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Youtube have just anounced plans that they are going to do a symphony orchestra here is an article from the L.A. times


"For every bassoonist or violist who's bemoaned his exclusion from that celebrated form of artistic democracy known as "American Idol," the dark days are over. No, Paula Abdul probably will not be waxing befuddled on the finer points of Mozart concertos. But YouTube has announced plans for something possibly even scarier: the YouTube Symphony, the "world's first collaborative online orchestra."

Want to apply? Go to YouTube's symphony channel and download the sheet music for your instrument for the Internet Symphony No. 1 "Eroica," a new work by Chinese composer Tan Dun. Then make a video of yourself playing your part -- and another playing a different composition -- and upload them to YouTube. If you need tutoring, there's a clip of the London Symphony Orchestra performing Tan's piece as well as video master classes from individual players.

Semifinalists will be chosen by judges from some of the world's major orchestras. The final picks will be selected by -- you guessed it -- YouTube viewers. A performance at Carnegie Hall, led by San Francisco Symphony conductor Michael Tilson Thomas, will take place in April.

It's hard to know if the winners of this competition will follow in the tradition of their "American Idol" counterparts and declare their sexual orientation in People magazine or appear on "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew." What's grimly evident, though, is that classical music has been losing its audience for a while now; not only to that dastardly genre known as pop but, not to put too fine a point on it, to Alzheimer's, heart disease and stroke. As this paper reported in October, the average age of classical music concertgoers in 1982, according to the National Endowment for the Arts, was 40. Twenty years later, it was 49.

Granted, the median age of the general population is rising, so we can't surmise that Disney Hall will eventually transform into a nightclub for octogenarians. But that hasn't stopped the classical music community from making a serious effort to appeal to younger people. Here in L.A., of course, 27-year-old Gustavo Dudamel, the face of Venezuela's revered youth orchestra program, will succeed L.A. Philharmonic music director Esa-Pekka Salonen next fall.

No question the YouTube Symphony Orchestra is geared toward the hope that kids can learn to love Brahms just as much as Beyoncé. But is it wise to allow an orchestra to be selected by those accustomed to posting about pet tricks? How, after all, can an audience raised on Auto-Tune vocal enhancement and digital sampling be expected to tell one violinist's pizzicato technique from another's? Won't "American Idol" standards prevail, saddling the YouTube Symphony with musicians who have questionable pitch but really awesome hair?

Presumably the professional judges will weed out the truly terrible in the first round, thereby preventing the YouTubers from doing too much sonic damage (my guess is many of the winners will have good pitch and good hair). But let's be honest: Classical musicians, while certainly not a monolithic group, do have a wee bit of a reputation for snobbishness.

They also operate within a brutally competitive arena. If there's a position open in the L.A. Philharmonic, explained Deborah Borda, L.A. Phil president, an average of 500 musicians will apply and 75 will be invited to audition live. If they like you, you typically sit in with the orchestra for at least a week to make sure everything's copacetic. Given that level of scrutiny, are the pros really going to support a venture that vests so much authority in mouse-clicking masses?

Apparently so. Borda, for her part, said she loved the democratization inherent in the YouTube Symphony concept. "It debunks the myth that you need certain qualifications for appreciating classical music," Borda said. "I'm sure there are some critics who will take a reactionary position, but I'm not one of them. And I've talked to some of our players and they've thought it was a great idea."

Really? But it's YouTube: the official network of forest yodelers and babies slobbering mashed peas down their chins while adults cheer in the background. Can this nitwit free-for-all be trusted to put together an orchestra worthy of Tilson Thomas and a Carnegie Hall gig?

"Music is about artistry and communication," Borda said. "And people know that when they hear it. The question is, 'Does this grab my heart?' "

Well, that's one of the questions. Others, of course, may run along the lines of "Why is that person playing a huge violin between her knees?" and "I thought an oboe was that thing that looked like a bong." But, hey, you have to start somewhere. Meanwhile, if any pea-drooling babies somehow end up in the flute section, let's hope they can at least double on piccolo."


