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Some of the guys here know I've been working on this for years. And though progress has slowed drastically due to no longer having hook ups at sam ash I still am working on this (and always will be). I'm glad to answer any questions. Also I have missed various pickups either do to lapse of memory to add them or simple laziness. I can also give you quite a bit of decent information on most stock Ibanez pickups.

Thanks to some guys who helped put this together. Dave Mc in particular.
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Humbuckers:

Seymour Duncan:

SH-1 59: Bit harder sounding than a PAF. Has kind of a vintage sound is good for blues, classic rock, and hard rock. Most common in neck position but is found in the bridge also. Decent cleans but has better od then the jazz- versatile.
Pros: Versatile.
Cons: Jack of all trades.
Hint: great for neck position use with high output bridge humbucker- has good cleans but takes nicely to overdrive too.

SH-2 Jazz: Low output. Very clean sounding. Mainly used in the neck but I have seen it used in the bridge once or twice. Very commonly paired with SH-4 JBs, SH-6 distortions, and SH-5 Customs. Poor overdrive IMO but some like it.
Pros: good cleans.
Cons: poor overdrive for anything heavier than blues.
Hint: good in neck position if you only need good cleans.

SH-4 JB (Jeff Beck Signature): One of the most popular pickups. It has relatively high output. It’s great for heavy blues to grunge to metal. Very trebly. Better cleans than most high out put pickups.
Pros: Good hard rock/thrash tones, better cleans than you’d expect.
Cons: Hard to predict which wood it’ll work well in- although it’s very trebly, I’ve liked it in (some) alder guitars more than mahogany guitars. Can sound thin sometimes too.
Hint: Great choice on guitar with one humbucker. (fat strats, G&L Rampage, and such) Decent cleans with good Overdrive. Only down sound is it’s a bit eqed but set up properly its not much a problem

SH-5 Custom: Sounds like a beefed up PAF. It’s great for hard rock and I recommend it as a vintage-ish sounding metal pickup. Very commonly paired with a SH-1 in the neck. Pretty crappy cleans and can get a bit muddy is the down side.
Pros: Like the sound of your Gibson but need more gain
Cons: Pretty lousy cleans. Can get muddy if not eqed pretty perfectly.
Hint: Not very versatile but good for a beefed up classic tone.

SH-6 Distortion: It has high output, Good for metal, punk, and hard rock. Very commonly used with a SH-2 in the neck for versatility. Does not have great cleans. It also can get very muddy.
Pros: gives the amp a good kick for distortion. Works well in darker-voiced woods.
Cons: Very trebly but can get muddy too if you aren’t careful.
Hint: Avoid in alder guitars (especially with maple necks)- will be extremely bright! However some disagree.

SH-8 Invader: Like a SH-6 on steroids. Made for metal but can be used for Hard Rock, Punk, and other Aggressive styles. Usually only used for the bridge but can be used for neck. Terrible cleans in my opinion. It can be very muddy too. However I have been told it is good for beefing up the sound of a hollow body. But I don't really know why you would buy a hollow body to beef it up. But if you already have one, 70 dollars on a pickup is better than a few hundred on a guitar.
Pros: Lots of gain, and can be used to fatten out a thin or bright-sounding guitar.
cons: Extremely muddy with darker amp or guitar
hint: use it to beef up a really thin sounding guitar or amp

SH-10 Full Shred: Good for metal, hard rock, classic rock, and, well, shred. In-between a SH-5 and a SH-6 in the output but has a lot of presence. Great harmonics best on a Seymour Duncan pickup imo!!!
Pros: Great for classic rock, hard rock, or metal. I've liked it in both mahogany and alder guitars
Cons: Not great cleans but not too bad either
Hint: Really nice in the bridge position. Brings out good playing but devastating to poor.

SH-11 Custom Custom: Bright sounding, not as bright as JB though. It’s like a SH-5 except with alnico II magnets. Good for classic rock and blues. Can get a bit muddy with a high gain amp.
Pros: “Nice” bright, rather than piercing. Mature, expressive tone.
Con: gets a bit muddy with high gain, partly because of alnico II magnets. But with a high gain amp that is natrually very tight sounding its not muddy.
Hint: As it’s bright, works well in Mahogany guitars. great solution for more gain in your classic rock voiced guitar

SH-12 Screaming Demon: Moderate output. A lot like a PAF, but more in a rock vein. Good for classic rock and hard rock. Very nice harmonics.
Pros: not super hot, so quite versatile (or at least, more than you’d think).
Cons: You’re paying extra for the Lynch name.
Hint: great for an old-school superstrat tone.

