that would cause that.

Thats about as much detail as I know I've been meaning to read into it.
#4
Quote by metalblaster
As probably many of us Canadians know, there's this whole government crisis happening right now, which would decide if Canada become a coalition government or not.

From what I have seen on tv and stuff I have read (from what seems to very neutral sources; I was careful with that) on the internet, I've got a vague, basic idea of what's going on. Basically being that the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc (and I think the Green party) want to join together to make a coalition to overpower the Conservative party, eventually making it ''obsolete'', or so to speak (am I right on this?). I'm still trying to figure out how this coalition would function (I'm straight up confused about it); do the members of the coalition vote and which ever proposal gets the most votes wins, or is it which ever parties overrules the other remaining one wins? (or is it something else?). I'm also wondering if this coaltion does come true, could it spark a sort of uproar in Canada, I'm talking about an uprising of the people, like a small scale civilian-government war? Or maybe my imagination is just running wild.

I've looked everywhere, and I have gotten answers to some of my questions, but it's all in political language, and I'm not too good with that. Can somebody here who's good in Canadian politics explain to me the basics of what's going on (clear things up for me) and how it could affect our counrty's future, and also how this coalition government would work, as far as making small scale and large scale decisions for our country?

Also, from what I'm understanding, if this coalition thing works, wouldn't it make Canada a non-democratic country? Others seem to think otherwise*.

Anyways, I'm just confused about what's going on, I just inputed a bunch of information on this in a very short amount of time so maybe that's why. Any answers to my questions or any clarifications on this subject would be very helpful.

If there is lack of answers or anything of the sort in this thread, then I guess you guys and gals could just discuss about it.


Thanks much guys and gals.


* http://rundp.blogspot.com/2008/12/coalition-government-explained.html

(there's a question right before the last pie chart that talks about this, and I don't quite get what he's trying to say, could someone explain it in non-political, non-fancy-schmansy words please?)


From what I know, it will be something like this : there will be at least 5-6 ministers per party and when decisions have to be made, each party will have to vote.

Well that's what I heard from my economy teacher.

And it won't make the country less democratic or h/e it's spelled, but maybe more.
#5
don't worry. i'm just as confused as you are dude.

but i don't think the green party is joining in.

IN MY PERSONAL opinion, i think these damn politicans should stop wasting taxpayers money and stop flying from toronto to ottawa in a damn private jet and START FIXING WHATS BROKE IN OUR ECONOMY.
People have lost jobs. Make and create new positions and jobs for these laid off workers to work at.
The Baby-Boomer generation is slowly retiring and dying, to be put harshly, and there's no people there to replace those retiring. Make incentives and bonuses so young people get into these jobs.

And that my friends, is my opinion,
#6
I keep crashing when I edit so I'll type here, it wont be undemocratic as its people we voted in Liberal, and NDP voting on the same side to beat the conservatives.


Edit above: Well since the conservatives have been a part of making the economic crisis I can see wanting them out and someone else in as sort of trying to fix the economy, I see where you're coming from though.
#7
And from I'm hearing, there's a possibility that the Bloc Québécois could use this opportunity to seperate themselves from Canada. Also from what I've just seen on tv this coalition thing would basically become a trust party. The parties would have to trust each other so that they influence votes and be able to cut each other some deals later on when the time comes. Kind of like when you trade stuff or give free passes to people when you play Monopoly (the board game) and expect the other person to repay you that ''favor'' that you gave them in the past. If that would be part of it, doesn't it sound kind of sketchy?
#8
As for the country not being democratic anymore, i think he said it because We didnt vote the liberals,ndp, or bloc into power therefore it wasnt the peoples decision on who leads the country, which meens it isnt a democratic decision.

As for your other questions, i dont know.
#9
what will happen is the house will hold a vote of confidence in which the coalition will say they no longer support the current gov't. then harper will go to the govenor general and ask for either another election or ask if the coalition would like to take power. the govenor general will then choose one, most likely the coalition because the election cost 300 million and we cant afford that with the economic crisis. if that happens then stephane dion, the guy who wasnt good enough to run the liberals at election time, will become prime minister and the coalition gov't will be in power. thats the straight unbiased truth
#10
i think its gonna come unravelled...wheres michael ignateuf? parties werent consulted about it, and mike duffy seems to have connections to many liberals who have stated they want no part of it....and we all know the liberals and socialists are pissed cuz they lost a lot of their funding.....which, harper kind of pulled fast one with that. not that its not a good move, i support it.
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#11
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As for the country not being democratic anymore, i think he said it because We didnt vote the liberals,ndp, or bloc into power therefore it wasnt the peoples decision on who leads the country, which meens it isnt a democratic decision.

As for your other questions, i dont know.



Well we did vote the NDP Liberals and bloc in, or else they wouldn't have any seats, they just didn't win majority.

Also you can say the conservatives winning a regular election as undemocratic, most of canada thnks more left so they vote left (Liberal,NDP,Bloc,Green) while a smaller portion vote right(conservative) the majority vote is split four ways so the minority wins the most seats. So basicly minority rules, not very democratic.
Last edited by stevve at Dec 3, 2008,
#12
Quote by justin_brodie
what will happen is the house will hold a vote of confidence in which the coalition will say they no longer support the current gov't. then harper will go to the govenor general and ask for either another election or ask if the coalition would like to take power. the govenor general will then choose one, most likely the coalition because the election cost 300 million and we cant afford that with the economic crisis. if that happens then stephane dion, the guy who wasnt good enough to run the liberals at election time, will become prime minister and the coalition gov't will be in power. thats the straight unbiased truth


But then I thought it was like a team effort party, and had no particular leader, so why would Stephane Dion be Prime Minister, when this type of government shouldn't have a particular person as a leader?
#13
Quote by metalblaster
But then I thought it was like a team effort party, and had no particular leader, so why would Stephane Dion be Prime Minister, when this type of government shouldn't have a particular person as a leader?



think it's because of the smaller party's the liberals have the most seats.
#14
Quote by stevve
Well we did vote the NDP Liberals and bloc in, or else they wouldn't have any seats, they just didn't win majority.

Also you can say the conservatives winning a regular election as undemocratic, most of canada thnks more left so they vote left (Liberal,NDP,Bloc,Green) while a smaller portion vote right(conservative) the majority vote is split four ways so the minority wins the most seats. So basicly minority rules, not very democratic.

I was just explaining the guy who said its' logic, not my own He asked why the guy on that website said it so thats what i answered. I dont like our voting system either, tbh.
#15
Quote by Tubyboulin
I was just explaining the guy who said its' logic, not my own He asked why the guy on that website said it so thats what i answered. I dont like our voting system either, tbh.



Ohhh. ya, still better then the American's system.
#16
USE THE SEARCHBAR.

There's already one of these.

EDIT: And apparently you posted in it...20 minutes after making this one.

What I posted in the other thread:
I can't believe this bull****. And the BQ is going to back these idiots? What a bunch of spineless douchebags. Coalition governments are antithetical to the concept of democracy.

THIS is why Canada is a joke to the rest of the world.
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#17
I'm just starting to get real hopeless in out government, like really, I think we're totally screwed. We need a brand new government.
#18
Here is how it would work: the conservatives have 140 some seats in the house and the liberals,ndp and bloc are pooling their seats together and they would have 163 odd seats. That means the "hybrid" party would have more seats than the conservatives so they would have the power to rule. So that means the party with the second most votes would be Prime Minister (Stephen Dion) until the next "proper" election.