So whats everyones opinion of this? I now thatyoutube is a great way to reach the masses but these masses are full of complete idiots, the symphony orchestra is a bit posh and do you you really think that the upper class have youtube accounts? There probably are better ways of reaching the upper class, maybe the guardian?
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#5
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Do you think they would let me play bass guitar???

as long as you can read sheet music and follow the conductor
#7
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http://uk.youtube.com/symphony

There's the link to the channel. Inb4 Rabid.

Inb4 Xiaoxi.

EDIT: have you guys tried to play anything from there yet?
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Inb4 Xiaoxi.

Nah. I stand no chance in making this audition.

It's a great concept though.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Nah. I stand no chance in making this audition.

It's a great concept though.


You could have a try, at least.

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#12
This idea has actually been done at the PROMS this year, basically. It worked amazingly well too, considering it was the first live attempt. Which makes me wonder how many of the people submitting and coming up with the idea (hmm) are actual classical music fans.

Oh well, it is pretty cool though.
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This idea has actually been done at the PROMS this year, basically. It worked amazingly well too, considering it was the first live attempt. Which makes me wonder how many of the people submitting and coming up with the idea (hmm) are actual classical music fans.

Oh well, it is pretty cool though.



I assume youre talking about the bbc proms and if so the too are incomparable. The bbc proms has been going on for years and many people are fans but youtube is the hiding place of moronic ameriacn philistines who constntly watch videos of people falling over. Do you honestly think those same people will apreciate a symphony orchestra? I thought so
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I assume youre talking about the bbc proms and if so the too are incomparable. The bbc proms has been going on for years and many people are famns but youtube is the hiding place of moronic ameriacn philistines who constntly watch videos of people falling over. Do you honestly think those same people will apreciate a symphony orchestra? I thought so


Well you are right and I do tend to agree with both points. The whole thing is a crock of.. yeah.

I'd love to be proved wrong and blown away by it, but it really has been done before and by some of the best classical players in the world.
#16
Worth a try.

Ultimatedaver- There is no guitar in a symphony orchestra.
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#17
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Guitar isn't a real instrument.

Actually, I'm surprised classical guitar isn't on there.

They have bass guitar (kinda, you just have to know how to read sheet music).

I tried playing the first violin pdf on guitar: it bored me (I know I must be doing something wrong...)

EDIT: a lot of guitarists can't read sheet music either (in my experience)
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#18
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Well you are right and I do tend to agree with both points. The whole thing is a crock of.. yeah.

I'd love to be proved wrong and blown away by it, but it really has been done before and by some of the best classical players in the world.


I too hope that it is a huge succes but anyone whos ever put a video on youtube will know that people write comments that are so idiotic that you get the feeling that they have escpaed from a mental institute and discovered youtube. If there was some way that stupid Americans can be banned from saying stuff like "you suck" and "OMG this is really ****" then it would be brilliant but how can youtube implement a system like that?
#19
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They have bass guitar (you just have to know how to read sheet music).

I tried playing the first violin pdf on guitar: it bored me (I know I must be doing something wrong...)


I looked at that. It appears to be the same note over and over again, with the occasional change in tempo.
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I looked at that. It appears to be the same note over and over again, with the occasional change in tempo.


Welcome to being part of an orchestra.
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#22
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I too hope that it is a huge succes but anyone whos ever put a video on youtube will know that people write comments that are so idiotic that you get the feeling that they have escpaed from a mental institute and discovered youtube. If there was some way that stupid Americans can be banned from saying stuff like "you suck" and "OMG this is really ****" then it would be brilliant but how can youtube implement a system like that?


I completely agree. I have been stunned by some of the **** people write, including 1 or 2 people from here. It's a shame Youtube has to be like that sometimes.
#23
I am going to apply for the position with the stick so when it comes time for the final event I can F%*#( up the entire thing.

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I too hope that it is a huge succes but anyone whos ever put a video on youtube will know that people write comments that are so idiotic that you get the feeling that they have escpaed from a mental institute and discovered youtube. If there was some way that stupid Americans can be banned from saying stuff like "you suck" and "OMG this is really ****" then it would be brilliant but how can youtube implement a system like that?


You do know you can prevent people from posting comments or require approval of them before they are shown right? I don't even post on youtube and I know that much.
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I am going to apply for the position with the stick so when it comes time for the final event I can F%*#( up the entire thing.