SH-13 Dimebucker: It has seriously high output. I only recommend for metal. And is seriously trebly too, but can get muddy too.
Pros: I’m thinking hard here… High output?
Con: can be too trebly yet muddy at the same time. Seriously not recommended.
Hint: Avoid.

SH-14 Custom 5: Like custom custom except with alnico V magnet It’s great for blues, classic rock, and Hard rock.
Has a good deal of bottom end.
Pros: Better tone than the custom and better for high gain than the custom custom.
Cons: Doesn’t achieve the extremes the other customs do.
Hint: If your considering the custom custom and have a high gain amp I'd go for this instead

SH-55 Seth Lover: Well its pretty much a modern PAF. It was designed with the humbucker inventor Seth lover. Great for blues, country, and Classic Rock. However with gain it gets very muddy. It also feed backs like a mofo as it’s unpotted.
Pros: Gives that awesome classic rock tone
Cons: not meant to be used with any higher gained amp, or any high wattages either. A 50 watt plexi reissue is pushing it in both terms.
Hint: If your play primarily cleans and need a warm tone It's a pretty great sounding pickup. However if you're using any large amounts of gain or volume I'd avoid.

SH-PG1 Pearly Gates: Warm slightly hotter than normal vintage humbucker. It’s great for blues, country, classic rock, and hard rock. My favorite pickup of SD. I like it in the neck position.
Pros: Great for classic rock or a neck pickup paired with something higher gained
Cons: muddy with high gain. Not the greatest cleans but good cleans.
Hint: Neck position paired with a high gain pickup in the bridge. Or both if going for a classic rock tone. Much cheaper that say a Gibson pickup Great vintage soloing tone. Suprising amount of dynamics for a low gain pickup.

APH-1 Alnico II pro: Warm vintage sounding humbucker. It’s great for jazz, blues, hard rock, and classic rock.
Pros: very warm tone, great for jazz and similar stuff.
Cons: needs to be paired with a warm-sounding bridge humbucker (if fitted in the neck position) as you’ll struggle to EQ both pickups properly if you don’t.
Hint: Don’t pair with bright bridge pickup.
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DiMarzio: Overall DiMarzios have a lot of presence. Usually bring out every note which is great for more experienced players. But for beginners who have started making bands it will cause for a lot of awkward silences from the crowd.

Air Classic: Vintage sounding. It’s relatively bassy. It’s great for blues, classic rock, and hard rock.
Pros: nice cleans and nice overdrive. More warm than bright.
Cons: Muddy with high gain. Not the best cleans either.
Hint: similar to Duncan 59 but warmer compared to brighter

Bluesbucker:
Higher output vintage pickup. It has more treble than the average vintage pickup. This pickup when split gives awesome Jimmy Page tone. It’s great for blues, classic rock and hard rock. Pretty obviously Dimarzios wanna be burstbucker.
Pros: Nice cleans and great slight OD.
Cons: Muddy with too much gain
Hint: brighter sounding vintage pickup. Good for a mahogany guitar

PAF/PAF Classic: Built to sound like the old PAFs of the 50s but its considerably brighter. It’s great for classic rock, blues, county, and hard rock. Can get a bit muddy. I much prefer PAF pros.
Pros: great cleans and good light od
Cons: muddy with too much overdrive
Hint: Some use it in the neck paired with a paf pro in bridge.

PAF Pro Another one of DiMarzios most popular pickups. Been used by nearly every shredder out there. Not a lot of gain but still upholds a lot of presence.
Pros: Extremely Versatile, Great tone, Great Clarity
Cons: Not the most forgiving of pickups
Hint: It's a great pickup. Solid for leads. May not have as much gain as some of the more metal guys would like so may be best in the neck paired with something hotter in the bridge.

Air Norton: one of DiMarzios most popular pickups. A good vintage sound with a little more kick. Great midrange. Good for almost anything.
Pros: versatile.
Cons: can get muddy.
Hint: Brighter woods suit it better- such as alder.

PAF Joe: Made for Joe Satriani. He wanted a mix of a PAF and an old 50s Gibson humbucker. It has a great balance in tone. It’s great for classic rock, hard rock, blues, and more.
Pros: warmer than dimarzio PAFs.
Cons: Not the greatest cleans and gets muddy with gain
Hint: use with brighter guitar and lower gained amp.

Fred: Also used by Satriani. It has great harmonics. It has a much more balanced tone than most of Dimarzios pickups. It’s great for shred, metal, hard rock, and even blues.
Pros: vocal tone. Sounds like Joe.
Cons: not too versatile.
Hint: It has very vocal tone. It's really great for soloing but i would not recommend it if you play a lot of rthym or are in a band with a singer.

Mo’ Joe: A hotter, more intense Fred. It’s great for shred, metal, and hard rock.
Pros: slightly more versatile when it comes to hard tones. Less vocal.
Cons: still a bit muddy. Not as vocal as fred (yes not as vocal is both a con and pro)
Hint: like satch but want to be heavier. Heres the answer Better rthym tone as well.

Evolution: Designed for Steve Vai. It has pretty high output and a tone of presence. Every note really jumps out. There is a slight lack of low end when played clean. It’s great for Shred, Metal, and Hard Rock.
Pros: very good for shred. Suprisingly good cleans. Great soloing tone for both bridge and neck pickups.
Cons: Not for beginners.
Hint: Only for experienced players. with the right amp and in the right guitar it will make the tone you want. Effects your tone more than you average pickup swap.

Evo 2: Just like the evolution with a little less power.
Pros: Better cleans than evo. More bass.
Cons: Doesn't bring out playing like an Evolution
Hint: Good for someone with a very bright amp compared to evolution.

Breed: Also designed for Vai. Basically a Evo and PAF pro mixed together. It has awesome harmonics and output with a more vintage tone.
Pros: much more versatile than Evos.
Cons: perhaps not hot enough for the crazy metal stuff. Not as good with dark amplifiers.
Hint: don't get for the super high gain (modern metal) but definitely hot enough for less gainy metal. Do not use with a dark amp. Better in brighter tonewoods.

X2N: Very High output. It’s good for metal and Shred. Pretty lousy palm mutes however. Very Muddy and really bad cleans. Personally I hate this pickup.
Pros: eh
Cons: Too much gain. Sounds like poop
Hint: Avoid

Super Distortion: Often compared to Seymour Duncan’s Distortion in tone. Great distorted tone but not too great of cleans. Nicer harmonics than the SD distortion. It’s great for Hard Rock and ballsier classic rock.
Pros: better than SD distortion
Cons: Still not great cleans and its quite bright
Hint: Brings out thin sounding guitars nicely. Really nice sounding pickup.

Tone Zone: Very versatile. It’s often compared to Seymour Duncan’s Jb. Good from harder blues to Metal. Much deeper tone than JB, though.
Pros: Good solo tone, reasonably versatile.
Cons: Prone to muddiness.
Hint: Avoid in darker sounding woods, like mahogany. I would also not suggest one with a dark amp.

Dactivator: It was meant to be an emg with passive perks. It turned out to be a metal machine but certainly isn't that comparable to an emg. More of a very high gain passive.
Pros: A great pickup for rthym playing. A tight lowend.
Cons: Can be a little sharp, piss poor cleans
Hint: It's great if you just want something for great rthym tones and decent lead tones. It's definitely Dimarzios best pickup for ultra low tuned stuff. (much tighter than other models)

EMG: These sound great for modern metal, and like all pickups, sound best through a quality (more often than not) tube amp. Not terribly versatile (apart from the single coils).

81: Great for Metal and that’s about it. Pushes a tube amp way more than your average pickup.
Pros: Extreme amount of output. Good harmonics.
Cons: Prone to thin-ness.
Hint: Sounds best in mahogany.

85: Has more output than the 81 but is bit more versatile. Has a very chunky sound. It’s great for metal/harder rock.
Pros: more versatile than 81, doesn’t sound thin.
Cons: Still not very versatile compared to a good passive pickup.
Hint: works well in alder.