I highly doubt you will be able to procure the position of conductor, considering that firstly, it is already taken, and secondly, you call it 'the positon with the stick'.
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I tried playing the first violin pdf on guitar: it bored me (I know I must be doing something wrong...)

Well, it doesn't necessarily mean you're doing something wrong. Sometimes orchestral parts are just boring by nature. Keep in mind that an orchestra is comprised of many different instruments working together. If everyone had "interesting" parts all the time, it would probably clash too much and the music too convoluted.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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You do know you can prevent people from posting comments or require approval of them before they are shown right? I don't even post on youtube and I know that much.


There is something deeply satisfying about denying some twats "comment", sending them a message back that proves them wrong in every way then blocking them. It makes you feel like Stalin or someone.
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Well, it doesn't necessarily mean you're doing something wrong. Sometimes orchestral parts are just boring by nature. Keep in mind that an orchestra is comprised of many different instruments working together. If everyone had "interesting" parts all the time, it would probably clash too much and the music too convoluted.


Can you find the list of pieces for the second performance video?

This is really complicated.
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Can you find the list of pieces for the second performance video?

This is really complicated.

I haven't checked out anything aside from an intro video about it on youtube.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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I haven't checked out anything aside from an intro video about it on youtube.


Oh right. I can't watch that, because my soundcard only allows one source of sound at a time, and I don't want to turn Chris Brown off.

We have to enter a video of us playing our part from the composition, and a video of us playing a piece of our choice, from a 'list of approved pieces on the website.'
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We have to enter a video of us playing our part from the composition, and a video of us playing a piece of our choice, from a 'list of approved pieces on the website.'

Yeah I figured. Standard procedures.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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We have to enter a video of us playing our part from the composition, and a video of us playing a piece of our choice, from a 'list of approved pieces on the website.'


Not sure if you're going for piano or violin, so here's both:

Piano

* List of recommended pieces:
* Schumann: Kinderszenen, Op. 15 Traumerei
* Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 11 in A Major, K. 331, Mvt. III, "Alla Turca" - Allegretto
* Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 In C, Op. 53 "Waldstein" Mvt. 1 Allegro con brio
* Brahms: Intermezzo In A Major, Opus 188, No. 2

Violin

* List of recommended pieces:
* Bach: Solo Sonata No. 1 in G Minor, Mvt. IV Presto
* Paganini: Caprice No. 20 or 24
* Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E Minor: Mvt. I, 2 before #Q (bar 392) to End
* Mozart: Symphony No. 39 in E-flat Major: Mvt. II, bar 1-27 (no repeats)
* Schumann: Symphony No. 2 in C Major: Mvt. II Scherzo, bar 1 – 48 (no repeat)
* Rimsky-Korsakov: Capriccio Espangnol (all solos)
* Tchaikovsky: Suite No. 3 (solo)
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Violin

* List of recommended pieces:
* Bach: Solo Sonata No. 1 in G Minor, Mvt. IV Presto

Hell yes. I work on that every day.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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K I just looked at the Violin I part. It's not bad, just unconventional...

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Violin

* List of recommended pieces:
* Bach: Solo Sonata No. 1 in G Minor, Mvt. IV Presto
* Paganini: Caprice No. 20 or 24
* Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E Minor: Mvt. I, 2 before #Q (bar 392) to End
* Mozart: Symphony No. 39 in E-flat Major: Mvt. II, bar 1-27 (no repeats)
* Schumann: Symphony No. 2 in C Major: Mvt. II Scherzo, bar 1 – 48 (no repeat)
* Rimsky-Korsakov: Capriccio Espangnol (all solos)
* Tchaikovsky: Suite No. 3 (solo)


Thanks.

The website says it's for professional and amateur musicians to get involved in, but those pieces pretty much rule out amateurs. That's some difficult shit.

EDIT: Some of these aren't so bad.
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That's some difficult shit.

EDIT: Some of these aren't so bad.

Not really. It doesn't even go above 3rd position...

edit: sorry I thought you meant the conductor's composition.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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It's times like this I wish I'd carried on with the flute. Best of luck to all entering though.
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