89: Has coil-splitting possibilities. Therefore is one of the most versatile pickups EMG makes. It’s more similar to the 85 than the 81.
Pros: Want to coil split here's your answer
Cons: same as all emgs. It's still is a bit sterile.
Hint: Good answer for someone who likes the sound of emgs but plays a lot of styles. Perfect for pairing with SAs in my opinion

60: Cleanest sounding of active EMGS. Brightest sounding also. Mainly used in the neck paired with either a 85 or 81 in the bridge. Good for metal and hard rock. Still far from great cleans.
Pros: better cleans than most active pickups far more versatile
Cons: Still not very versatil
Hint: If you need super high gain but want to have a chance at decent cleans here is your answer

This is the most unbiased I could be. Personally I'm not a huge fan. But you can try them at nearly any guitar store. Just look for Jackson or Esp guitars. They're not for everyone including me. But you may love them.

SA series is quite nice.
pro: much better clean tone than emg humbuckers
con: quite bright. Not to be paired with an 85.
Hint: Really awesome with an 89. has a less sterile sound than emg humbuckers
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Gibson: These are quite good for stock pickups, but to be honest, unless you’ve tried them (and compared them to other branded pickups) and like them, I wouldn’t really consider them for an upgrade- especially in the UK/Europe where they’re hideously expensive.

57 Classics: Nice Blend of mids, highs, and lows. It’s great for classic rock, blues, hard rock, and more. I much prefer burstbuckers however.
Pros:
Cons:expensive
Hint:

Angus Young: Much like a 57 classic but hotter.
Pros:
Cons:expensive
Hint:

Burstbucker: Used in mainly les Pauls. Classic sound. It has relatively high mids and bass. It’s great for classic rock, hard rock, blues, and more. My favorite Gibson pickup.
Pros: Sound good clean and distorted.
Cons: Expensive, especially in UK.
Hint: If you want a Gibson tone then it may be worth it. But a Pearly Gates would do more than suffice

Tony Iommi: High output. It’s great for metal and hard rock. Not the greatest of cleans however. Mainly used in the bridge with a 57 classic or 490r in neck. A little trebly.
Pros: comes in epi Iommi sig. Best pickups available in a epiphone solid body guitar
Cons: trebly. Bad cleans
Hint: I wouldn't buy it except if I were looking at sgs and on a budget. Where I would buy the epiphone Iommi.

Dirty fingers: High output. Not too great of cleans but ok distorted. Comparable to the X2N and invader. In my opinion way too muddy and way too sterile.
Pros:
Cons: Horrendously bad
Hint: Avoid

496R Hot Ceramic/500T Super Ceramic: Used mainly in explorers and Vs. Has mediocre cleans but good distortion. Good for hard rock and metal. I still prefer burstbuckers.
Pros: very hot.
Cons: crap tone.
Hint: replace as soon as possible.

490R/490T: Standard in many Gibson guitars. It has decent cleans and good distortion. It’s great for blues, hard rock, soft rock, metal, and more. It’s very versatile. But I much prefer burst buckers.
Pros: better than the 496R
Cons: still bad
Hint: replace

498T Hot alnico: Like the above but a little hotter. I prefer it over the standard 490T.
Pros: Doesn't need to be replaced like other gibsons do
Cons: Not a bad pickup but not great either
Hint: don't buy other than stock

Guitarhead Pickups:

Megametal: Somewhat similar to an X2n but not as over the top. Very good tapped tones as well. A fairly bright pickup
pros: Great price, high but manageable gain, good harmonics
cons: Neck pickup is a little too hot and over powering.
that's my 2 pennies.
Hints: Cheap pickups that really rock for the price. Great for a variety of styles. Better suited for warmer woods.
Thanks to metalmike for this one


Swineshead pickups

Venom:
Very high out put pickup but has great tone. It even manages pretty good cleans. Similar to an evolution but a little more rounded out. Neck pickups sings and bridge brings good amount of gain.
pros: Versatile for high gain. Really good tone.
cons: A little bright and cleans aren't the greatest.
hint: Very good pickups, Especially if you do a lot of lead parts

Warthog:
Similar to venom but with less gain and and alnico V compared to ceramic.
Pros: More versatile than venom. Better cleans.
Cons: Could use a bit more gain in bridge.
hint: Can be used for anything with the right amp. But could use a bit more gain in the bridge. A warthog neck and Venom bridge make a fantastic pair.

I have heard great things about other swinesheads. But haven't used them personally. My friend has yet to send me his opionions on them.

Bareknuckles.

Miracle man:
Really good gain on passive. However has a lot more clarity than an emg would have. And has better cleans and lighter od as well.
pros: Great for achieving a fairly high level of clarity with lots of overdrive. With the right amp is rather versatile.
cons: Not fantastic cleans. A little harsh when improperly eqed.
Hint: really fantastic stuff.


Nailbomb:
Awesome pickup my favorite of this brand (actually all pickups) Extremely versatile. The only thing it doesn't do extremely well is jazz. But properly eqed it does it well enough. Amazing clarity and feel.
pros: insane clarity, extremely versatile, great soloing tone
cons: not the best for jazz
Hint: If you spend more time with high gain I'd suggest this

Coldsweat:
Another awesome pickup from BKP. Again extremely versatile. Less gain than the nailbomb. Does jazz better than the nailbomb. Not quite as good of a soloing tone in my opinion. Retains insane clarity
Pros: great clarity extremely versatilte, better at jazz
cons: not quite as good as nailbomb in high gain and soloing arena. But still very very recommended.
Hint: get over nailbomb if your play a lot of jazz. Due to Ceramic magnet opposed to Alnico V (bridge pickup only) it's a little better suited for a very dense piece of mahogany.

Stormy Mondays:
This pickup is far more geared towards low gain use. Insane jazz tone. Does blues and classic rock tones quite amazing as well. Perfect for your jazz box or Lespaul.
Pros: Amazing cleans, great for jazz and blues.
cons: Gets alittle muddy for gain. Then again if you bought this pickup for hard rock you deserve it.
Hint: Use for low gain applications.

Again this is another case where I haven't been able to try or get solid info on most of thier models. But they really are fantastic from what I hear. (Just not enough info on inivisual models to sort out Bias and such)
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Very nice...

EDIT: where would you classify basswood though? It's quite balanced I think...
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Quote by aznrockerdude
Very nice...

EDIT: where would you classify basswood though? It's quite balanced I think...


Basswood is the most balanced of any tone wood I have heard or used. It's great for retaining the same volume all around the fretboard. It's also the tonewood best used if you want to primarily shape your tone via pickups, effects, etc. It's even nature is exactly why many people dislike it so much. It's not my favorite tonewood (walnut is) but it's a great one if you want a very balanced sound.
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you're missing the PAF Pro up there?
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Quote by Ibanez20th
Basswood is the most balanced of any tone wood I have heard or used. It's great for retaining the same volume all around the fretboard. It's also the tonewood best used if you want to primarily shape your tone via pickups, effects, etc. It's even nature is exactly why many people dislike it so much. It's not my favorite tonewood (walnut is) but it's a great one if you want a very balanced sound.

Have you tried a Full Shred in basswood? The only guitar I know that has that pickup is that RG Prestige with one pickup...
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you're missing the PAF Pro up there?

Then why don't you make a better thread? He didn't say anything about the D-Sonic either, but I'm guessing he has never tried it, and chooses not to recommend pickups out of hearsay.
Just my two cents.
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What do you think about the old ibanez super 70's? the "gibson lawsuit" pickup?? i have 2...
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To Jester shred: They aren't really anything like Gibsons really. They have a similar sound but have more clarity and smoother mids. They in my opinion are probably the best pickups Ibanez has ever put on a guitar. They don't have the typically too much low mids and bass like the normal Ibanez models. They also actually have clarity (largely due to the better eqing) Though the ladyfinger pickups may have them beat (but the ladyfingers are long discontinued)

Like I said in my earlier post I have missed somethings I've tried and even. Paf pro is one of them I even had one installed on one of my own personal guitars quite some time ago. Simply forgot to add it. I'll add it later tonight.

Yes I have tried the full shred in basswood. In fact have used it In Mahogany with maple cap (Les Paul), an alder strat, as well as the Ibanez 2610 model. (I believe it's 2610 but I know it's got the **10 pickup code and the 2*** prestige level. Simply can't remember the 2nd digit). It's like I said has a good amount of out put and a lot of presence. It is probably my favorite Duncan Pickup anymore. (though the Pearly Gates still kicks major ass) It's got a very versatile tonal spectrum and fantastic harmonics. I highly recommend it. It doesn't have the greatest cleans but they are certainly usable. Similar to a JB (not bad but better than you'd expect)
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I like the smoother mids... that makes sense, thanks so much man...
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cheers for the shout-out, tom.

I'd disagree that the warthog has great cleans, though, i think (based on what i've heard about the venom) that it's a lot thicker and warmer sounding than the venom. i think the warthog sounds quite thick, to be honest.

also, i wouldn't say that the miracle man is that versatile, it's very 80s-sounding, and has a bit too much of a hard edge, and tightness, for the classic rock stuff.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
cheers for the shout-out, tom.

I'd disagree that the warthog has great cleans, though, i think (based on what i've heard about the venom) that it's a lot thicker and warmer sounding than the venom. i think the warthog sounds quite thick, to be honest.

also, i wouldn't say that the miracle man is that versatile, it's very 80s-sounding, and has a bit too much of a hard edge, and tightness, for the classic rock stuff.


Well you have a lot more experience with both those pickups (I've only used them for short periods of times 15-20 minutes max) So there shall be an edit
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i should add that the MM does clean up quite nicely with the guitar's volume control... but i'd still prefer to have a lower gain/alnico pickup on full blast.

I haven't actually used my warthog in ages, i need to wire it in again. so that's going on memory too.


EDIT: i think one of the problem about pickup threads is that there are so many models and so many manufacturers... i mean, duncan may have 40-50 models, not too many amp manufacturers have that...
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Well Dave if you need to solder something it should be wired in say 1-2 years.

Did you ever get that gotoh installed on your 470.

edit: Aye understand how many models there are. I mean this thread has been worked on since probably around '05. But It's still a pretty good tool. I add to it as much as possible but relize that I'll never get it done. But atleast it's a fairly soid amount of information (as well like the amp thread it'll never be a definitive source to prevent new threads but atleast it's something everyone can look at.) Atleast there are way less pickup manufacturers than amp makers.
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^ oh yeah, i mean you have the main ones up there (sd etc.), so it's not going to hurt. maybe you could even pm xifr or someone like that to get it added to one of the existing stickies...

the gotoh's not in yet, no...

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Quote by aznrockerdude

Then why don't you make a better thread? He didn't say anything about the D-Sonic either, but I'm guessing he has never tried it, and chooses not to recommend pickups out of hearsay.
Just my two cents.


Didn't say i could make a better thread. Why the attack? i simply stated that a pick-up was missing. Its obvious that he had tried it as he referred to the PAf Pro many times in the posts.

Anyway, it's a great thread and deserves to be kept alive, well done
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Dimarzio D-Sonic
Pros: Great distorted tone and cleans up really nice.
Cons: Unique midrange that some will find to be too much
Hint: Better from clean pickers, mistakes are not left unnoticed.

Dimarzio Humbucker From Hell
Pros: Super clean pickup. Great distorted lead lines.
Cons: can get a little muddy when playing heavily distorted power chords.
Hint: If you want a very strat like sound out of literally any guitar this neck pickup is probably for you.
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Honestly I don't know you well enough to take your reviews. Only a few select people that I know well get up there. Also I disagree with your humbucker from hell review (but then again I heard one thru a carvin ss amp.) Which have extremely flat and warm tones. But either way it certainly didn't sound like a strat.
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#22
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Honestly I don't know you well enough to take your reviews. Only a few select people that I know well get up there. Also I disagree with your humbucker from hell review (but then again I heard one thru a carvin ss amp.) Which have extremely flat and warm tones. But either way it certainly didn't sound like a strat.


its cool man. I know my stuff about pups though. the hfh is extremely different on tube and ss amps. So that may be the discrepancy.
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#23
Can i ask about ibanez INF pickups?
I know theyre not the best but for stock pickups they actually seem quite good to me. How do they compare to dimarzio and duncan-type equivalents?
Also, can they be modded or something to coil split for single-coil tones?
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#24
If you have any info on prs pups, could you add them as well, or add it to a list of things to try out?
Dave_Mc
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#26
Quote by Robino_Ibanez
Can i ask about ibanez INF pickups?
I know theyre not the best but for stock pickups they actually seem quite good to me. How do they compare to dimarzio and duncan-type equivalents?
Also, can they be modded or something to coil split for single-coil tones?


they aren't great, most duncans or dimarzios would be a pretty big step up. i'm not sure if the infs are 4-conductor, either... you could take off the back plate which covers your electronics and see how many wires there are...
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bartdevil_metal
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#27
My brother's guitar has a coil split on both his pickups, and they're INF so I would assume theyare four conductor. The problem with them is that the bridge pickup is icepick treble, and the neck pickup is lost in a sea of mud. You have to use the split on the neck to get a useable tone. You can compensate the overload of treble from the bridge with the EQ on the amp, but it's obviously not the best tone ever.
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Ibanez20th
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#28
I've never seen an Ibanez without four conducter wiring to be honest. As rather than use two conductor they usually solder the two wires to a seperate wire and attach that wire to somewhere. Of course I've only done electronics jobs on maybe 9 or 10 Ibanez guitars. So that is a rather small proportion of them (and 5 of them were RGs too)

Inf pickups are far from spectacular. Honestly they are some of he worst pickups to be put on an Ibanez. They are rather muddy and rather sterile. They are probably the first things you should replace on a lowend Ibby (even before the Trem)

The problem with Prs pickups is I've never played them out of a PRS guitar. Prs guitars have a flavor of thier own even without having pickups in them. Also since I honestly don't have a very wide knowledge of the different models and which pickup model is in what guitar it's hard for me to get an accurate description. Besides I refuse to play PRS guitars at sam ash. If I see another 3000 dollar guitar with belt rash or pick scrape from some prick who has no right to play a guitar of that worth (If you can't play someone else's guitar without ****ing it up you shouldn't play thier guitar or any guitar for that matter. You should like play a game of copycat with my avatar) I'm going to murder everyone in that store.

Also the next time I see a made in Mexico Fender on the back wall behind the counter and a MIA Jackson on the store floor literally leaning against the counter I'm again going to likely end up again getting thrown out of Sam Ash and not be allowed to return until that manager gets fired.

Anyways after that long winded rant PRS pups will not likely be added soon atleast not by me. I do know a guy who I could probably ping for some reviews but he's rather busy right now and so am I.
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#29
Quote by Midnight Murk
You need to specify what Burstbucker you are referring to. It could be a Burstbucker Pro, Burstbucker 1, Burstbucker 2, or Burstbucker 3. I consider the Pros to be inferior to the other three, but that's my opinion.


Aye pretty much ****ed on that one. I wrote that bit over 3 years ago mate. No Idea.
AdamDK
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#30
This thread should be stickied. The sheer effort you've put into it is unbelievable Tom. (I think you're Tom... right?
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#31
Aye it is tom. Yes this thread has taken a lot of effort. That's part of the reason it's not updated near as much as it used to be.
A) I can no longer do free pickup tests (used to do it with a friend at sam ash we'd use about an inch of wire on any pickup we liked and then cut off any sign that the pickup has been used then sam ash would sell it as new (since it still had more than enough wire for any guitar and had no signs of wear)
B) I don't have near the time I used to work on something this massive. Honestly I could still probably get quite a bit done even without the hookups at samash. Especially when It comes to my wishes to eventually begin including stock pickups (primarily so one can better compare what the want from what they have). Also my single coil list is very short compared to what It should be. But I don't have the time to spend hours at guitar stores currently. I'm hoping after all of my college auditions I'll be able to get more done. As well as finish my Ibanez guide
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#32
the other problem with pickups is that they tend to sound quite different in different guitars... that's one reason (other than laziness, and just the sheer number of pickups available!) that i more or less gave up on the idea...

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#33
i have a quick question. i need a new bridge pickup for my black Syn standard with is getting beat up (on its own) so its more personalized to me

I need a new bridge pickup that has a DARKER metal tone (Peavey XXX is brighter) yet maintaining some versatility. The DD HB-108 isn't cutting it.

I wanted a crisp yet dark gritty tone to pair with the mahogany body and XXX

I take it i need Fspaced, right?

and i want a chrome cover on it also. but i can also buy one separate and install it

edit: i really want a Gibson 500t but it isn't Fspaced so it wont fit right??
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#34
Quote by bjovi400
i have a quick question. i need a new bridge pickup for my black Syn standard with is getting beat up (on its own) so its more personalized to me

I need a new bridge pickup that has a DARKER metal tone (Peavey XXX is brighter) yet maintaining some versatility. The DD HB-108 isn't cutting it.

I wanted a crisp yet dark gritty tone to pair with the mahogany body and XXX

I take it i need Fspaced, right?

and i want a chrome cover on it also. but i can also buy one separate and install it

edit: i really want a Gibson 500t but it isn't Fspaced so it wont fit right??

What is F-spacing?
All of our full-size humbuckers except the X2N® are available in two polepiece spacings. F-spacing refers to the wider of the two spacings. For proper string alignment and balanced output, F-spaced humbuckers should be used in the bridge position on all guitars with string spacing at the bridge of 2.1" (53 mm) or greater. On these guitars, if the nut width is 1-11/16” (43 mm) or greater, F-spaced pickups can be used in the neck position as well.
Why are there two different spacings?
A long time ago (in the 20th century, actually) the electric guitar world was divided between Gibson and Fender designs. One of the differences between the two was string spacing. In general, Gibson chose a narrower string spacing at the bridge than Fender, and therefore the polepieces on Gibson humbuckers were closer together than the magnets on Fender pickups. When guitar shops started installing humbuckers in the bridge position of Strats, it was obvious that the strings didn’t line up with the polepieces, and if the E strings were too far outside, the sound could suffer. Our first humbuckers followed the original Gibson spacing, and we call them standard-spaced. When we released our first humbuckers with wider spacing, Floyd Rose bridges were very popular. Floyd string-spacing is the same as Fender spacing, so we naturally called the new pickups F-spaced.
How do I know which spacing to use?
F-spaced pickups measure 2.01" (51 mm) center-to-center from the first polepiece to the sixth. Standard-spaced pickups measure 1.90" (48 mm). Although some players believe that F-spaced pickups are only for the bridge position of tremolo bridge guitars, many guitars with fixed bridges (including late 1990s Gibson Les Pauls and Epiphone LPs) should have F-spaced pickups in the bridge position. Most tremolo equipped guitars that have a nut width of 1-11/16” (43mm) or more should also use an F-spaced pickup in the neck position. If you’re replacing a bridge-position pickup and you're not sure what your string-spacing is, it's usually better to get an F-spaced model. It is not necessary for the strings to pass exactly over the center of the polepieces for best performance, but it is wise to avoid a situation where the E strings are sitting completely outside of the outer polepieces.
Do some of your humbuckers come only in one spacing?
The X2N® has solid bar polepieces that work in both normal and F-spaced applications. All 7-string humbuckers are available F-spaced only. All Parker Fly replacement pickups are F-spaced only.
Is there F-spacing for single-coils?
All of our single-coil-sized pickups are designed for F-spaced applications.
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#35
ok well, i kinda knew most of that, but that leaves me with one question again, will a 500t fit?
Peavey XXX combo *upgraded screen resistors, Tung-Sol's, and 6L6's*
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#36
Quote by bjovi400
ok well, i kinda knew most of that, but that leaves me with one question again, will a 500t fit?

If you’re replacing a bridge-position pickup and you're not sure what your string-spacing is, it's usually better to get an F-spaced model. It is not necessary for the strings to pass exactly over the center of the polepieces for best performance, but it is wise to avoid a situation where the E strings are sitting completely outside of the outer polepieces.

Probably...
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#37
Quote by bjovi400
ok well, i kinda knew most of that, but that leaves me with one question again, will a 500t fit?



It will definitely fit. Pole pieces like said before don't need to line up perfectly but rather be close. The pickup fitting is more of an issue when it comes to Emgs and other specialized routes.
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#38
Any chances of some single coil reviews? I skimmed; there may be some in there but i'm not sure
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#39
Not many. I really don't use strat type guitars very much. Hell I have only one guitar with a single coil and thats my rg550.

And since unless I do it or a few guys I truly respect do the review I don't add it to my thread.

Of the few singles I have used (I used to own a strat) I've really liked Lace Sensors. Haven't gotten the chance to use some bk singles yet but If they are anything like thier HB pickups they'll slay everything else on the market.
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#40
Sticky please
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